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Rompin-Donkey
Can anyone explain why the best sim game for the ps3 is totally bias towards the pad users ... it seems that there is a pro sim mode for those on a wheel (i use a g25 ) pad users dontseem to know about understeer or oversteer there cars dont slide anywhere near as much as a wheel users .We have solved the problem in our rooms by allowing skid force it allows us to race side by side close and is a huge improvement to the everything switched off rooms we dont run anything else no tc ect .Dont think for a min im some young know nothing ive been online gaming since the start, i race stockcars in the uk been racing over 25 years . when we try and explain to people about the problem they think were moaning skid force off pads are faster full stop they seem to have a built in stability DO I HAVE TO PACK AWAY MY LOGITEC G25 AND PLAY THE GAME IN AUTOMATIC WITH MY THUMBS TO BE AS FAST WHEN EVERYTHING SWITCHED OFF if i knew everyone was on a wheel id race all off no probs but its so bias i wont race with pads all off
 
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A thing about the ds3 is that the user tend to use the gas for turning. Joystick from lock to lock, (on tight turns) if your to fast let off the gas, if you track to far inside hit the gas. They also tend to recover from oversteer easier. With the wheel you cant drive like this. You have to be more precise. But then ds3 users are at a disadvantage when it comes to somethings that requires minimal input. So the argument can be held for both sides. I use both. I also use NO AIDS on both.
 
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Rompin Donkey
.Dont think for a min im some young know nothing ive been online gaming since the start, i race stockcars in the uk been racing over 25 years .
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Proof?

The rest of your post is completely un-readable, which leads me to believe that you're not as old as you say you are...
 
dont talk rubbish what do you want a picture of my kids answer the question ..... ive been on since toca 2 in the seat copas
 
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Rompin Donkey
do talk rubbish what do you want a picture of my kids answer the question ..... ive been on since toca 2 in the seat copas
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The rules are that you put your GTP username on a large piece of paper or cardboard, put it on the hood of your "stock car" and take a picture. And I'm just pointing out that an adult may post using proper grammar, versus how you post.
 
phsyclone
Wrong.
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Agreed. I notice when my car is not holding its line. I notice when my tire slide and when the rear end starts to loose grip. Us ds3 users might not have wheels but we still have out basic senses. Out problem is that we go from lock to lock so fast.
 
will-i-am
A thing about the ds3 is that the user tend to use the gas for turning. Joystick from lock to lock, (on tight turns) if your to fast let off the gas, if you track to far inside hit the gas. They also tend to recover from oversteer easier. With the wheel you cant drive like this. You have to be more precise. But then ds3 users are at a disadvantage when it comes to somethings that requires minimal input. So the argument can be held for both sides. I use both. I also use NO AIDS on both.
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I agree with the lack of minor and precise inputs from a DS3. Sometimes if I notice I turned in too early, I try to straighten the car out to delay hitting the apex by flicking the analog stick the opposite way, but it puts in too much input and I miss the apex completely.

Also wheel users have a much easier time modulating the gas and brakes. Also don't forget that GT5 is a game. Wheel users are way more immersed in the game than us DS3 users are.
 
oopssorryy
Agreed. I notice when my car is not holding its line. I notice when my tire slide and when the rear end starts to loose grip.
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Does the vibrate works while under/over steer?since i turned off the vibrate to "0" i feel much comfortable and wont borther to turn it on again :P
 
phsyclone
Does the vibrate works while under/over steer?since i turned off the vibrate to "0" i feel much comfortable and wont borther to turn it on again :P
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I find it does if your car putting to much stress on your tires. Take any FF to a track with some very fast turns and you'll see what I mean.
 
oopssorryy
I find it does if your car putting to much stress on your tires. Take any FF to a track with some very fast turns and you'll see what I mean.
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Ah..i see now, guess we (DS3 user) have our own FFB than..lol
 
Rompin Donkey
Can anyone explain why the best sim game for the ps3 is totally bias towards the pad users ... it seems that there is a pro sim mode for those on a wheel (i use a g25 ) pad users dontseem to know about understeer or oversteer there cars dont slide anywhere near as much as a wheel users .We have solved the problem in our rooms by allowing skid force it allows us to race side by side close and is a huge improvement to the everything switched off rooms we dont run anything else no tc ect .Dont think for a min im some young know nothing ive been online gaming since the start, i race stockcars in the uk been racing over 25 years . when we try and explain to people about the problem they think were moaning skid force off pads are faster full stop they seem to have a built in stability DO I HAVE TO PACK AWAY MY LOGITEC G25 AND PLAY THE GAME IN AUTOMATIC WITH MY THUMBS TO BE AS FAST WHEN EVERYTHING SWITCHED OFF if i knew everyone was on a wheel id race all off no probs but its so bias i wont race with pads all off
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Dude I got cars in my garage that will fly around corners with no driving options on, and wont miss a beat......and i use a wheel. It's all in the settings and brake and throttle control. Try the settings to get it right.
 
Im a wheel user and I pretty much am quitting this game cause it's to hard to get in rooms where everyone's on the same page. The games been around a year now and it still plays the same in the lobby's despite lots of tweaks. It's all about finding your own group to play with, which is lame. Until PD finds a way to use matchmaking to get drivers of similar ability/preferences in the same place. I am done wasting my time. The online is BUSTED.

Oh yeah and for the OP. It's like this so PD can sell lot's of copies of the game. Not everyone wants to invest in a wheel. Not catering to the DS3 would really hurt sales.
 
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In my opinion the fastest players are just that, the fastest players. Using a wheel or a pad.

I have raced gokarts for over thirty years and do fairly well. On a real track in a real go kart.

This game although it is a pretty fair simulator is still a game and there are those who can play the game better than I.

online works fantastic for me. I have added many players with the same mind set as mine and we enjoy fast clean races with a lot of fun along the way.
 
All that it requires is an icon to show who is on a wheel , the infomation is available because when you do a event like the seb vettle one you could look what the player was using pad sticks or buttons or a wheel .Its a shame that others dont even understand the problem i trying to explain, if you use a controller to play the game dont even bother to comment as in my eyes and most i race with who are on wheels you wont understand the frustration . I want to race with other like minded players that for a start play in manual (ive never seen a automatic race car ) please the makers of the game youve got it so nearly right if there was a icon for the wheel , an ability to lock to manual gears and while im at it some seasonal event style race series that could be set online so there is some direction to the game as most players flit around .
IF U USE A CONTROLLER FOR A RACING GAME SHOULD I USE MY WHEEL FOR CALL OF DUTY ?????
 
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Rompin Donkey
if you use a controller to play the game dont even bother to comment as in my eyes you should not even be playing the game.
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Nice attitude there fella, ever think that some of us who use controllers, may have disabilities (in my case a childhood injury where I was very lucky not to loose my hand) & physically cannot get on with wheels, due to the physical demands needed to use the wheel (tbh, I can only just use a controller, but it`s far more comfortable than using a wheel)?

Think before you type your next insulting post please.

seriously thinking of reporting you for your anti-disabled attitude!
 
Where in my post does it say your quote thats very unfair of you to post a "QUOTE" that is not said , I have friends that are far more disabled than you have stated and feel very very insulted that you use your disability as a basis to a problem i am having with my playing of the game . how can you report me for a quote that i havent and would NEVER SAY



an appology is req from you please
 
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oopssorryy
Agreed. I notice when my car is not holding its line. I notice when my tire slide and when the rear end starts to loose grip. Us ds3 users might not have wheels but we still have out basic senses. Out problem is that we go from lock to lock so fast.
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I managed 150 mph oversteer in a stock M5. Believe me, you'll notice when it lets go. The main clues are the huge slip angle of the car, the loss of steering control, the thick smoke, the Pagani Zonda attempting to swerve around you:D, etc.

I can see huge understeer in my Acura Integra RM (stock except for a stg 3 turbo). Second gear, turn in, floor it, watch the smoke fly, listen to the engine bounce off the limiter, watch as the car slides straight into the wall of the corner you tried to turn through. :D

Now tell me that I can't have tire slip and under/oversteer.👎
 
This is pointless if your using a controller youve got the advantage in a all off online race if you cant understand the point im making ill stop this thread here ... look at the gtp races who wins in a all off race pad users or wheel ????? anyone who is on a wheel will hopefully understand if skidforce only is left on in rooms a steering wheel can match a pad to within a split second you turn it off and a pad will always beat a wheel if the 2 players are equally matched. Thats the point i am tryin to make, try it wheel users 2 races 1 race with 1 without skidforce see what happenes a pad has a distinct advantage with an all banned room ..If the game was set as default skidforce on there would be no problems at all and no need for any argument it only affects wheel users and there has only been a problem since the addition of pad sensativity ....... pad users had to have the karts dumbed down as they couldnt keep up so the makers of the game know there is a problem

as for the understeer oversteer point i should of said pad users cant feel understeer ect didnt mean dont understand it sorry
 
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ParkourVeyron
Proof?

The rest of your post is completely un-readable, which leads me to believe that you're not as old as you say you are...
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And the very nature of you asking for proof stinks of schoolboy childish comments. Maybe your the youngster here flying in when the OP has a problem.

OP I use both and I would suggest try to keep your driving line as smooth as possible, if you spin you will pay dearly unlike the pad user, practise smooth and keep practising.
 
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I definitely agree with you Rompin Donkey, i've had this thought for a while but never brought it up for obvious reasons.
The way I have to crank my wheel like a madman on some high speed corners just before the apex does not make sense.
You must have big _____ Donkey:tup:
 
every room i have ever been in, when i ask the guys that keep finishing in the top 3 what they use, its always been a wheel. I would use my wheel if i had a place to mount it but i dont right now. The thing with the wheel is it actually takes some skill in driving to get the most out of it, and a ton of practice. You can make some pretty big mistakes and get away with it using the pad. Then theres the speed sensitive steering, with the pad you just turn all the way all the time and the car turns to the correct slip angel. With the wheel you can turn to far and make the car understeer when it shouldn't. Again this means a lot more pratice when using a wheel, as this slip angel will vary from car to car and with changes to set up. Long story short if pad drivers are beatting you on a consistant basis you need more pratice with the wheel, preferably in Free run so you can see split times and evaluate what changes in driving style and set up have made to you're avg lap time with out the unknown of traffic.
 

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