Diesel M-Cars: Nooooooooooooooo!!!

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Mike Rotch
A bigger travesty by BMW is not M badging diesels, in my opinion, but putting a 2l in a 328i and still calling it a 328i.
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Or more pertinantly, putting a 3.0l in a M550d and still calling it a 550d!
 
I think it's a fantastic idea. BMW's diesels have been some of the best around for years, and this just tells everyone else what people who've driven the 35d already know. Diesel performance is here... now.

As for nose-heaviness... yes... they used to be, but considering BMW now uses aluminum blocks on some of its diesel models, it's (almost) a thing of the past.
 
Diesel engines will perhaps never be as lightweight as the gas models, but BMW should figure something out.

Is BMW going to try to force this on the us market? People over here still think diesel is for truck drivers and European Communists.
 
sumbrownkid
Diesel engines will perhaps never be as lightweight as the gas models, but BMW should figure something out.

Is BMW going to try to force this on the us market? People over here still think diesel is for truck drivers and European Communists.
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I doubt BMW can 'force' anything on Americans, I think it might be a good move to try to promote diesel in the US using these models, but to be honest, whilst fuel is so cheap in the US, diesel won't have all of the allure it has in Europe.
 
Diesel-powered M cars?

Good, it's about time they use an engine appropriate for the gigantic dents they pound into the earth's crust these days.
 
Sign me up for the M550d Estate. I know it has more torque than the sum of Joan Rivers's face lifts, but 38mpg combined? That's nuts.
 
I'd rather see them ramp up the 123d.
 
I'd rather see them sell car that doesn't weigh half a Panzerkampfwagen. Maybe they wouldn't need a giant diesel to get the thing rolling.
 
sumbrownkid
Diesel engines will perhaps never be as lightweight as the gas models, but BMW should figure something out.

Is BMW going to try to force this on the us market? People over here still think diesel is for truck drivers and European Communists.
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BMW diesels already used aluminum heads in previous generations. They now use both aluminum heads and aluminum blocks, and are thus no heavier than comparable all-aluminum turbocharged gasoline engines of the same displacement.
 
Keef
I'd rather see them sell car that doesn't weigh half a Panzerkampfwagen. Maybe they wouldn't need a giant diesel to get the thing rolling.
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With modern safety standards that's not going to happen, especially since BMW needs that luxurious, tech-bristling interior..
 
Can we call these Doctor Diesels? You know, because they're MDs.
 
...Can you tell meeeee... just what I need... :p

Yeah... if that goes in the ads, you get royalties. :lol:
 
What impresses me the most is 45 mpg from a 376bhp engine.
 
Any idea why diesels weren't always aluminum blocks and what BMW has done to make it so that they can be used?

I know it's cost (lump of iron vs. refined Al), but what do you have to do to engineer strength into it, etc.?
 
Omnis
Any idea why diesels weren't always aluminum blocks and what BMW has done to make it so that they can be used?

I know it's cost (lump of iron vs. refined Al), but what do you have to do to engineer strength into it, etc.?
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It's probably the type of Al. A lot of why they didn't build Aluminium diesels was the incredible pressures of compression ignition, and the heat involved as well. I imagine the Al used in the heads and block is a high-temp alloy, as lower-temp stuff'd get soft.

I also imagine a lot of it is bracing and other strengthening bits that have to be done, and I'm also willing to bet the cylinder liners will be thicker, too, if they're using iron and not iron-spray over Aluminum.

Wouldn't be surprised if one of these cars shows up in Mossville or the Peoria Proving Grounds when they go on sale. CAT would be VERY interested in how they did it.
 
Looks like an even bigger selection of Ms, how can that be wrong. And of course they will out perform or handle better than another diesels in their class.
 
BobbyBRAKEaNek
Looks like an even bigger selection of Ms, how can that be wrong. And of course they will out perform or handle better than another diesels in their class.
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Some people are concerned that the M badge has become little more than a designation for the highest engine option for the model.

Traditionally M cars have been very special. It was as if the M division was an independent and serious tuning company that carefully selected which models it wanted to play with. If a car had an M badge, you were sure that you could take it to a track and kick ass. You also knew that if some poor Beverly Hills mom decided she liked the shiny badge and bought one, she'd regret it one she hit a pothole.. These days there's an M version of everything from the X6 to the 6 series. The cars themselves are becoming softer and more comfort focused. Some say that this means the meaning has been lost.
 
I think it sounds sort of cool, though I'm not sure putting the M badge on them is a good idea. What about a separate diesel sport line? It could consist of cars that are less frenetic than the M cars and optimise the torque of the diesel for good cruising and midrange acceleration, not to mention economy. I think a big diesel engine, tuned well, would be great for a luxury sedan because you have seamless acceleration and terrific range.
 
I Think I'm right in saying that BMW raced an E90 320"Sd" (an S2000D version of the WTCC 320Si) at the Ring not too long ago.. maybe Sd could have been used...

Like I say, I'm not fussed anyway, the more BMW's the better!!!!!
 
Maybe BMW developed this engine only for marketing reasons.

I mean, BMW is always claiming to be "sportier" (lol) then Mercedes or Audi, but BMW has no real supercar (SLS, R8), also Mercedes has way more coupes (CLS/CL) and the SL.

That engine could be a good message for BMW fans and new customers.
 
alonsof1fan91
Maybe BMW developed this engine only for marketing reasons.

I mean, BMW is always claiming to be "sportier" (lol) then Mercedes or Audi, but BMW has no real supercar (SLS, R8), also Mercedes has way more coupes (CLS/CL) and the SL.

That engine could be a good message for BMW fans and new customers.
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No BMW doesn't have any real super car, but the fact that Mercedes are sportier because they offer "way more" coupes than BMW? how many more? Seriously, even the 8 year old I'm sat next to Face-palmed at that, BMW's across the entire range are sportier, and the quantity of coupes in the line-up is pretty irrelevant, 2 door or 4 door. I mean really you judging performance of BMW's line-up based on the fact they don't have a super car?
 
alonsof1fan91
Maybe BMW developed this engine only for marketing reasons.

I mean, BMW is always claiming to be "sportier" (lol) then Mercedes or Audi, but BMW has no real supercar (SLS, R8), also Mercedes has way more coupes (CLS/CL) and the SL.

That engine could be a good message for BMW fans and new customers.
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I was at the new york auto show last April I think and I was talkin to an engineer they flew over from Germany and I was talking about the 90's 8 series and was wondering if they would be bringing those back and he told me something would happen in 3 years and I tried to press him for more info but he kept saying the same thing. Also in feb 2011 they showed the M8 prototype to the press in BMW's warehouse and I asked him about an M8 and got the same response seriously can't wait to see what happens

The prototype was made in the 90's it was to powerful and tough to control so they never made it. Look it up it's pretty cool. The 850csi(or 860csi) was the closest to an M. It was a V12
 
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niky
...Can you tell meeeee... just what I need... :p

Yeah... if that goes in the ads, you get royalties. :lol:
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When I'm a baller, my wagon's plates will be DR DEEZ.
 
Mine will have some baller rims and the plate will read MD2020.
 
Keef
MD2020.
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Lol.. is that as in

MD's
20/20
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You get 20/20 in the states...? Intentional or not, it made me laugh.. "underage drinkers choice"
 
Of course MD 20/20 is an American wine :).

On topic. I'd love to see some sporty diesel's coming with a M on it. Maybe they can learn something new that everyone can learn from in the near future.
 
Appie
People who still think Diesel is noisy and slow :rolleyes:. the specs are good and can't wait to see some road test of it. :D
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But they do make a horrible racket. For example, I have an window-wall style air conditioner at home that seems to be very broken. It's on it's last legs and making an bad rattling noise. And even it sounds sonorous and wonderful compared to some shiny, new, expensive car hobbled with a diesel tractor motor.

I suppose these will be yet another choice for the cashed-up trophy wife to drive to "tennis lessons".
 
peter_vod69
But they do make a horrible racket. For example, I have an window-wall style air conditioner at home that seems to be very broken. It's on it's last legs and making an bad rattling noise. And even it sounds sonorous and wonderful compared to some shiny, new, expensive car hobbled with a diesel tractor motor.

I suppose these will be yet another choice for the cashed-up trophy wife to drive to "tennis lessons".
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Considering that the current M5 is so quite that it feels the need to play engine sounds over the speaker system, I don't think this is an issue.
 
Zenith013
Considering that the current M5 is so quite that it feels the need to play engine sounds over the speaker system, I don't think this is an issue.
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I guess "M" aren't used to doing exhaust systems for Turbocharged cars. But no diesel ever made sounded any good.
 
I'm going to put this diesel here and state that nothing is impossible.



Can't seem to imbed it :(.
 
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