Do you have to 'grind'

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Sounds lovely! How do I do this? Limit myself to 2 races per week and spend the rest of the time admiring my museum cards and horns collection? :sly:

Because the finish line for career mode is awefully near to the starting grid: it's a very short race if you don't go online.
Read my post again. Note that I said "Without time restraint" meaning that if you have no plans on finishing the game in a month or so of buying it or starting an entirely new game, you don't have to grind, just try to have fun. You should not have to be objected with sitting for hours upon hours doing the same thing over and over again, and contrary to the arguments made on the forum thousands of times about grinding being such a huge issue with the game, you don't have to. There is more than just A/B-Spec to earn money. You can do Special Events, Seasonal Events, sell cars that you don't drive (Ones below half a million, but still), and I know you don't care for this, but online. In contrast, Gran Turismo 3 only has A-Spec racing and selling cars to earn money, that's it. Basically, only play when you feel like it, don't let the XP and the price tag of race cars force you to repeat the events over and over again for the sake of getting that and not having fun.

I'll also leave you with this. I have done more grinding in Gran Turismo 3 then I have with Gran Turismo 5.
 
Well I think that PD could give a reasonable amount of credit and xp for online as then less of the grind is in Aspec, but I only consider it grinding if you are doing the same race over and over in the same car. Also they could have made the AI alot harder, but that is a different topic haa :P
 
Ha ha, well just think of all that fun you get to have before racing the 24-hours of Nurburgring :lol:

As much as I'd like to try one of those, I'm not sure my wife would ever allow it. She'd probably turn it off and make me come to bed about 17 hours in.

:mad: Thats exactly what my wife has done with Bob on more than one occasion. I've been B-Spec grinding and she keeps turning the PS3 off when I go to work. Not happy.

I'm not too bothered about achieving lvl40 A-spec. I much prefer to race what I want than spend all my time being frustrated that I am still millions and millions of xp short.
 
My question,

In order to get to level 40 Aspec, is it absolutely necessary to 'grind'?

So if you got gold in everything apart from seasonal events, what would be your total xp? And what xp is needed for level 40?

A search came up with nothing relevant.

Edit, just seen the total xp needed for level 40, top of forum :P 7,576,732, (could have made it a round number PD)
Simple answer... Yes!

I'm at A-Spec level 30, the only races I have left are the endurance races. Special events... dull, licenses... dull, online races... about as interesting as racing the midget in the Indy 500. It's still just a bunch of "something" controlled opposition that you don't know, so it may as well just be AI.

The only thing that made any part of the game interesting, were the restricted seasonal events. The whole A-Spec career should have been based on a restricted entry career... like real life racing. You try entering a "hot hatch" race in real life, using a 900BHP Bugatti Veyron, like you can in GT5... see how far past the entry gate you get.

It should have been a balanced, structured career, based round experience/license restricted entry, with very specific race requirements. It basically should have been something that showed us that PD put a bit of thought into it, rather than throw a few races, into a pointless set of categories.

I knew that the minute GT5 comes out of my PS3, it will never go back in, so I wanted to earn as much as possible before it did. Yes, I want to fast track it, because there are other, better games to play now, and there will be more better games to play soon.

I bought GT4 for £1.46 yesterday, it is now in my PS3, GT5 has had its time. I won't be playing GT5 in a years time, because there will be at least 5 better racing games in the space of the next 12 months, you can guarantee it. So why would I want to still play a lesser game?
 
And like I mentioned I'm not interested in online gaming. It's a poor substitute for a proper career mode like in GT4. I haven't been interested in online gaming since my Quake II days.

Again, it's a sad state of things when online gaming makes developers so lazy that they don't even try to create a compelling offline mode anymore... 👎 :grumpy:
That's the way things are going these days, haven't you realized that? If any more development time had been diverted to offline, MANY more people would be angry/sad/disappointed etc. And rightly so.
I wonder if there are some people out there who think that Call of Duty is the most successful game series of all time because of the single player campaigns.
 
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I just glitch to Level 40 :D
Probably classifies as grinding, as all you do is go in circles, but it yields lots of XP and money.
 
That's the way things are going these days, haven't you realized that? If any more development time had been diverted to offline, MANY more people would be angry/sad/disappointed etc. And rightly so.
I wonder if there are some people out there who think that Call of Duty is the most successful game series of all time because of the single player campaigns.

I'd accept that to be the case if Online play had been implemented with a major attention to detail, or at least something approaching previous GT title's single-player modes.

Lots of things that you could come up with inside 5 minutes are missing, more still were missing at launch.

If ONline was such a crucial and massive part of GT5, why did it take a couple of months to implement credits/xp, pp, lobby-info etc? Not to mention the omission of things like mini-championship automation, or spec-cup, even the ability to see the specs and pp of your opponent cars.

I was hoping for so much more from the online element. I wanted the GT world to be brought to life online.


----TBH I was also hoping for a slightly less laggy netcode too, or at least something that would stop the cars making those bizarre movements from time to time as they did in Prologue.


IMHO the answer to why A-Spec is a bit lacking, is B-Spec.
For some reason they decided that this ridiculous game mode doubled the offline "campaign" (for want of a better word) lifespan.

So don't blame the online element, which is probably as lacking in imagination, innovation and complexity as you could possibly make it.
 
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I hear ya. But I think GT5 represents tremendous progress in online gaming...for a Japanese developer. I don't play many games these days and correct me if I am mistaken but it seems like Japanese game developers don't focus on online gaming very much.

I think it says quite a lot that a developer could be drawn out of their cultural comfort zone because their game series is so celebrated. Don't get me wrong, your money doesn't care where a game is made so it could well be that we'd all have gone back to Forza3 by now. But I don't get the sense that many have. We'll see where Forza 4 (4za, Fourza?) take us!

Japanese developers dominated in the days of the original Playstation and before, I hope they can pioneer once again.
 
Wow, lots of people really don't get the point.

It's not about getting to 40. It's about being done with the game by the time you hit 34. After that point you've done virtually everything there is to do at least twice. The game is way too short, resulting in a grind because the game leaves you wanting more... but there isn't anything more. Just repetition.

Ofcourse I would love to enjoy this game for years. But how am I supposed to spread 2 weeks worth of content over 2 years? By limiting myself to playing only half an hour per week?
Well, you're telling me that I don't get the point, that it's not about getting to level 40 -- then you mention another arbitrary number that isn't really needed to 'do' anything. If it's not about the numbers, then you're never really 'done' with everything. You seem to be looking for another challenge to be presented to you by the game developer at this point, but you actually have another 10,000 challenges available to you. Just because there isn't another level called 'ultra-expert' doesn't mean the game has ended.

Forza is actually very similar, as far as its career mode is concerned. You get to 50th level, you've won all the prize cars, now you're done, right? Not at all! I've spent ten times as many hours on the game since 'completing' the career mode -- but it's necessary to go out and find the challenges.
 
The closest I've come to what some may call "grinding" is going into the tuner forums, buying a car, and checking out the tune (I don't have the skill yet to tune 'em myself, but that's another time sink altogether). It's kinda fun to take a fully tuned car and seeing what you can do with it.
 
If GT5 were like the other GT's, I would race each car until it paid for itself. Too bad that's almost impossible in GT5 because you can't win multiple cars over & over again.

Yup. Apparently, and much to my dismay, Yamauchi seems to have taken a few pages from Steve Jobs' guide on how to put strangleholds on your customers and their wishes, for no logical reason. When you add other things like the broken promise of GT5P cars & credits carrying over, car trading caps, a few engine sounds that aren't even close, and basic features of the previous 4 games MIA, I can't help but feel somewhat hosed.

I'm not a total hater though, as I've bought and beat every GT game thus far, and will continue to do so. I'm a mechanic/car tuner IRL, and I'll always be playing these games. GT5 has however, left a bitter taste in my mouth, which might never completely go away. :yuck:

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Well, you're telling me that I don't get the point, that it's not about getting to level 40 -- then you mention another arbitrary number that isn't really needed to 'do' anything.

Level 34 is hardly arbitrary. It's when you've unlocked the last event a sane person wants to do witbout a save button. By the time you've reached that you will have done all available events with many different cars already. That's when dull repetition will set in if you want to build your car collection.
 
I'm on level 32 and honestly, I don't want to grind at all, and I'm not going to. Rather I'll just reap the benefits of a level 40 B-Spec for that extra car or two. And then just do whatever race I want.

The European championship in the extreme events is thousands of times more fun than the Indy, twice as time consuming, it is much more fun. I might do Schwarzwald League B later on if I want to try out more powerful European cars or challenge myself on the nurg with slower Euro cars.
 
If it wasn't so sad I'd lol hysterically, whenever someone comes out to say that you need to go online racing. :grumpy:

GT5 is a game that CAN be played online, not must be played online, so basically, while online racing is a nice-to-have, the games quality is still to be judged with the LAN cable unplugged and that's when the excrements collide with the rotating cooling device.

Let's have a look at the game if you play it offline, shall we? Let's see if grinding is necessary:

Pretending you are REALLY good and golded all licenses and all special events available thus far, you'll be somewhere near LVL 20 with a Million in your coffers and a dozen of cars in your garage.

That's where the first problem hits. If you already have installed the "evil patches" (1.06 and 1.07), you will have either no chance to gold some licenses and events or you'll have to repeat them endlessly until you somehow scrape below the gold time by sheer luck - I consider that forced grinding. This is, because they now FORCE YOU to use the ridiculous ASM electronic nanny in licenses and special events, which makes some events ridiculously difficult. Sorry Kaz, if I want to be constantly told what I can do or can't do and want to be subject to arbitrary limitations, I either buy an Apple or relocate to Belarus. 👎
And before the first one comes out of the wood work, telling me that I'm not forced to gold everything and that I'm unworthy anyways and gold is only for the "real l33t chauffeurs": A game that opens its full content only to a small minority of its users can safely be called mis-designed. I'm not saying you shouldn't have to work for the golds, but they should be realistically attainable, which some of them are not.

Back to the topic at hand. So let's say you've golded everything that has been unlocked so far, then you'll faceplant the brick wall very soon again, when trying to run all the races in the Beginner hall. You'll be missing cars for the 2 historic race events (european, japanese). Now you have two options:

a) you keep advancing days until some appear in the UCD. That in itself is a grind - a repetitive, forced upon you, time wasting activity.

b) you delve into the ridiculous B-Spec mode until you have advanced your driver enough to win the Dome Zero. That's all jolly funny, if you find it acceptable to buy a "real driving simulator", only to sit and watch an incompetent binary dimwit hurling its car into the armco for hours. I'm not ok with that and watching B-Spec mode is just another form of grind.

If you make it past this point without losing your last bit of faith in the fanchise, you'll hit another brick wall (i think) after the Indianapolis endurance race, when you only have some endurance races left and your level does not suffice to enter them. That's when "the grind" begins, because you'll have to re-run races just to advance your XP-meter. And it's rightfully called a grind.

Now some might argue that you reached that point in every GT title, which is only partially true. I never had to grind races just to be able to enter the next one. The licenses took care of that and besides, unless you restricted your GT5 playtime very heavily, not more than a month or two will have passed since your first A-Spec race. That's the end of the offline career. I seem to remember that GT2 lasted me several months and I was the worlds most laziest student back then, so I had VERY MUCH time to play.

So here we are at the long winded stories conclusion: In offline mode you'll have to grind heavily in many different facets if you want to enjoy all of the games meager content. The online racing might save it for those, who have a broadband internet connection (which not all have), but as an offline product GT5 is broken, flawed and not worth even half the money we've payed for it.

Take a look at Forza 3's event list - That'll keep you busy for many months, so GT5's shortcomings are not down to technical limitations, they are a result of uninspired and inept design.
 
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If it wasn't so sad I'd lol hysterically, whenever someone comes out to say that you need to go online racing. :grumpy:

GT5 is a game that CAN be played online, not must be played online, so basically,

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Take a look at Forza 3's event list - That'll keep you busy for many months, so GT5's shortcomings are not down to technical limitations, they are a result of uninspired and inept design.

Thank you! I was starting to feel like I was the only one who doesn't find the online aspect of the game a good enough excuse for the offline trainwreck they call A-spec. 👍

PD has gotten incredibly lazy on us and the fanboys keep justifying it by pointing to online - which I consider an even bigger waste of my time than grinding Indy for credits :ouch:
 
Thank you! I was starting to feel like I was the only one who doesn't find the online aspect of the game a good enough excuse for the offline trainwreck they call A-spec. 👍

PD has gotten incredibly lazy on us and the fanboys keep justifying it by pointing to online - which I consider an even bigger waste of my time than grinding Indy for credits :ouch:

I fully agree with your post and dschoene's. And btw, dschoene, you can win the Dome Zero in the Super Car Nostalgia Cup in A-spec, but other than that, you're totally right.

Now, for the part I put in blod. I especially agree with this part, online is just terrible in it's current state. I played GT5 online this past weekend, and every room I went to, EVERYONE was using Racing Softs, so if I wanted to be competitive at all, I had to go back and waste time buying Racing Softs for several of my cars. Who wants to do that? 👎

This is why we NEED matchmaking added at least so no one will be in control of restrictions. I would love to see online events like the ones in Prologue with PP and tire restrictions so things can be more tolerable.

And another funny thing the GT5 apologists say is just because GT has online now, that's the perfect excuse to make a poor carrer mode. Sorry, but but that is far from a good excuse. GT5 is not the first and only racing game with online. Burnout 3, Burnout Paradise, Midnight Club 3, Midnight Club LA, Forza 3, NFS Shift. These are just SOME of the racing games I've played that had online capabilities just like GT5, but still had great and enjoyable single player modes. If these games can do it, why can't GT5?
 
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And another funny thing the GT5 apologists say is just because GT has online now, that's the perfect excuse to make a poor carrer mode. Sorry, but but that is far from a good excuse. GT5 is not the first and only racing game with online. Burnout 3, Burnout Pardise, Midnight Club 3, Midnight Club LA, Forza 3, NFS Shift. These are just SOME of the racing games I've played that had online capabilities just like GT5, but still had great and enjoyable single player modes. If these games can do it, why can't GT5?
Yes, I know, everyone who enjoys the game is an 'apologist'. That's a little insulting, don't you think? It seems they're finding the game to be fun, in spite of its flaws -- this makes them 'apologists'?

There's an old expression that "bored people are boring". If you're bored, well...fact is, there is an almost infinite number of challenges, if you choose to challenge yourself. Just like Forza, career mode ends fairly quickly. Forza's life is infintely extended by running in a racing league with just 8 guys. GT5 can do the same thing with 16 players! We're starting our 4th season shortly, and we've run classes from LMP to GT2 to DTM to vintage sports cars -- 60-90 minute races once a week, and we tune all week long, and we have a freakin' blast.

So, forget random online rooms. Quit playing 'victim' like PD did you some great disservice, get off your a$$es and form a racing league that challenges you daily -- it's all built into the game, you big babies!
 
Yes, I know, everyone who enjoys the game is an 'apologist'. That's a little insulting, don't you think? It seems they're finding the game to be fun, in spite of its flaws -- this makes them 'apologists'?

Maybe the term "apologist" is wrong, but you prove some of his points anyways...

There's an old expression that "bored people are boring". If you're bored, well...fact is, there is an almost infinite number of challenges, if you choose to challenge yourself. Just like Forza, career mode ends fairly quickly. Forza's life is infintely extended by running in a racing league with just 8 guys. GT5 can do the same thing with 16 players!

Wrong: As I wrote earlier. Have you taken a look at Forza 3's event list? I didn't count them, but on first glance it looked like about 150-200 events with at least 3 races each, ranging from one-make events to manufacturer cups one-on-one duels on p2p tracks, enduro's the lot...
GT5 has what? 45 events, some of them consisting of only one race. Simple math tells you, which the better one is. And what use are 16 opponents if 14 of them are utterly uncompetitive and you do battle against a single car?

We're starting our 4th season shortly, and we've run classes from LMP to GT2 to DTM to vintage sports cars -- 60-90 minute races once a week, and we tune all week long, and we have a freakin' blast.

So, forget random online rooms. Quit playing 'victim' like PD did you some great disservice, get off your a$$es and form a racing league that challenges you daily -- it's all built into the game, you big babies!

Just the point. Online mode again. I'll try to keep it simple for you: What about people without broadband internet? Ever tried online racing using a UMTS connection or a 128 Kbps ISDN line? Not everyone CAN or WANT's to do online racing and for those people GT5 is a bit of a grind.

Perpetually pointing to the online mode is like saying: "Yes your car's engine is broken and it only gets you a 50 mile range on a tank, but look, you can really load a lot in its enormous boot." Which is a bit pointless with a crappy engine.

So what you're saying is, that GT5 is no grind, if

a) you have a stable high-speed internet connection
b) you have a reliable set of buddies to race against

If one of these requirements is not met, your point is a bit hollow, isn't it ?

So, forget random online rooms. Quit playing 'victim' like PD did you some great disservice, get off your a$$es and form a racing league that challenges you daily -- it's all built into the game, you big babies!

Read above. And just a small hint, Sir. If you complain about being insulted and ending your post in such style hints at a significant lack of maturity (in my opinion). As I said, a significant portion of GT5 buyers cannot form or join online racing leagues. And for those PD actually did a disservice, because online racing is the only thing in GT5 that really works, sort of. GT3 and GT4 also had network racing capabilities (albeit not via inet), which were used quite extensively and extended the GT mode's lifetime infinitely, but the games still provided a longterm quality product for those, who couldn't use this one of many feature. GT5 doesn't provide that. It has only network racing and a very inferior short-time challenge for many, which I call a classic disservice - maybe not to the customer, but definitely to the franchise.
 
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Yes, I know, everyone who enjoys the game is an 'apologist'. That's a little insulting, don't you think? It seems they're finding the game to be fun, in spite of its flaws -- this makes them 'apologists'?

There's an old expression that "bored people are boring". If you're bored, well...fact is, there is an almost infinite number of challenges, if you choose to challenge yourself. Just like Forza, career mode ends fairly quickly. Forza's life is infintely extended by running in a racing league with just 8 guys. GT5 can do the same thing with 16 players! We're starting our 4th season shortly, and we've run classes from LMP to GT2 to DTM to vintage sports cars -- 60-90 minute races once a week, and we tune all week long, and we have a freakin' blast.

So, forget random online rooms. Quit playing 'victim' like PD did you some great disservice, get off your a$$es and form a racing league that challenges you daily -- it's all built into the game, you big babies!

Okay, first of all, I don't want to risk getting into a pointless argument. This will be my only reply to your posts.

Second, by apologists, I'm not talking about people who enjoy the game. I'm talking about people who come up with any lame excuse they can for this game's shortcomings. Sorry if I came across as calling the former that.

And at least Forza has plenty of events. I accidentally deleted my Forza 3 save recently and I'm starting over. I almost didn't feel like playing over again after I lost all my cars and liverys I bought. But to my surprise, I enjoy starting from the bottom again. If GT5's career wasn't so short and had enough events to support the level system, and didn't have all these other nagging problems (like not being able to save during championships and enduros) I would play it over again too. And I even tried "making" my own events in GT5 just for fun, but the AI is not good enough. I wanted to make my own mini-enduro by doing a one-make race with the Lupo Cup Car and Eiger with rain. Unfortunately, even when using the same exact car and tires as the AI, I still was ahead of them by a lot early in the race and didn't even finish because it got so boring. :indiff:

You're right racing leagues ARE fun. In fact, as you can see by my sig, I'm looking forward to doing spec Miata races. However, I shouldn't have to participate in races organized in advance EVERY time I want to play. Another problem with GT5's online is it's a pain to search for the kind of room I want. This is another reason why matchmaking is a must for me. Not to mention, it's a feature in the game they PROMISED, since it's written in the game's manual. So they do owe me that.

But anyway, to each his own. If you love GT5, I have no problem with that. :)
 
Maybe the term "apologist" is wrong, but you prove some of his points anyways...



Wrong: As I wrote earlier. Have you taken a look at Forza 3's event list? I didn't count them, but on first glance it looked like about 150-200 events with at least 3 races each, ranging from one-make events to manufacturer cups one-on-one duels on p2p tracks, enduro's the lot...
GT5 has what? 45 events, some of them consisting of only one race. Simple math tells you, which the better one is. And what use are 16 opponents if 14 of them are utterly uncompetitive and you do battle against a single car?



Just the point. Online mode again. I'll try to keep it simple for you: What about people without broadband internet? Ever tried online racing using a UMTS connection or a 128 Kbps ISDN line? Not everyone CAN or WANT's to do online racing and for those people GT5 is a bit of a grind.

Perpetually pointing to the online mode is like saying: "Yes your car's engine is broken and it only gets you a 50 mile range on a tank, but look, you can really load a lot in its enormous boot." Which is a bit pointless with a crappy engine.

So what you're saying is, that GT5 is no grind, if

a) you have a stable high-speed internet connection
b) you have a reliable set of buddies to race against

If one of these requirements is not met, your point is a bit hollow, isn't it ?
Hollow? Not at all. Online mode is just one aspect of a nearly infinite game. Just because A-spec is finite doesn't mean that the game is equally finite. The replayability is unreal, if you're willing to challenge yourself. I used the online races as an example of "there's more you can do", but I haven't even started going online in GT5 yet -- because there are so many challenges to try offline.

Forza 3's event list is long, but its career mode isn't. I hit 50th level a long, long time ago, and now career mode is just a repetition of R1 races. You find your fun in the replayability of the game, and if the game is built to handle replayability, you'll hardly ever run out of things to do. GT5 is just as replayable offline as Forza -- has nothing to do with a broadband connection.

If you find that 14 opponents are uncompetitive, what does that tell you about your car/setup? Maybe that you could use a weaker setup to be challenged more? Or are we expecting that PD has anticipated each of our skill levels exactly? It's built into the game for us to be able to find challenges. If you can't find a challenge, it's the fault of the player. Here's an analogy:
You're in a room with no door, and one big window.
You say "I can't get out. The designer didn't put in a door."
Someone says to you "If your goal is to get out of the room, you could go out the window, and it opens right up..."
You say "I can't get out -- there isn't a door."
Whose fault is it when you don't get out of the room?

Find the challenges -- they're built in throughout the game. Get out of the rigid box that says "overpower race A, overpower race B, get bored at point C and complain". You have a thousand cars to play with (call it 700 if you pull out ultra-similar cars), and race the digital doors off the stupid things. There are a million things to do if you don't have a broadband connection, and two million things to do if you do have a broadband conenction.
 
as an offline product GT5 is broken, flawed and not worth even half the money we've payed for it.
Absolutely unreal.

How many hours have you played this game?

If I go to a 2-hour movie, I pay $4.50 an hour for entertainment, even if the movie stinks. I pay for gas to and from the theater, I probably get a snack while I'm there, and it all adds up to a lot more than $4.50 an hour for movie entertainment.

This game has been out what, 4 months? At just 1 hour a day, and assuming a price of 60 dollars, I've paid $0.50 an hour. If you play 2 hours a day, it's $0.25 an hour.

So, how many hours would you say you've played this awful, broken, flawed, not-fun game?
 
Forza 3's event list is long, but its career mode isn't. I hit 50th level a long, long time ago, and now career mode is just a repetition of R1 races. You find your fun in the replayability of the game, and if the game is built to handle replayability, you'll hardly ever run out of things to do. GT5 is just as replayable offline as Forza -- has nothing to do with a broadband connection.

Sorry to be so blunt, but either I'm a window licking idiot or there some huge logical mistake in your argument.

Let's say I start playing Forza 3 and GT5 simultaneously. By the time I hit level 34 in GT5 and have to start grinding to get to the remaining 5 races, I'll probably have done about maybe 35% or 40% of Forza's races. So in F3 the challenge is to run the remaining 60% of available races.

What's the challenge in GT5? Winning the sunday cup with a car 50hp weaker than last time? And then trying with a car 70hp weaker? Basically re-running all previously contested races until I find a car crappy enough to give the AI bozos a shot at winning? That's the whole point of my being urinated off at GT5's GT mode. After a month almost everything's been raced and all that's left is to rerace everything setting yourself silly challenges. :crazy:

Here's an analogy:
You're in a room with no door, and one big window.
You say "I can't get out. The designer didn't put in a door."
Someone says to you "If your goal is to get out of the room, you could go out the window, and it opens right up..."
You say "I can't get out -- there isn't a door."
Whose fault is it when you don't get out of the room?

One missing point. I bought GT5 based on what I know GT2, GT3 and GT4 are like. So to translate that into your analogy. I bought a house based on knowing what a house is like. So if I find myself in it with no door, but a big window - it's still a FLAWED HOUSE. It's supposed to have a door and a competent designer would have put one in. What you are saying is that it is my fault for being too unimaginative to pretend my way around the products obvious shortcomings :lol:
If I'm in a house with no door, that I paid for, I'll kick the architects teeth in. I'm certainly not going to develop a habit of crawling in and out of it through the window.

*hillarious, man*
 
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One missing point. I bought GT5 based on what I know GT2, GT3 and GT4 are like. So to translate that into your analogy. I bought a house based on knowing what a house is like. So if I find myself in it with no door, but a big window - it's still a FLAWED HOUSE. It's supposed to have a door and a competent designer would have put one in. What you are saying is that it is my fault for being too unimaginative to pretend my way around the products obvious shortcomings :lol:
If I'm in a house with no door, that I paid for, I'll kick the architects teeth in. I'm certainly not going to develop a habit of crawling in and out of it through the window.

*hillarious, man*
Except that's a house's main function -- it doesn't function as a house if there's no real ingress or egress.

This is a game, not a house. Its function is to entertain, like a toy ball is meant to entertain. If you choose not to play with the toy ball (and there's no career mode with a toy ball -- the playability is completely open-ended), whose fault is it if you're not entertained? Call the NERF people! Their ball is no fun!

You have something completely open-ended, but you're mad at it because it doesn't play the way you want it to play.

Again, how many hours have spent with this awful game, not having fun?
 
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Except that's a house's main function -- it doesn't function as a house if there's no real ingress or egress.

This is a game, not a house. Its function is to entertain, like a toy ball is meant to entertain. If you choose not to play with the toy ball (and there's no career mode with a toy ball -- the playability is completely open-ended), whose fault is it if you're not entertained?

You have something completely open-ended, but you're mad at it because it doesn't play the way you want it to play.

Again, how many hours have spent with this awful game, not having fun?

Seriously man, where did I say that I didn't have fun? I say the fun stops way too early. As I said, I bought GT2, GT3 and GT4, all for less money at the time than GT5 costs now and I 'had fun' with them for months without ever running an event more than once or twice. So I paid even more money for GT5, but if I want to have fun beyond the short career mode, I'll have to do the same all over again, just with other cars. Remember, without online-mode you don't even have the seasonals.

Either I'm at fault in expecting that GT5 provides the same quality (and quantity) as it's predecessors or I paid more money for less content. :confused:

Oh and concerning one of your earlier posts. Who gives you the right to assume that I live in a "rigid box" of overpowering races? I've spent enough time to find cars to make it challenging. I object to that assumption.
 
I am at A-34, with 60 golds, and having fun driving around Nür in schwarzwald league b . in a real European car of my choice, (real BMW V12 will kiss that fake X2010 goodbye) as my grind, but I am no longer caring about reaching lvl40 in the current state of the game. I await a good DLC / Expansion pack to take me there, or just a years' time of casual driving. We'll all get to 40 this way.

What is the rush to get to 40 now? it will kill the joy, as I've seen done to many on this forum.

btw, From what I hear, Shift2 sucks.
 
A lot of people seem to be in utter denial about the flaws of this game.

Well.. no point in trying to convince them. They will at some point also figure out there's no exciting difference between doing the Japanese Championship with a '97, a '99 and a '02 Skyline.

So, forget random online rooms. Quit playing 'victim' like PD did you some great disservice, get off your a$$es and form a racing league that challenges you daily -- it's all built into the game, you big babies!

I can't become part of racing leagues because my days/evenings are highly unpredictable and I can not plan my gaming time with other people. Public rooms are utter suckage so I rely on offline for my GT fix. I play whenever I find a spare half hour and don't want to waste it looking for someone to race against.

What is the rush to get to 40 now? it will kill the joy, as I've seen done to many on this forum.

What on earth are you talking about? Nobody is in a rush to 40. The thing we're discussing (and that killed the joy for many) is the utter lack of things to do in this game.

Doing the same championship over and over with 50 different cars will get old for everyone but the hardest of hardcore GT fanboys. Seriously, that's not a very compelling proposition. At. All.

btw, From what I hear, Shift2 sucks.

Where is this review? Or are you just scared that the competition may one of these days take the slowly dying GT franchise out of its misery?
 
What's the challenge in GT5? Winning the sunday cup with a car 50hp weaker than last time? And then trying with a car 70hp weaker? Basically re-running all previously contested races until I find a car crappy enough to give the AI bozos a shot at winning? That's the whole point of my being urinated off at GT5's GT mode. After a month almost everything's been raced and all that's left is to rerace everything setting yourself silly challenges. :crazy:

Did you buy GT5 to check races off a "to-do" list, or did you buy it to drive different cars? If you did it just to beat every race event, it'll be a very short game obviously. Have you considered that they included 1000+ cars because they actually want you to experience a wide variety of cars on the tracks and events they have? I can run an event like Schwarzwald League B back to back to back with different cars and have it feel like a new event every time, because honestly, there's a different challenge to driving a RS6 Avant vs M3 vs R8.

Just the point. Online mode again. I'll try to keep it simple for you: What about people without broadband internet? Ever tried online racing using a UMTS connection or a 128 Kbps ISDN line? Not everyone CAN or WANT's to do online racing and for those people GT5 is a bit of a grind.

It's not PD's fault that you don't have the technological capabilities to take advantage of all of the features. You also can't do local multiplayer without another controller or enjoy 1080p without a compatible TV. Broadband internet is pretty ubiquitous and online gaming equally so. PD includes game features on the assumption that players will have the required equipment and capabilities to take advantage of them. I play online several times a week, and it's awesome 👍
 
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