Do deep Curbstones add cornering force?

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I noticed that on tracks like Cape ring and Eiger nordwand, there were spaces on the edges of corners that create a sort of "lip" that would capture my wheel(s) in their spaces. In theory, this would prevent my car from going to the outside of a turn, generating more cornering force. But is this true in GT5?
This is on Cape Ring:
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The inside wheel is up against the "curb", preventing me from sliding out.
Tell me what you think:drool:
*When I say cornering force I mean G-Force during cornering.
 
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yes obviously when you are drifting nicely like you are (i must say ;) ) and have one tire over and the one against the bump it isnt going to go over.
 
Poppins
yes obviously when you are drifting nicely like you are (i must say ;) ) and have one tire over and the one against the bump it isnt going to go over.
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well, if you go too fast, then it will go over, but I think that the benifit is small.
 
machate-man
That partly inspired my thought for this...💡
Other than that, ignore the AE86 and try it for yourself:cool:
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There are a handful of places where the... *ahem*... gutter-hook technique can be used, which kind of allows you to jump into and / or out of corners with bit more speed, but it's nowhere near as dramatic as depicted in the anime / manga. It could just be psychosomatic, but it makes for exciting replays.

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I think it does have a little effect.

I've tried it on Eiger and it seems to help the car turn a bit, but it could just be all in my mind. :lol:

 
well that isnt what im talking about it doesnt help you corner but it does prevent your other tire from going over sometimes like you asked.
 
Poppins
but it does prevent your other tire from going over sometimes like you asked.
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^^^ That is what increases your cornering force, I think:boggled:
Oh well, I'm going to sleep now. Maybe the answer will come in a dream:O
 
On eiger it's negligible but on the cape ring it feels very effective!
Just that its abit difficult to continue the technique for sustained periods..
 
Sometimes the wheel hooks in and I lose control. So in my opinion, it does have an effect.
 
machate-man
Cool, but I want to know if it has an effect other than the obvious asthetic one:boggled:
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Probably as with that picture of the lexus above, if you have one of the drive wheels in the dirt, it'll get less grip and therefore the outside drive wheel will push you around the corner a bit. I assume since someone mentioned Initial D (even though I know very little about it) you've probably got the car very sideways and it would matter less anyway.

The other thing is, while you get less grip on the inside when accelerating, braking is the opposite and unless the drag from being in the gravel itself outweighs the lack of grip for braking purposes (which I doubt) then the extra braking force on the outside would cause you to reduce the tightness of your cornering.

All above said, I've done some drifting (like around Autumn Ring going up to the overpass) where I hang the inside front wheel on the grass... Seems to work fine, mainly I did it that way as you get more points for being closer to the inside of the corner. (This was in a Honda Odyssey by the way)
 
Negrumir
Probably as with that picture of the lexus above, if you have one of the drive wheels in the dirt, it'll get less grip and therefore the outside drive wheel will push you around the corner a bit. I assume since someone mentioned Initial D (even though I know very little about it) you've probably got the car very sideways and it would matter less anyway.

The other thing is, while you get less grip on the inside when accelerating, braking is the opposite and unless the drag from being in the gravel itself outweighs the lack of grip for braking purposes (which I doubt) then the extra braking force on the outside would cause you to reduce the tightness of your cornering.
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That would be in real life. In GT5, the "gravel" effect is only apparent when you have 3 or more wheels on it.
Negrumir
All above said, I've done some drifting (like around Autumn Ring going up to the overpass) where I hang the inside front wheel on the grass... Seems to work fine, mainly I did it that way as you get more points for being closer to the inside of the corner. (This was in a Honda Odyssey by the way)
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Autumn ring doesnt have very large curbs, so I think your technique is only valid because grass makes your wheel lose grip regardless of the # of wheels. That would balance out your rear tire's grip so that you would drift.
 
I think i've feeled the same as the OP, on cape ring

i was testing cars from teh 90ies around that track, on confort soft tires and I droped a single tire in the "gutter" on my warmup lap (i'm not doing it while doing time attack!) and it instantly reminded me of my old days driving an rx-7 in winter (real winter, with snow, i'm from Quebec), where I was frequently doing it (inspired by initial D, of course) on a particular road close by my workplace.

So it's quite certainly true
 
I don't know about grip but I love them. Splitscreen with my friend on cape ring he lowered an slr too much and flipped on those lips 4 times is one lap.
 
the only thing i've noticed with it is that the wheel's not on the road will spin more and thus have less grip while the ones on the road grip and spin less resulting in more / tighter turning.

same thing can be created with a LSD, that's what it's there for.
 
Watch some of the replays from round 1 of GT Academy US and you can see most top running drivers will hook the curb when they can around Cape Ring. If not some extra grip(you are essentially banking the car also, so you are reducing the load on the loaded tire and making the inside tire do more work, which is desirable), you are also cutting some of the corner "legally"(2 wheel still on pavement).
 

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