DLC is ruining content of games

[sumbrownkid]

^games are gonna be skinnier on content from now on and based heavily on online services. DLC is just another way to get money. Game development is no longer the cheap enterprise it once was.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

Its not ruining gaming content, its gaming evolution.

It doesn't cost that much and, if we weren't getting ANY DLC, you (and many others) would probably have a big old moan up about that too.

If its too much for you to deal with, don't buy it.

For me personally, as a gamer who has been playing for 20+ years, it isn't a problem.

The odd £5 - £12 isn't killing me. Its making GT5 more fun.

 

[Crisp]

Its not ruining gaming content, its gaming evolution.

It doesn't cost that much and, if we weren't getting ANY DLC, you (and many others) would probably have a big old moan up about that too.

If its too much for you to deal with, don't buy it.

For me personally, as a gamer who has been playing for 20+ years, it isn't a problem.

The odd £5 - £12 isn't killing me. Its making GT5 more fun.

I agree 100%

 

[gt5insomniak]

Completly agree. Hate the fact that games now have a total play time of a few hours. Games in the old days would take weeks to complete. Now companies only want your money. Not caring about the customer satisfaction. Its a crying shame

 

[Parnelli Bone]

OP is ridiculous, no offense. I'll buy whatever I want to buy, it's not like the DLC so far has cost that much. I always like having more. Having new tracks to race on is what I like most. I like the new challenges these tracks present.

 

[Tornado]

I have to wonder if the people who are using "Don't like, don't buy" as a rebuttal to the OP have actually read it. Because the OP has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you like the DLC of a certain game. It has to do with whether the concept of DLC has been being abused by publishers to extort gamers. Which, in certain cases, it unarguably has (and in other cases, it is much more borderline).


That isn't to say I agree with the OP entirely (because his argument is rather contradictory), but you might as well be saying "you're wrong, because today is Monday!" for all the relevance "don't like, don't buy" has.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

Completly agree. Hate the fact that games now have a total play time of a few hours. Games in the old days would take weeks to complete. Now companies only want your money. Not caring about the customer satisfaction. Its a crying shame

They only took weeks because we couldn't save the progress on a lot of them. Took about an hour for the cassettes to load

Have I gone too far back?

I don't feel like games are easier to complete these days. Not if you want to 100% them and get a platinum trophy.

Depends on how much time you have on your hands

That isn't to say I agree with the OP entirely (because his argument is rather contradictory), but you might as well be saying "you're wrong, because today is Monday!" for all the relevance "don't like, don't buy" has.

Well, from what I read in the OP (between the lines) is that the OP is annoyed because PD have released stuff that should have been included to start with and, doesn't want to spend money on buying it.

Its the future of gaming. Just because he / she is annoyed at that, doesn't mean they should come on here and spout a load of over the top stuff about how its ruining game content.

IF PD had released a blank disc that we all paid £20 for and prceeded to sell us stuff every 2 weeks for a nominal fee, then I would understand.

 

[Turtle]

I think that some companies *ahem EA cough Activision cough cough* take advantage of people who buy most or all of the DLC released for their games. Some of EA's games, often sports games, require an online pass to play, and if you buy that game used, you have to pay money to go online, which is just ridiculous. Activision is even worse. With every CoD game that comes out, there are three or four DLC packs, usually 15 dollars each. That means that if someone buys all of the DLC, they spend over a hundred dollars, just to buy the next game in the series the next year, and repeat the process again. GT5, has provided some great content, at prices that don't rip us off. That's yet another thing I like about PD: They aren't scamming us out of content that was already available at the time of the release. Well, at least it doesn't seem like it.

~Turtle

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[Blitz24]

I think that some companies *ahem EA cough Activision cough cough* take advantage of people who buy most or all of the DLC released for their games. Some of EA's games, often sports games, require an online pass to play, and if you buy that game used, you have to pay money to go online, which is just ridiculous. Activision is even worse. With every CoD game that comes out, there are three or four DLC packs, usually 15 dollars each. That means that if someone buys all of the DLC, they spend over a hundred dollars, just to buy the next game in the series the next year, and repeat the process again. GT5, has provided some great content, at prices that don't rip us off. That's yet another thing I like about PD: They aren't scamming us out of content that was already available at the time of the release. Well, at least it doesn't seem like it.

~Turtle

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Problem is, this is going to be standard practice that EA started. Sony is following the same suit and if the rumors about the next Xbox are true then there won't be a used game market for Microsoft games.

Back to the DLC issue, I disagree about games being worse off nowadays and of lower quality because DLC is available. Many of the DLC offerings are because the people who bought the games want it and ask for the content. If it wasn't wanted then nobody would buy it. The DLC is merely what people wanted and it is up to your discretion to purchase it or not. The option of not purchasing the DLC in most cases will not prevent you from enjoying the game to its fullest extent just like you have the option to not purchase the online pass and still play the game, just not play online.

 

[LR-MR-Cole]

I come to this site to see about updates to GT5, and every time I see an announcement for DLC. People go crazy for and buy it blindly with out even thinking. The thing that gets me the most is this recent update they're coming out with, and people are talking about what should be in the game via a DLC? What is that? Wait for GT6, because all these cars that you're buying in these "DLCs" are going to be on there. I know some people are going to post in here, "If you don't like it, don't buy it," or "The developers need the money, this is a great service that they're doing for us!" That's not the point, developers are looking at games like Forza and the Call of Duty series and seeing what success they're having with ripping people off with content that should already be in the game, hell you can't blame them they're making a profit off people that just blindly put there money towards. I'm sure there's people out there that share the same frustrations as me. This is only going to get worse if YOU the consumer stop buying DLC.

Sign here if you think DLC is ruining the quality of games.

well than you can wait for GT6 in another 2-4 years, and I do agree in a way but any DLC that does come out I feel that I have to buy cause the only game I play is GT5 and Im not gonna wait for GT6. And I see good DLCs coming soon, like you said they (PD) study what games like Forza are doing and Forza is coming out with some nasty DLC like Maserati 300S, Gran Turismo GT4, Audi R18 TDI, Ford Escort RS1800, Ferrari 458 GT3, Lamborghini Gallardo GT3, Holden HSV GTS and Audi Sport Quattro S1. Now why cant GT5 be that creative about DLC content. However I do like the Jag XJR-9, Aventador and the V12 Vantage so far are my favs.

 

[TokoTurismo]

(PD) study what games like Forza are doing and Forza is coming out with some nasty DLC like Maserati 300S, Gran Turismo GT4, Audi R18 TDI, Ford Escort RS1800, Ferrari 458 GT3, Lamborghini Gallardo GT3, Holden HSV GTS and Audi Sport Quattro S1. Now why cant GT5 be that creative about DLC content.

I wonder myself. lol

 

[Tornado]

Well, from what I read in the OP (between the lines) is that the OP is annoyed because PD have released stuff that should have been included to start with and, doesn't want to spend money on buying it.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree that that is likely the base reason.


However, the general concept of his post is much more broad-stroked than simply what PD is doing with GT5, so I can't see how the standard "don't like, don't buy" defense applies. He clearly doesn't like it, and he clearly isn't going to buy it, so what use does such a response have when he isn't even talking about it specifically?

IF PD had released a blank disc that we all paid £20 for and prceeded to sell us stuff every 2 weeks for a nominal fee, then I would understand.

I also agree with this, which is the main reason why I don't actually buy his argument. Full-blown sequels are still going to exist for the foreseeable future, so it isn't as if DLC is ruining the ability to ever get content (except for the truly sleazy companies like Activision).



But on the other hand you do see people who are short-sighted enough to complain about sequels existing at all when publishers could instead make everything DLC, and that is where I think the OP's worry is coming from.

 

[HOODFIELD]

Due to the fact that the DLC took almost a year to release, and the fact that it initially did not work on multiple consoles leads me to believe DLC was an afterthought when they made this game. Seems almost as if they had to change plans and incorporate DLC into the game because that is what was demanded by everyone. (This fourm in particular)

I don't play tons of games for comparison but one game where it's blantantly obvious they are holding DLC for after release profit is Little Big Planet.

GT5 is really one of the better examples of how DLC should be implemented IMO.

OP has excellent points when talking about the gaming industry in general but I don't think the argument holds up if you were to say: "DLC is ruining content of Gran Turismo 5" And I don't think GT5 followed the model he described in the OP.

 

[ImTheZobi]

Well yeah, what you say is true but the fact is that some of us dont want to wate for the GT6. and well..its pretty cheap so why not buying it, if it make the game more fun?

 

[QB1o]

I don't think DLC is a bad thing, though i probably won't buy any GT5 DLC.

Mostly because the game is too buggy to warrant sending more money to what i see now as a very cynical developer.

I think it's the internet rather than DLC that's retarding games; i played two games last year, Skyrim and GT5, both games were released at what i'd argue is a very early test build.
Of course, the internet allowed Polyderpderp to update GT5 a year too late, and Skyrim to basically not work at first on a PS3 because releasing a product has become more important than releasing a product that works.

DLC good, Gamers and reviewers that tolerate shoddy software bad.

 

[I Love GT6]

Yes +1 for the OP, Its totally ruining the game. Put my in the list.

 

[Guardian]

I come to this site to see about updates to GT5, and every time I see an announcement for DLC. People go crazy for and buy it blindly with out even thinking. The thing that gets me the most is this recent update they're coming out with, and people are talking about what should be in the game via a DLC? What is that? Wait for GT6, because all these cars that you're buying in these "DLCs" are going to be on there. I know some people are going to post in here, "If you don't like it, don't buy it," or "The developers need the money, this is a great service that they're doing for us!" That's not the point, developers are looking at games like Forza and the Call of Duty series and seeing what success they're having with ripping people off with content that should already be in the game, hell you can't blame them they're making a profit off people that just blindly put there money towards. I'm sure there's people out there that share the same frustrations as me. This is only going to get worse if YOU the consumer stop buying DLC.Sign here if you think DLC is ruining the quality of games.

Red: Having just joined this argument, I can tell you that that^^ is a load of rubbish.
I only got my hands on the DLC two days ago. I bought the 'Car Pack 3' and the 'Route X' track. However, I WAS going to buy the 'Car Pack 2 & 3, but didn't because I didn't see it as worth my while. Anyway, anyone who does just buy it blindly ius only going to do two things; 1) Dramatically lower their PSN Wallet and 2) IMPROVE their game. How can you class having more Cars and Tracks in the game as a bad thing?

Orange: Of Course people are going to say/think that. If you've got such bad feelings for DLC, A) DON'T BUY IT and B) Don't pay any interest to the DLC-orientated news.

Green Yep, everyone stop buying all those fancy Avenatdors and AMV8s and stuff. For crying out loud, if we keep buying them PD might introduce a WHOLE PILE of brand new cars, and worst of all, they'll charge us less than a fiver for them. Cant you see the lunacy!?!?

 

[NJ72]

people keep saying that games take less time to complete these days than they used to... have you got the GT5 platinum trophy yet? i've been playing it for ages (since release, quite regularly at that) and still have only got 80-something% of the trophies.

I also disagree with with the comment from QB1o. "releasing a product has become more important than releasing a product that works" and "I think it's the internet that's retarding games". I think those are two narrowminded statements that do not take in to account the potential of other aspects of the internet with relation to console gaming.

Bare with me for the slightly off topicness of this response, but if the internet itself is the problem, then are you saying games are worse now that you can:
~ Download game demos whenever you want for free
~ Developers can beta test to extremely large audiences to decrease major bugs in the release
~ Release free updates for unforeseeable bugs that may develop and to add features based upon player's feedback
~ Allow you to play with your friend full screen without having to be in the same room as them.

Also "Gamers that tolerate shoddy software" is another statement I disagree with, we do not appreciate shoddy software, we appreciate that as the level of software complexity increases that the potential risk for bugs in the code also increases. Therefore updates are necessary. If you look at the numbers of lines of code required to run a game like tetris or pacman, and then look at the number of lines of code required for GT5 I believe one may s**t one's self...

 

[elric718]

When half of a game is released in a full priced box, then yes DLC sux. EA does this sometimes I know, and I think Ubisoft is the other bad offender?

But GT5, as released, was a complete game, with some bugs of course.

I have no problem, and appreciate these GT5 packs. Supply and demand. I only hope they offer sales down the road for people who think the DLC is worth something, just not as much as they are charging.

I suppose I will get a little mad if they release a pack of 6 cars for $6, and if only one of them was a car I had any interest in.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

I came back to GT5 because of the dlc's, I sure hope we gonna get R18, HSV and such as dlc's. Because playing on other racing game for 5 years until gt6 is out is not the best option. Also you're saying those car would be in GT6 and I can tell you it's not sure at all. There's car and tracks gone from past GT, that's a fact.

 

[Rotax]

I paid 60€ to buy this game (which has 300 premium cars and many tracks). So the price of DLC's is too expensive...

 

[zedextreme8177]

I appreciate the DLC as additional content, IF the original game was released FINISHED.

Things change over time

 

[Kwicko]

Like it or not, this is the future of software. Instead of making a one-size-fits-all software package that tries to cram in everything for everybody, thereby pleasing nobody, developers will release the basic "kernel" of the program, and then let you customize it by buying the add-ons you want.

If nobody bought the game when it came out, the price would have dropped sooner than it did. That's basically the argument being made in the OP - don't buy DLC, because it will already be included in GT6. Don't buy a new car; hold off, and they'll mark it down at the dealership. Don't buy a new iPhone; they'll mark this year's model down when the next one comes along.

If you choose not to buy the DLC, that's your choice. But trying to get others not to buy it in hopes that prices will drop or it will hurry the next game along is as likely to kill the franchise as it is to help it. If nobody bought GT5, there'd be no GT6. If nobody buys DLC, there will likely be no DLC, and you'll be stuck with the game you bought, with no hope of ever adding more fun or functionality to it.

 

[Tornado]

Red: Having just joined this argument, I can tell you that that^^ is a load of rubbish.

No it isn't. I can tell you right now that every time the contents of the DLC packs are announced for GT5 you have at least a dozen different people saying "true fans would buy the DLC regardless of if they liked it" and similar such crap.


Your post in general almost completely missed the point the OP was trying to make, in fact.

Bare with me for the slightly off topicness of this response, but if the internet itself is the problem, then are you saying games are worse now that you can:
~ Download game demos whenever you want for free
~ Developers can beta test to extremely large audiences to decrease major bugs in the release
~ Release free updates for unforeseeable bugs that may develop and to add features based upon player's feedback
~ Allow you to play with your friend full screen without having to be in the same room as them.

None of this negates the first statement you quoted. It's all well and good that those things exist, but the developer/publisher has to utilize them first. And as an example, PD certainly didn't for GT5 based on V1.0.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Red: Having just joined this argument, I can tell you that that^^ is a load of rubbish.
I only got my hands on the DLC two days ago. I bought the 'Car Pack 3' and the 'Route X' track. However, I WAS going to buy the 'Car Pack 2 & 3, but didn't because I didn't see it as worth my while. Anyway, anyone who does just buy it blindly ius only going to do two things; 1) Dramatically lower their PSN Wallet and 2) IMPROVE their game. How can you class having more Cars and Tracks in the game as a bad thing?

Orange: Of Course people are going to say/think that. If you've got such bad feelings for DLC, A) DON'T BUY IT and B) Don't pay any interest to the DLC-orientated news.

Green Yep, everyone stop buying all those fancy Avenatdors and AMV8s and stuff. For crying out loud, if we keep buying them PD might introduce a WHOLE PILE of brand new cars, and worst of all, they'll charge us less than a fiver for them. Cant you see the lunacy!?!?

Obviously you missed the point of what the OP is saying, the only lunacy seen is the fact that many of you responding can't read the opening post to this thread and see where the topic is going.

GT5 is being used as an example, but the OP is talking about all games that use DLC, actually all gaming companies that do DLC work.

 

[TokoTurismo]

But trying to get others not to buy it in hopes that prices will drop or it will hurry the next game along is as likely to kill the franchise as it is to help it. If nobody bought GT5, there'd be no GT6. If nobody buys DLC, there will likely be no DLC, and you'll be stuck with the game you bought, with no hope of ever adding more fun or functionality to it.

This is my biggest fear yet.

 

[xNeroZero]

To all the people that get all defensive when they think I'm bashing GT5 and the price of DLC. I'm using GT5 as an example of decline of video games in general. I read through the pages, and people are using the excuse, "It's only $5, it's not going to break the wallet." Take that $5 DLC into consideration, and the people that think that way, the developers are making a huge profit on content that should be in the game and are more likely to keep doing that more often. That's one example of how the developers are taking advantage of people. An other thing that I see people talking about is how they didn't touch this game until DLC was available for the game and how great it has made this game in terms of content. Isn't that how it is for all games today? Even if there is DLC for the game a new game in the series is going to have more content regardless of DLC in the previous game. I have proof of this. Look at Forza 3. That game had loads of DLC that people probably bought and when they went to go buy the fourth one, the DLC from the third one was in there.

 

[I Love GT6]

to all the people that get all defensive when they think i'm bashing gt5 and the price of dlc. I'm using gt5 as an example of decline of video games in general. I read through the pages, and people are using the excuse, "it's only $5, it's not going to break the wallet." take that $5 dlc into consideration, and the people that think that way, the developers are making a huge profit on content that should be in the game and are more likely to keep doing that more often. That's one example of how the developers are taking advantage of people. An other thing that i see people talking about is how they didn't touch this game until dlc was available for the game and how great it has made this game in terms of content. Isn't that how it is for all games today? Even if there is dlc for the game a new game in the series is going to have more content regardless of dlc in the previous game. I have proof of this. Look at forza 3. That game had loads of dlc that people probably bought and when they went to go buy the fourth one, the dlc from the third one was in there.

+5.

 

[TokoTurismo]

To all the people that get all defensive when they think I'm bashing GT5 and the price of DLC. I'm using GT5 as an example of decline of video games in general. I read through the pages, and people are using the excuse, "It's only $5, it's not going to break the wallet." Take that $5 DLC into consideration, and the people that think that way, the developers are making a huge profit on content that should be in the game and are more likely to keep doing that more often. That's one example of how the developers are taking advantage of people. An other thing that I see people talking about is how they didn't touch this game until DLC was available for the game and how great it has made this game in terms of content. Isn't that how it is for all games today? Even if there is DLC for the game a new game in the series is going to have more content regardless of DLC in the previous game. I have proof of this. Look at Forza 3. That game had loads of DLC that people probably bought and when they went to go buy the fourth one, the DLC from the third one was in there.

Whoops... But I agree with the forza part...

 

[Schwartz]

Even if there is DLC for the game a new game in the series is going to have more content regardless of DLC in the previous game. I have proof of this. Look at Forza 3. That game had loads of DLC that people probably bought and when they went to go buy the fourth one, the DLC from the third one was in there.

I don't understand what you're getting at here. Maybe its just your wording or my bad comprehension, but can you explain it a little more

Edit: Nevermind, I got it now.