Did I cause this crash?

[CopperySinger]

I was told that I was at fault from the crash with the grey Lexus
Currently my Driver rank B & Safety Rank S
I use a wheel to drive and always cockpit view. I did not see the lexus coming in so quickly and I felt him hitting me against the wall

I don't think it is my fault he took a risky dive bouncing me against the wall and caused this himself imo.
in most cases if i crashed someone id stop and give position back but in this case i felt like he dive-bombed into me

feel free to tell me what you think the full video of the race is shared in game

this video shows different views of the crash

 

[Randombeef]

Even though you broke a little early for that corner he had more than enough room. Looked to me like he didn't care where abouts you was and was probably just salty cause it was near the end of the track.

 

[leigh991]

It not your fault. That person in the Lexus was all over the place.

 

[Steven Keeney]

Who told you that? Did you get a penalty? To me it looks like the grey car is pretty much out of control, off the track and wreckless. You seem to be driving mooth and steady and didn't have much chance to react to this. I've been using the radar lately and it helps to see who's around you. My own experience with GTS is that some folks need to learn to drive.

 

[RotorHed]

Yeah looks to me like the other guy was almost out of control anyway - the tap was enough to send him spinning.

Can’t see how you’d be to blame for that.

 

[Lion-Face]

Not your fault at all. You were on the left, there was room on the right and he turned into you. The lexus driver misjudged the distance and caused that himself.

You did brake early for that corner (not that makes any excuse for the lexus driver), and could have put on the brakes at the right hand apex or maybe just afterwards, should prevent someone doing that to you again.

 

[Spirit]

It almost looks like to me the Lexus was experiencing a fit of high latency, looking at the car's behavior. Either way, you're not at fault. You were entitled to your space and the Lexus turned down on you. If it was the Lexus driver who blamed you for the accident, well... that's public online racing for you, nobody can do any wrong!

 

[CopperySinger]

Who told you that? Did you get a penalty? To me it looks like the grey car is pretty much out of control, off the track and wreckless. You seem to be driving mooth and steady and didn't have much chance to react to this. I've been using the radar lately and it helps to see who's around you. My own experience with GTS is that some folks need to learn to drive.

This was a lobby race. The lexus driver accused me of the accident after the race in the text box, he said I hit him really hard I guess he thought I was "dirty" . so I thought id share this incident. I was having a series of decent clean races with others but this race was the first time I seen this guy.

 

[Cfft555]

Your not at fault in this incident.
He came up outside you and had enough room to hold outside. Whilst still keeping the inside line for the next corner. He holds line and you slot in behind him into the next corner. He turned into you forcing you onto the grass and tapping the barrier that sent you back into him. Clearly his fault.

 

[Deadheadbill]

Looks like that guy is using a ds4. Nothing wrong with that but he is doing it badly and Nordscheife does not forgive.

 

[UrbnRzqr]

Could you post a video with more clips. LOL not guilty

 

[Patclash]

Hi , I think the guy with the Lexus lost the grip before in the strait line in the Grass .....
and couldn't brake early enough

 

[JulesDennis]

There are two contacts in this video with that car.
The first is minor as the Lexus is going ahead of OP -btw there is no "dive-bomb,the door was open-.
OP goes wide (almost off-track) because of that and then hits the Lexus coming back into a "normal" line (second contact).
IMO OP should have lifted the moment the Lexus passed him.Lexus "forced" OP to go wide but he went ahead and there is no room to actual make that corner 2 wide.
So first contact was "forced" by that Lexus while he is passing OP.
Second contact,ts OP fault hitting Lexus from behind.
I dont think any of you had "intention" to push the other but its more like "I am gonna win this race" from both of you.

 

[Nando deBem]

There are two contacts in this video with that car.
The first is minor as the Lexus is going ahead of OP -btw there is no "dive-bomb,the door was open-.
OP goes wide (almost off-track) because of that and then hits the Lexus coming back into a "normal" line (second contact).
IMO OP should have lifted the moment the Lexus passed him.Lexus "forced" OP to go wide but he went ahead and there is no room to actual make that corner 2 wide.
So first contact was "forced" by that Lexus while he is passing OP.
Second contact,ts OP fault hitting Lexus from behind.
I dont think any of you had "intention" to push the other but its more like "I am gonna win this race" from both of you.

No way. The Lexus’s was so erratic and aggressive that the OP would never have reaction time to predict what was going to happen and react accordingly.

 

[zzz_pt]

There are two contacts in this video with that car.
The first is minor as the Lexus is going ahead of OP -btw there is no "dive-bomb,the door was open-.
OP goes wide (almost off-track) because of that and then hits the Lexus coming back into a "normal" line (second contact).
IMO OP should have lifted the moment the Lexus passed him.Lexus "forced" OP to go wide but he went ahead and there is no room to actual make that corner 2 wide.
So first contact was "forced" by that Lexus while he is passing OP.
Second contact,ts OP fault hitting Lexus from behind.
I dont think any of you had "intention" to push the other but its more like "I am gonna win this race" from both of you.

The second touch happened because the OP was pushed against the barrier and bounced back to the track. There's nothing he could have done in that split second.

Lexus is at fault. /thread.

 

[Famine]

On this evidence, nope. The Lexus seemed to be driving in a profoundly idiotic manner at all points of that video and was lucky only to hit you and wipe himself out.

Of course things may have looked different on his screen, but without that we'll never know.

 

[BarryB]

Agreed. He basically shoves you into a wall trying to pass at a very risky spot, as your car bounces off the barrier it causes a second contact that spins him. Without hitting the barrier (which he caused) there is no incident. You left room, he tried to take advantage and then a lack of skill/judgement caused him to squeeze you into the barrier.

Incidentally, as prrof of how reckless he was, I notice none of the other cars in your train tried to make a similar reckless move. Its really not a great passing spot, it was impatience and probably frustration at the fact he drove off the track when he DID have a good opportunity just prior to the first contact in the high speed left kink before that series of corners.

 

[JulesDennis]

Do we need to analize every video frame by frame?
Ok then.
0.28 of the video.Lexus is -already- ahead with no contact at this point and is doing a really agressive move (forcing OP outside the track going into the first corner).I already wrote that but its ok if you did not read it.Note that OP would have gone with two wheels at grass either way (and maybe hit that wall on his own).
OP then comes back on "track" and hits the aggressive Lexus (after that corner).
There is no room to go 2 wide in that S at green hell.If you in the back before that you need to lift off.

PS:when i wrote about the first "minor" contact,I meant that no car lost control or position because of that.I did not say it was just a bump.
"OP goes wide (almost off-track) because of that... "
"Lexus "forced" OP to go wide...."

EDIT:Note that Lexus actually goes into the grass in an efford to avoid hitting OP before that and also gets hit from behind after he comes back on track by car in 3rd position (causing him to go faster propably).
He is a pad user for sure and this is how many pad users drive either way.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

Another example for that you should not necessarily go for every "open door". Stupid driving of a must-winner. He should have sent apologies to you and the third placed car and be glad for not having spoiled the complete race.

 

[zzz_pt]

Do we need to analize every video frame by frame?
Ok then.
0.28 of the video.Lexus is -already- ahead with no contact at this point and is doing a really agressive move (forcing OP outside the track going into the first corner).I already wrote that but its ok if you did not read it.Note that OP would have gone with two wheels at grass either way (and maybe hit that wall on his own).
OP then comes back on "track" and hits the aggressive Lexus (after that corner).
There is no room to go 2 wide in that S at green hell.If you in the back before that you need to lift off.

PS:when i wrote about the first "minor" contact,I meant that no car lost control or position because of that.I did not say it was just a bump.
"OP goes wide (almost off-track) because of that... "
"Lexus "forced" OP to go wide...."

You also wrote this:

Second contact,ts OP fault hitting Lexus from behind

The Lexus had all the space on the right but chose to (or didn't have the car under control or the skill to control it) push the OP into the barrier.

Also, being ahead "with no contact" is a typical move if you want to divebomb. The contact comes afterwards, when you realise you can't avoid it (or outright doing it on purpose).

 

[JulesDennis]

You also wrote this:



The Lexus had all the space on the right but chose to (or didn't have the car under control or the skill to control it) push the OP into the barrier.

Also, being ahead "with no contact" is a typical move if you want to divebomb. The contact comes afterwards, when you realise you can't avoid it (or outright doing it on purpose).

I know what I am writing.
He is ahead before that S and before any kind of contact.There is no "dive-bomb".Lexus was aggressive because he though he could go from 3rd to 1rst.His speed at this point is because he was pushed/hit from behind (again because he was too aggressive imo).
There are 3 cars here and what happens its a result of things happening between those 3 way before any contact is made.
BTW again,Lexus is ahead before going into the corner.Then he force OP to go wide.Then OP does not lift and hits him (second contact).
This is agressive driving from both of them.
First contact is caused by Lexus.Second (that made Lexus spin) was OP's fault.
"Two faults does not make one right".

 

[ROCKET JOE]

Then he force OP to go wide.Then OP does not lift and hits him (second contact).

You should have a closer look. OP is on the brakes all the time. Should he have lifted the brakes ?

 

[Famine]

There are 3 cars here and that happens its a result of things happening between those 3 way before any contact is made.

Yes.

But, assuming the Lexus driver's video shows nothing different, it all starts here:

... and at that point it's the Lexus's responsibility to rejoin the track safely. Not keep his foot in and swerve back onto the track, narrowly miss the car in 3rd that he just went off the circuit to overtake, miss his braking point (he's over a second late on the brakes, and then lifts off them!) and twice try to hit the inside of a corner with a car already there.

The BMW's line doesn't change at all.

However, the Lexus driver may have seen something different. That's network racing for you.

 

[zzz_pt]

@JulesDennis

I didn't say it was a dive bomb. I said that you pointing out there was no contact is meaningless because the mess came afterwards - as it happens with dive bomb moves.

He came off track into the racing line almost sending the guy in 3rd off track. He then proceded to not brake. If you look to the braking lights he gets a bump from the BMW in 3rd, touched the brakes, lifts off, goes into the inside of the OP who's already braking at full speed and then starts braking. The bump from the guy in 3rd has anything to do with it and the Lexus could have broken earlier and followed the OP.

Also, he didn't go wide on the previous corner (fast left) because he didn't want to bump the OP. He went wide because it seems he has no idea there's a bump right mid corner and was trying to overtake on the outside. If you know the track, you know that if you go into that corner a bit wider you go off track. So he should have been more conservative and keep the same line behind the BMW, even if that means lifting off the throttle.

Spoiler: tl;dr

 

[JulesDennis]

You should have a closer look. OP is on the brakes all the time. Should he have lifted the brakes ?

IMO they both were too agressive.
First contact is on Lexus.
Second is OP fault.
"lifting" used in order to describe that OP did not avoid second contact.Propably he could not.But if he lifts enough before any contact is made (at this point Lexus is already ahead) then none of these contacts would have happend.

EDIT:This is my opinion.
Freeze the video at 0.28.
Lexus is already ahead before any kind of contact is made and before that corner.Plain and simple:
Lexus was too agressive and forced OP out of the track.
Then OP (that does not want to give up the possision he ALREADY lost without contact BEFORE the S) goes off track,then comes back and hits LEXUS from behind.
OP should have lifted hard enough before going into the S,way before.
LEXUS should have been less aggressive and give OP more space since OP does not back up even if he won possition.
Both drivers are aggressive because both of them think that the other is going to back off and do nothing to avoid those contact(s) until its too late.
So first is the Lexus,second its on OP.

 

[Deadheadbill]

IMO they both were too agressive.
First contact is on Lexus.
Second is OP fault.
"lifting" used in order to describe that OP did not avoid second contact.Propably he could not.But if he lifts enough before any contact is made (at this point Lexus is already ahead) then none of these contacts would have happend.

You should try to learn how to admit when you are wrong. i do it all the time and it is quite cathartic. Of course since I'm wrong a lot i am quite the cathartic mfer.

 

[Famine]

Second is OP fault.
"lifting" used in order to describe that OP did not avoid second contact.Propably he could not.But if he lifts enough before any contact is made (at this point Lexus is already ahead) then none of these contacts would have happend.

Please elaborate how a car fully on the brakes and as far left as he can go on a left-hand kink is in any way supposed to "lift" or otherwise avoid a contact from a car that isn't braking swerving in from the right across the track.

He can't brake any harder and he can't go any more left. The other options are to not brake (in which case he doesn't make the next corner) or to turn right (in which case he doesn't make the next corner and the collision happens much sooner and in the middle of the track).

 

[ROCKET JOE]

IMO they both were too agressive.
First contact is on Lexus.
Second is OP fault.
"lifting" used in order to describe that OP did not avoid second contact.Propably he could not.But if he lifts enough before any contact is made (at this point Lexus is already ahead) then none of these contacts would have happend.

No aggression on OPs side.
Plain idiocy on Lexus side.
Second is not OPs fault - he was forced and no one in this world ( maybe an alien ? ) could have avoided that contact.

@JulesDennis
I don't want to start a new discussion on the sim qualities of GT, but can you imagine someone doing the Lexus move irl - I hope you can't !

 

[Veinz]

The erratic Lexus is at fault for attempting a pass he's never going to make cleanly. OP held his line just fine without being aggressive.

 

[freedom1104]

nope. i dont think OP is at fault. You had the inside line and he had lots of space to turn if he had stick to the right with proper braking. He just simply dive in to your line and cut. Not your fault. Even if you brake and let him pass i dont think he would make the turn, he simply overspeed the turn.