DFGT and G27

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Hello all. I just ordered a Playseat Evo and am thinking about getting rid of my DFGT and getting a g27. The only game I play it GT5. I'm curious, other than than having the clutch and shifter, will I notice a difference between the two? Is the feedback in the wheel any different?

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If you want to drive manual, YES. Totally worth it. If you don't, I don't think it'll be that big an upgrade for you.
 
If you want to drive manual, YES. Totally worth it. If you don't, I don't think it'll be that big an upgrade for you.

Although I haven't gone to MT yet other than experimenting, I do plan to get there. I have had the DFGT for about a
year now and it is just starting to feel cheap to me. Noisy wheel, pedals don't have a lot of feel to them feedback is ok but for some reason I think it could be better. But it was worth the price. In doing my research today I started getting more interested in the Fanatec GT2. Of course it's more expensive and I always do this when I buy stuff start off cheap then keep justifying to myself why I should get the more expensive one. I'll just keep doing research until after Xmas and go from there. I really like those Fanatec clubsport pedals though. Very cool looking. Any advice or weblinks I can follow to help me decide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
 
I had the DFGT for a year but i gave it to my brother. Now i don't have a wheel and i'm like you in the search for a better one.
I am between the GT3 rs, G27 and the GT2(also x360 compatible).The first two are at the same price while the GT2 is way more expensive.
Through reviews on the web i figured that the G27 is a good upgrade to the DFGT on the wheel and the pedals, no doubt. But here comes the clubsport pedals that everyone on the web says is way better that logitech's. Also, i've read somewhwre that the vibration system on G27 is more loud than the fanatec's which is more smooth.
I don't have an opinion of that matter cause i've never used any of them.
Hope someone with feedback can help us here.
 
While I haven't used both I'm now upgrading to a GT2 from a G25. I think everyone that has experienced both agrees the Club Sport Pedals are by far the best. So, I think you need to decide if you want 360 compatibility? If you do the GT2 is your only choice(well they put 200 more Turbo S wheels up for sale on Tuesday not sure if any are left). If you don't want to play on your 360 then you could go to the GT3 as it is the same wheel without Xbox support.

Also remember you can alway get the GT2 and regular pedals for $300 and upgrade to the ClubSports later.
 
I bought a DFGT in late December last year, and used it for 6 months before I bought a G27. A DFGT is a great way to go for your first wheel. It is relatively durable, considering it feels the same way it does when I bought it, after using it at FF level 10 the entire time. The transition can be a bit tough though. I went from playing Forza 3 on a controller to GT5:P on a wheel, so it may not have been as bad because I was learning to use the wheel at the same time as I was learning the physics GT5:P (and around the same time, the GT Academy time trial). But, once you get the hang of it, the immersion is incredible and in my opinion much more fun. There is no way a controller can compare to a wheel when it comes to having fun in a racing game. Let me just say this: Forza 3 has not been played since the day the DFGT's USB cable was first plugged into my PS3, and I had immense amounts of fun with the Forza series, having played all 3 games. 3 great games, and they still can't keep me away from the awesomeness that is the Gran Turismo series.

However, it got to a point that I wanted even more control, more immersion, and I wanted to do it at a higher skill level. Not only that, I was starting to get annoyed with the DFGT's little downfalls I was annoyed with the DFGT shifting "paddles," which are just little buttons on the reverse of the relatively small diameter wheel wheel. I also got annoyed with the whining noise that the gears make (this used to drive my girlfriend crazy) as it can drown out the sound of the game when you need to keep it at a respectable volume. I was particularly unhappy with the pedals, as they were very cheap feeling, and lack any kind of weight or feedback. I saw the G27 for a decent price on Amazon, and went for it.

The G27 is all the things it sets out to be. The wheel feels great in your hands, the brake pedal actually has some weight, so you can rest your foot on it for left-foot braking. The gear noise is reduced considerably and the wheel turns more smoothly. The first thing my girlfriend said when she saw me using it was "It's QUIET!" The wheel is slightly larger in diameter, but it is a welcome change. While the Force Feedback on the DFGT was never really an issue (I was actually pretty surprised at how strong it was the first time I used it), the FF on the G27 feels even better. In my opinion, this is due both to the smoothness of the gears and having 2 motors as opposed to one. However, neither wheel is too strong, as I've had FF set to 10 for both wheels from the start. The gear shifter adds the level of immersion I was looking for, and I've been trying to learn heel-and-toe braking. I never used the sequential shifter on the DFGT as I felt it was too close to the wheel and I didn't enjoy the feel of it, so I can't comment on the lack of one. I just use the paddles for all cars that are semi-auto/sequential IRL and clutch and H-shifter for all that come manual IRL.

However, having now used it for around 6 months, I am finding faults with it as well. Of course, it is not fully compatible with GT5, and I was fully aware and prepared for that. I knew that it worked with Prologue and the GTAcademy demo, so I had reason to believe that it would at least work with GT5. However, being unable to change button layout is annoying. Using a cars horn is just completely unavailable to me, so I'm missing that part of the game which isn't a big deal in A-spec, but I think would be nice to have online for notifying people of a pass, etc. I do miss that ALL of the buttons of the DFGT were on the face of the wheel, giving it a slightly F1 look. It could also be laid out as you wanted, and had a horn button with a glowing GT5 symbol which I liked more than the Logitech logo. I didn't think I'd miss the RM dial (the red dial, not sure if that's the right name) until it was gone, as the TCS and ASM setting in GT5 are saved either by car or by event, I'm not sure.That means if I forget to turn off TCS and ASM before I start the race, I have to quit the race and completely reload it again before I can change them and race. I've wasted a lot time because I hate driving with them on. I learned from the start with a wheel on Simulation setting, TCS and ASM at 0 and ABS at 1, professional physics, and manual transmission, so there wouldn't be a learning curve later when I wanted to learn to drive with them off.

There are pros and cons to both wheels. I enjoyed both, but the G27 is now my main wheel. I've been trying to sell the DFGT, but the price has been going down here and I wouldn't make all that much. Gonna try to sell it to this guy in Australia from GTP, because even with the added shipping, it will be much cheaper than a new one there and I'd like to provide another avid GT fan the opportunity to learn a wheel. If you have the money, I'd go for the G27 or I'd wait until full details about the Thrustmaster came out (the $500 dollar price point Kaz gave could be the Japanese price, as has been speculated. A G27 is 68,880 yen on Amazon.co.jp, which is over 800 USD, so take that into consideration). If you absolutely can't wait, the G27 and DFGT are both great wheels for the money, and it all comes down to price point and brand reputation. I chose Logitech over Fanatec in the end because Logitech is a bigger company and therefore has better customer support. I've heard some unfortunate things about Fanatec support, and if I ever needed to get it fixed I'd have to ship it to Europe.

I hope this helped, and didn't just end up being a long winded rant.
 
Thanks for the responses. I think I may have researched myself into the fanatec gt2 clubsport. Doesn't sound like there is a big difference between the DFGT and g27 in the feed back of the wheel. The fanatec pedals are just to pretty to pass up and the ability to adjust the feedback in the wheel independently if the software is nice. Plus it has the sequential and h gate shifter. Plus it's german and you know the Germans make good stuff. (lol from a commercial just in case you don't get it) 500 bucks is a little high but i have somehow been able to rationalize it in my head. Lol only a couple hundred more. But I am going to wait for a fee reviews to come out.
 
Apart from the clutch (which is quite hard to use in GT5 & will almost certainly make you drive a bit slower), it's really nice to use the H-shifter. The feel of the wheel & the pedals is MUCH nicer with the G27. If you're going to be sim racing a lot, the G27 is a very worthwhile upgrade from the DFGT.

I don't think you have to ship Fanatec things from the US back to Germany to get repairs. They have a distribution center in California. There are definitely pros & cons Fanatec vs. Logitech. Fanatec offers a greater variety of options for components & the ability to change or upgrade individual components. However, obviously there have been continuing supply issues.
 
Don't you want to wait until the Thrustmaster comes out before you decide? You might end up wanting a better wheel again.

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Don't you want to wait until the Thrustmaster comes out before you decide? You might end up wanting a better wheel again.

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As long as it's not a year before it comes out. Any stats on it and any pics of the pedals? I gotta say those Fanatec pedals are wow. With so much of these peripherals being cheap plastic looking those pedals look rich. I do like the actual wheel on the thrustmaster more than the fanatec. Looks more racy. Porsche wheel looks nice but as if it belongs in a daily driver, which it does.
 
That is what i have decided to do. I really want to see what Thrustmaster has to offer, it could be a great wheel.

Check out the first page of the Thrustmaster thread, it has pics of the pedals. I believe they will have load cell brake, well they better for the price.
 
And apparently it is supported in GT5 (go look at the wheel setups in options it is now an option there).

Maybe it will have the best 'feeling' phyics/force feedback too?
 
While I think the Thrustmaster wheel is going to be real nice, I think it will be hard pressed to outperform the GT2 being a first generation nice wheel for Thrustmaster(at least in a really long time!) Just look at some of the first gen products from a lot of manufacturers there are bound to be some bugs.

The part that sealed the deal for me on the GT2 is the fact that it works on all platforms. Using one wheel for Forza and GT5 is just awesome. Now if your PS3 only it may be worth the wait.
 
I guess you must have a pretty nice "daily driver"! ;)

Actually my daily driver has a wheel that is nicer. It is heated!!! The Porsche wheel in the real Porsche isn't all that fancy but that's the purpose off it. Minimalism.

BTW I just looked up the pedals for the thrustmaster, uggggg. How is that huge thing gonna look hanging on the front of the playseat?
 
I almost ordered a Fanatec, but I hated the mounting setup... the Clubsport Pedals and (someday) Shifter make me want tho. It's also more expensive, at $400 after tax and ship, and since I'd really want the PC/PS3/360 one, over $500!!

The T500 looks awesome, but it's expensive too, and no shifter yet. Not to mention, not out. I think that pedal rig looks awesome tho, but at that price, I'm not buying blind.

G27 is here, now, cost me under $300 taxed and shipped, plus I've always had great performance from my Logitech wheels (this is my fourth) so that's why I chose it. Plus, I love the fact that you can easily swap out the wheel and lose basically no functionality.
 
BTW I just looked up the pedals for the thrustmaster, uggggg. How is that huge thing gonna look hanging on the front of the playseat?

Hey Bryan, if you have a "actual" Playseat the Fanatec components take some inventiveness and modification to mount up in a worthwhile way, especially the pedals (which I love too.)

Hey, that makes me wonder... can you use the Clubsport pedals with the G27 on the PS3? I know you can on the PC, because of the seperate USB connection, but is there a "CSP to G27" adapter or something?
 
Yea I heard the mounting for the Famatec wasn't as good as the logitech. Hopefully once people rec thier GT2 wheel they will post their mounting ideas.

Playseat on then UPS truck as I type this. Can't wait to get home and try it out. Fiancé gonna laugh at me I am sure.
 
Yea I heard the mounting for the Famatec wasn't as good as the logitech. Hopefully once people rec thier GT2 wheel they will post their mounting ideas.

Playseat on then UPS truck as I type this. Can't wait to get home and try it out. Fiancé gonna laugh at me I am sure.
Fanatec wheel clamps sucks so unless you going to hard mount the wheel clearly go with a Logitech wheel. I hate how Fanatec shifter connects to the wheel as well. I think g27 shifter is over all better than Fanatecs yet they are suppose to come out with CS shifter in the future. If you going to hard mount then the only difference is most wheel plates has holes cut out for Logitech wheel while for Fanatec you have to drill them out.
 
Playseat on then UPS truck as I type this. Can't wait to get home and try it out. Fiancé gonna laugh at me I am sure.

Lol been there done that...but it was the catalyst to wife thinking my man cave was a great idea:)

BTW you won't have any problem with your mount on the playseat for the GT2. Just use the drilling template drill your 4 holes and hard mount. It'll be solid as a rock.

And they've already said the the new Club Sport shifter will be able to hard mount from the bottom:)
 
Thanks. I think hard mount is the way to go anywyas. My logitech DFGT isn't hard mounted and stays pretty solid BUT there has been times I got a little too into the game and pulled it off the mount. I knew my current mount wasn't permanent so I didnt hard mount it but after paying 370 for the playseat and most likely over 500 for a wheel I will hard mount it. I dont think after that kind of money i will be changing my setup anytime soon.
 
Well look what was on my doorstep, My New ClubSport Pedals and Color Package! Now I just have to go to the hardware store and get a couple of things for my hardmount. LOL I have my rig stripped and am playing nothing but B Spec on GT5 until my GT2 comes on Monday!
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LOL I've even got the drill template taped on the steering wheel mount. I thought I would wait till the wheel arrives to make sure it's just right. My Buttkicker Gamer 2 gets here Tuesday so I'm really, really looking forward to next week!
 
Well look what was on my doorstep, My New ClubSport Pedals and Color Package! Now I just have to go to the hardware store and get a couple of things for my hardmount. LOL I have my rig stripped and am playing nothing but B Spec on GT5 until my GT2 comes on Monday!

LOL I've even got the drill template taped on the steering wheel mount. I thought I would wait till the wheel arrives to make sure it's just right. My Buttkicker Gamer 2 gets here Tuesday so I'm really, really looking forward to next week!

Yeah, don't drill until you get your wheel, because I think it needs to sit more forward than you have it...
 
Yeah, don't drill until you get your wheel, because I think it needs to sit more forward than you have it...

Yeah I'm either there or in the other direction to avoid the holes already there for the G25 mount. I'll wait till the GT2 gets here.

Thanks!
 
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