Dirt is not ice!

[Perfect Balance]

I have, but one thing about my comment, I was merely stating that he should be thankful he is even alive, I was intending in any way to call his friend an idiot, I have driven like that before, but like he said there are ways to do it and still be safe. For me it was back country roads where you could see 20 miles down the road, so you KNEW if you were putting anyone else's life at risk, and I KNEW what my car could and could not handle.

Being able to see 20 miles down the road doesn't exactly make for a fun drive. You also have to realize that I live around the Appalachian mountains. I've never seen more than than a 1/2 down the road, and that's even on the highway.

I also think that it's pretty obvious that he knew what his car could do. He's driving like that on a road with patches of wet pavement all over the place, so he's obviously not going nearly as fast as he could. Another thing is when he actually hit the gravel, he kept his wheels pointing towards the turn and actually slid back onto the road after going off with the 2 rear wheels. Had he counter steered into the slide to keep the car from going sideway, he would have went straight into the guard rail.


I think we've had enough videos to show that a wheel off the road can spin your car VERY easily.

 

[RedSuinit]

Being able to see 20 miles down the road doesn't exactly make for a fun drive. You also have to realize that I live around the Appalachian mountains. I've never seen more than than a 1/2 down the road, and that's even on the highway.

When the road never has a straightaway longer than 1/8 mile OH YES IT DOES! The reason I can see 20 miles down the road is because it's nothing but fields as far as the eyes can see and not much elevation change...

I also think that it's pretty obvious that he knew what his car could do. He's driving like that on a road with patches of wet pavement all over the place, so he's obviously not going nearly as fast as he could. Another thing is when he actually hit the gravel, he kept his wheels pointing towards the turn and actually slid back onto the road after going off with the 2 rear wheels. Had he counter steered into the slide to keep the car from going sideway, he would have went straight into the guard rail.


I think we've had enough videos to show that a wheel off the road can spin your car VERY easily.

I will agree with that your friend appeared to know what his car could handle, that I can see from the video, if you pay attention you can see how he was fairly selective on how he took his turns, it looked to me like he only crossed over the line once or twice. But please don't misunderstand me, know I was merely referring to myself and my situation and how I know my driving like that would be safe. I was not making reference to your video or friend at all. But, that video is a good lesson to us all, even if we do know what we are doing and even if we are being careful, things can still happen because of unknown or sometimes unnoticed factors on the road.

 

[P3DGpitstop25]

Lastly your friend shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel of a car ever. That's one of the stupidest things I've seen in a long time. I can't believe you posted that here. I have a friend that was put into a coma because she was a passenger in the car of some moron who thought he could drive fast on a ****ty road, she ended up with permanent brain damage.

Give your head a shake, man.[/QUOTE]

Well said. I have never seen any thing so silly in all my life. It is people like that that will make others crash trying to miss them. Have some respect for other road users you prat.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

Yep the F1 clip is what I'd expect to happen with putting the outside wheel under load into the grass while going 100+ turning into the corner. No argument there. 👍 I should have said that in my example for the HSR, it wasn't in the F1 2007, it was the AMG..

Anyway, don't want to turn it into one of 'those' threads so I'll leave it alone.


(what was really nifty was that exit from pit lane...yikes! )

 

[atledreier]

Just came from trackday with my RX-7, and jumped right in GT5 at suzuka. I was amazed how well GT5 portray how the RX-7 behave on and over the limit. Even the 'put half a wheel on the dirt' part is right on. At the exit of a fast turn (where you're likely to drift just a LITTLE wide) you have all your weight transferred outside and rear, so the outside rear tire is taking almost all of the cornering forces. When that CoF suddenly drops to 0.2 you are headed for the dirt in a hurry, that's for sure. On the limit in a fast turn all it takes is a pebble or a slight bump to unsettle the car and make it step out. The difference is in a real car you feel it a little sooner and can usually catch it easier. But overall, the behaviour is accurate.

In regards to the AMG and going 'slow', well... Look at you speedometer when you do your 'slow' turns, then go out and do it in real life. 100mph is just a number on my screen, but on my car's speedometer it's damn fast.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

Look at you speedometer when you do your 'slow' turns, then go out and do it in real life. 100mph is just a number on my screen, but on my car's speedometer it's damn fast.

I'm well aware of how a 'dealer' or a race prepared car feels and drives like at 100 mph through a corner. 👍

 

[Perfect Balance]

Well said. I have never seen any thing so silly in all my life. It is people like that that will make others crash trying to miss them. Have some respect for other road users you prat.

Hasn't even come close to happening so far, and I have FAR more respect for other drivers than they have for me, I notice it daily.

Ask any driver who has done a spirited run on a back road or something, they'll tell you the same thing. Even driving around my city, sitting at a stoplight, I always watch my mirrors for something as small as moving up a bit to let a car get into the turning lane, or moving to the far left side of the lane when taking a left turn so cars can get around me and not hold up traffic. I drive to the best of my abilities, always, and now it's become a habit, and it's paid off well. If you crash because of anything similar to what I've done in the past, then you're probably the one who shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car.


I agree with the post FoolKiller made though, well said, dropping a wheel off the road will have a greater effect in slower corners where you should be going 100% already. If you're going fast enough that all the grip your tires have to offer will put you right on the edge of the exit, and you overshoot it a bit, then you lose the grip you had in the first place, yet you are moving at the same speed. This causes the car to go out even more, which causes it to go out even more from the loss of grip. It basically "sucks you in."

 

[guerro]

I tried dropping my tire off the road at 50mph once, into some gravel.

Scary moment, it's pretty accurate.

Look what happens to my friends car when he hits some gravel that washed out onto the road.


EDIT: Language warning at the end.

Too bad we couldn't see the car spin out because the camera operator put the camera into his seat. 👎

 

[newbielives]

I hope your friend learned his lesson.
I have no problems with people driving fast but to cross lanes on a blind corner, that is just dumb, luckily you(camera man?) didn't pay the ultimate price.

Hasn't even come close to happening so far, and I have FAR more respect for other drivers than they have for me, I notice it daily.

Ask any driver who has done a spirited run on a back road or something, they'll tell you the same thing. Even driving around my city, sitting at a stoplight, I always watch my mirrors for something as small as moving up a bit to let a car get into the turning lane, or moving to the far left side of the lane when taking a left turn so cars can get around me and not hold up traffic. I drive to the best of my abilities, always, and now it's become a habit, and it's paid off well. If you crash because of anything similar to what I've done in the past, then you're probably the one who shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car.


I agree with the post FoolKiller made though, well said, dropping a wheel off the road will have a greater effect in slower corners where you should be going 100% already. If you're going fast enough that all the grip your tires have to offer will put you right on the edge of the exit, and you overshoot it a bit, then you lose the grip you had in the first place, yet you are moving at the same speed. This causes the car to go out even more, which causes it to go out even more from the loss of grip. It basically "sucks you in."

 

[Perfect Balance]

I hope your friend learned his lesson.
I have no problems with people driving fast but to cross lanes on a blind corner, that is just dumb, luckily you(camera man?) didn't pay the ultimate price.

Yes, he did learn his lesson, he checks for stuff on the road every time now before driving quicker than normal. (that's probably not the reply you were looking for, but I'm not sure what else there is to be learned that we wouldn't have known before.)

I wasn't the camera man, but I am well aware of what could happen each time I go.

EDIT: He crossed with about 1/3 or less of the car, and he could see far enough that he would be able to move back into his own lane if anything was to appear. You should never drive in a way that you wouldn't have enough time to react if anything were to appear in your field of vision.

It's kind of like the fog "rule of thumb" where you should never drive fast enough when it's foggy that you won't be able to stop in your field of vision at any point.

EDIT: We need to stop this. In each of my replies I tried to add something to the original topic at the same time, but there's nothing else to say now and this is off-topic.

 

[bicycleshorts]

Agreed.

Unfortunately it has been drilled in our heads that "speed kills" and is reckless, when in fact this is not the case, inappropriate speed is what causes problems. Whilst driving the backroads where I live - reasonably fast - an possible crash would normally be attributed to another road user. There have been numerous times when I've been coming around a BLIND corner - not always quickly - and someone has been coming the other way in the middle of the road.

I never cross the white line unless it is a clear corner and always treat the left hand side of the road (English) as my part of the "track".

How often have you gone to overtake someone and they have decided that is the time they wish to speed up, causing you to go faster and making what should be a safe overtake a risky one. In general it is a complete lack of road etiquette that causes most problems, not a competent driver going slightly faster than others.

With that said, you have to understand PB, that if had he been slightly more unlucky and the car in the opposite lane a few seconds slower, he would more than likely have crashed with him. I think this is why most people are saying it is "reckless" or "stupid".