Differences in F-1 Cars

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Originally posted by vat_man


Well, the Jag was usually a pretty solid performer in the speed traps, so you can only base your assumptions around that. I think the consensus was it was on a par with the Honda last year.

We'll get a better idea once we see how the Arrows goes. If they show a substantial performance increase then we know the motor's okay.

I don't know where you're getting information, but Reynard put together the BAR car - the Jaguar was done in-house. Remember that Jaguar is the old Stewart team, which was itself the old Paul Stewart Formula 3000 team.

The engine going in the arrows for this year will have no doubt improved greatly over last season's Jag engine so that may not be a totally accurate indication.......but you're right ....i must be on crack b/c i don't know why i said Jag had reynard chassis ....i knew it was BAR and that Villeneuve always complains of chassis flex :confused:
 
Originally posted by vat_man


Ironically Minardi run an older spec Ford motor.

I'm sensing some real bitterness Schumy. What happened - did a Ford run over your dog? Let it go, man! ;)

No, i just don't care for domestics because i know their heritage and i'm not into that type of thing........credit at least has to go out to Ford b/c of their involvement in F1 and WRC and various other forms of international racing which actually require driver skill......out of the three domestics ......if i had to like one it would be ford though.....GM and Dodge forget about it :cool:
 
Originally posted by Schumy


No, i just don't care for domestics because i know their heritage and i'm not into that type of thing........credit at least has to go out to Ford b/c of their involvement in F1 and WRC and various other forms of international racing which actually require driver skill......out of the three domestics ......if i had to like one it would be ford though.....GM and Dodge forget about it :cool:

Fair enough - I have the same issues with Ford in Australia. I was very interested in the new model Mondeo, but Ford decided not to bring it over on the grounds of cost (ie. cost of sales of the Falcon).
 
Originally posted by vat_man


Fair enough - I have the same issues with Ford in Australia. I was very interested in the new model Mondeo, but Ford decided not to bring it over on the grounds of cost (ie. cost of sales of the Falcon).

we don't even have the mondeo and neither do the states......but we don't have alot of cars that the lucky ones over in europe have......Lotus Elise's, Skylines, 911 GT3, Mclaren F1's, as there are many others..........DAMN i wished lotus put the M250 into production.....this car would have smoked the boxsterS which i am really fond of for basically the same price.....lotus didn't think there would be a market in the states for these cars and Canada suffers as a result.....after university i would have seriously considered buying this car but that won't be happening now ....states and Canada only have the esprit and the elan that ended like 10 years ago
one of my friends is an apprentice at a Ford dealership and every car that he compliments has something to do with Europe
He says he loves how smooth the 2.5L V6 is in the Contour/Mystique....i told him yah it's designed in Germany (i think)
He says the engine in the Lincoln LS is so sweet........i think this engine is essentially one borrowed from the Jag S-Type
He says the focus handles awesome and also has a nice engine(2.0 Zetec)........and i believe this car was mostly developed in europe as well
 
basically i think any of the decent fords are european collaborations
 
Originally posted by Schumy


He says he loves how smooth the 2.5L V6 is in the Contour/Mystique....i told him yah it's designed in Germany (i think)
He says the engine in the Lincoln LS is so sweet........i think this engine is essentially one borrowed from the Jag S-Type
He says the focus handles awesome and also has a nice engine(2.0 Zetec)........and i believe this car was mostly developed in europe as well

Yup - the Duratec V6 is indeed designed in Europe - couldn't tell you where Ford's engine design is in Europe.

Is the Lincoln LS the car that sits on the same floorpan as the S-Type? I know there is a Lincoln sharing that floor - if so, it would be the same motor.

The Focus is yet ANOTHER car we missed out on because of cost - instead we get some s&*tty re-badged Mazda 323 (nothing on Mazda, LoudMusic - their spec of the car is great, if a little dull, although the 2.0 litres a beaut).
 
yah, they also share the same floor plan....i forgot about that....trying to save money I guess .......they like to take,take,take but they don't really like to give.....that's brutal that they didn't even send you the focus :eek:
 
do you know what comes after junior member.....i just signed up like 4 days ago but this is a sweet website
 
you know, i've actually only put 12 miles on my f094/s since i got it and have put on another 500 or so on my f090/s... driving the f094/s is like playing in fastforward... i kept hitting the insides of turns cuase it turns too darn well and brake too soon cause it does that too well etc etc.

ah well :D perhaps i should spend a lil more time using it and getting used to it
 
Originally posted by Schumy


we don't even have the mondeo and neither do the states......but we don't have alot of cars that the lucky ones over in europe have......


He says he loves how smooth the 2.5L V6 is in the Contour/Mystique....i told him yah it's designed in Germany (i think)

They DID sell the modeo as the contour in this country. It was slightly changed in body style and they added another engine. I have one, and they are pretty nice cars. They are well thought out and reliable. The SVT contour was actually the car that built the SVT reputation. Its FAST and looks BAD ASS.
 
The experience with the Mondeo in Australia is a classic one of tailoring the car to local conditions.

In Australia, the base regular unleaded is dreadful, rated about 91 RON or so.

This knocked the stuffing out of the 2.0 litre, so the Mondeo didn't really pull at all well here.

Holden (the local GM manufacturer) released the Vectra a little later, but firmed up the suspension and adapted the 2.0 to local fuel (ie. put a frikkin great exhaust on it - it worked, sounded great!).

So, suddenly the Vectra's got this sporty image, and actually goes and turns very well (had one for three years, and I never had any complaints about the dynamics, 'til we bought the Subaru!).

It consequently kicks the absolute bananas out the Mondeo sales-wise.

The Mondeo, however, gets lumbered with this stodgy, 'Ford' image, and over the last six months has been quietly going into that good night - even a half arsed attempt by Ford to spice up the range with the V6 failed.
 
Originally posted by vat_man
The experience with the Mondeo in Australia is a classic one of tailoring the car to local conditions.

In Australia, the base regular unleaded is dreadful, rated about 91 RON or so.

This knocked the stuffing out of the 2.0 litre, so the Mondeo didn't really pull at all well here.

Holden (the local GM manufacturer) released the Vectra a little later, but firmed up the suspension and adapted the 2.0 to local fuel (ie. put a frikkin great exhaust on it - it worked, sounded great!).

So, suddenly the Vectra's got this sporty image, and actually goes and turns very well (had one for three years, and I never had any complaints about the dynamics, 'til we bought the Subaru!).

It consequently kicks the absolute bananas out the Mondeo sales-wise.

The Mondeo, however, gets lumbered with this stodgy, 'Ford' image, and over the last six months has been quietly going into that good night - even a half arsed attempt by Ford to spice up the range with the V6 failed.
I hope you didn't think that it bothered me that we didn't get the Mondeo and instead got the Contour/Mystique b/c I couldn't care less......i was referring to other cars such as the Lotus Elise,Fiat Coupe,Porsche 911 GT3,etc.
 
Originally posted by Schumy
I hope you didn't think that it bothered me that we didn't get the Mondeo and instead got the Contour/Mystique b/c I couldn't care less......i was referring to other cars such as the Lotus Elise,Fiat Coupe,Porsche 911 GT3,etc.

Nah - just sharing the joy of the concept of the world car...
 
Sorry to rake this old subject back up,but I was searching for stuff about what the PAL F1 Cars really are,and I noticed one guy here said that the 001 looked like a Benneton B194 with the close front wing pillars.Actually the B194 had very wide front wing pillars,I still haven't been able to find out what exactly the 001 and 002 are,but I can say that from picture comparisons the 002 is not the F688/S either.I think the '88 Ferrari might be a good candidate though.
 
Originally posted by Schumy


better motors?.......the only team with a more worthless engine is Minardi........but I'll agree on the chassis....it's crap......i believe it's a REYNARD!........U.S. engineering and F1 don't mix.....sorry U.S. ..stick to NASCAR and the DRAG STRIPS :eek:
The first team to beat Ferrari in the endurance races of the late '60's and early 70's was who?

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I agree that now No one in this country is doing anything successfully with F1. But we are kickin' it on more than just drag strips. In fact we excel on those tracks that require big torque at low RPM. (Laguna Seca, for instance)

As for the F1 cars the differences are simple. The 686 is a turbo 6 from 1986, the 687 from 1987 and so on.
The F090 and F094 are NA V-10s from 1990 and 1994. So, in theory the F094 is four years mor advanced than the F090.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
All F1 teams use V10 engines after they agreed to stick with that format. The engine manufacturers want to continue to develop the V10 format, and it would cost them a whole heap were someone to come up with a new format, and then they have to go and develop for that new format - witness the expense incurred by Ferrari, Ford et al when Honda and Renault came out with the V10 in the early 90s, or when Renault came out with the first turbo cars in the 80s.

Rice Rocketeer is correct when he says that newer does not always mean better, principally because there's periodically a major shift in rules that slows the cars down, so the 93 cars (active) were quicker than the 94 cars (active banned), then in 95, the engines were reduced from 3.5L to 3L, so slower again. Then in 97 (I think) you had the narrow-track regulations, where 20cm got cut out of the suspension arms, etc etc. These regs always slow the cars down initially, but then the engineers get it back in the end, because they're so goddamned clever!

I may well be wrong on this, but the Polyphony001 looks strikingly like the 1994 Benetton, with the torpedo nose, and the very-close-set front wing pillars. The hole in the back of the airbox gives it away as a post-May 94, pre-1995 car because the FIA demanded holes in the airbox to reduce intake pressure, but in '95 they'd gone down to 3L. The '94 Williams had a squarer-section nose, because that vintage car was designed by Adrian Newey, who was using a wide aperture between the wing supports, coupled with a flat upper nose section, and a W-shaped under-nose section to create a venturi between the front wheels. It took him until 1998 to get it right though! Also, the Williams of that year was using rear-wing sub-elements (the sections of wing just above the chassis mounting) that were curved up in a sort-of hump-back-bridge profile, whereas the Benetton had straight sub-elements.

The 1994 Benetton did win the championship amidst allegations of cheating, particularly concerning the concealment of launch/traction control software in the ECU. It was a theme that never went away. Powered by a Ford V8 engine, it had great driveability, compared to the higher (but narrower) power bands of the Ferrari V12 and the Renault V10. Renault got the V10 right during 94, and Benetton duly moved to it. Anyone who claims the 94 Ford V8 was a s**t engine obviously has forgotten the time Michael Schumacher came second at Barcelona, stuck in 5th gear...

I'll put my anorak away now! :cool:

oh my god :eek:
to let you know i made this account just to do this

*bows*
 
Well, in my opinion, the F094/S does everything on GT3 better than the others that I have driven. Better acceleration, handling, and top speed make this my best F1.

As far as the real F1 talks go, you guys really know your stuff. I like to see these cars race, maybe even want to race one myself, but I don't have any knowledge base besides little tidbits here and there.

As far as Ford goes, where would the entire car industry be without Ford...?? Ford is not my favorite company, but I have one thing to say.... GT40 ROCKS :rockon: Okay, I'm done now.
 
hehe mah bro has a contour svt, and its sick! put eibachs and 17'' rims and you got yerself a SWEET car!
i believe ford is BAD_ASS, they would be even better if they werent so CHEAP!!!
svt= 5 speed 195 hp 2.5 duratec v6 COULD burn a type r!!!!!
 
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