Do you like how Qualifying has been implemented?
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I like it, but i think we should have more daily races with more variation, like one or two daily race with an actual qualifying with other drivers on the track, or something like this. 3 races not really that much anyways.
- 634
- United States
That seems a bit harsh. A lot of people work during the hours when FIA races are available. For myself, only the weekend is possible. So yes, it is "a huge ask" to show up 3 times a week during the available times. To be competitive, being able to enter most or all the races gives you a much better chance of doing well. That's an unfortunate reality for myself, since the FIA races are my favorite part of the game. It's not that I ever expect to win a season or even make it into a top 24 race. I love the qualifying, that you can only enter once, the points are tracked for a season, and there is some strategy involved. I don't care about the "Official FIA" designation or whatever reward is given to the eventual winner, I just really enjoy the format.
PD had their reasons to set the times they did and that's fine. I live with it and still love GTS, but a lot of people miss out on a great part of the game due to no fault of their own.
- 6,764
- Ontario
- SvennoJ
- SvenZ
I enjoyed them when they were starting from 9 pm to 1 am in my timezone, usually entering the 11 and midnight race. Now it's 5 to 9 and I can't do them anymore. 5 pm till 9 pm I need a pause button or a 4 lap race I can quit when needed and not be locked out to try again. Why can't it be 5pm until 1 am... Give me a chance as well.
- 634
- United States
I wish PD would stagger the FIA races, so you have Nations at 2:00, Manufacturers at 3:00, Nations at 4:00, Manufacturers at 5:00...... That way, FIA races are available from 2:00 to 11:00. Or even 2 hours between races, starting in the morning!
I agree somewhat @snow. Real life you get a specific time or a number of laps. Most times you can pull off and change whatever. Cars are still on the track and the clock is running. You can do 20+ laps or 1. Change tires 10 times if you want. Clock is still running. When the clock is up, your fastest clean lap is what you got. Like it or not. I have been in some races that you qualify and it is 2 sprint (short) races. Second race the grid is inverted. Meaning top qualifier starts last. Slowest guy starts 1st. Average finish is the winner.
- 1,876
- United States
My biggest thing at the current time is that the Sport races have seemed to have gotten so much worse such as finding a clean race since the holidays and influx of so many new racers that the matchmaking really needs to do a better job.
Just one of the problems I think is that many are able to throw together a flying lap which is placing them in faster and higher ranked lobbies many of those same people cannot in any way run consecutive laps of many within the lobby.
This is causing more to drive over their heads trying to race at a faster pace than what they are capable of doing and their mistakes, crashes, overshooting braking points and corners is part of why there are so many contact incidents in the races right now.
A better and more tightly governed and qualifying system could actually help to better sort a racers true pace where the end result would benefit all of the racers.
I know that it seems often I make more passes and advance more positions just by being consistent and passing the cars as they are off track rather than gaining positions by passing a car on track.
That is not racing, just not making mistakes and screwing up.
Since the holidays most any tight corner or chicane that requires a major speed reduction is a crapshoot whether you will be punted out of the way or off the track in a daily Sport race.
A better q system may not fix all the problems for sure but the first step is to get people in the race that actually are able to reliably run the lobbies race pace for more than 1 lap.
I really think that would help from some of the driving I have observed in recent sport races. DR and SR levels seem to matter less than ever to get a clean race as well.
Just one of the problems I think is that many are able to throw together a flying lap which is placing them in faster and higher ranked lobbies many of those same people cannot in any way run consecutive laps of many within the lobby.
This is causing more to drive over their heads trying to race at a faster pace than what they are capable of doing and their mistakes, crashes, overshooting braking points and corners is part of why there are so many contact incidents in the races right now.
A better and more tightly governed and qualifying system could actually help to better sort a racers true pace where the end result would benefit all of the racers.
I know that it seems often I make more passes and advance more positions just by being consistent and passing the cars as they are off track rather than gaining positions by passing a car on track.
That is not racing, just not making mistakes and screwing up.
Since the holidays most any tight corner or chicane that requires a major speed reduction is a crapshoot whether you will be punted out of the way or off the track in a daily Sport race.
A better q system may not fix all the problems for sure but the first step is to get people in the race that actually are able to reliably run the lobbies race pace for more than 1 lap.
I really think that would help from some of the driving I have observed in recent sport races. DR and SR levels seem to matter less than ever to get a clean race as well.
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- zzz_pt
I think everything is good as it is atm.
Dailies = no Qualifying, just your best practice lap.
FIA = qualifying before every race.
Some daily races don't even last 6 minutes (Maggiore East with the FT-1 for example, I was finishing the 4 laps at 5:55). If I had to spend 5min qualifying before one of those short dailies, I'd be racing almost as much as putting a Q lap in for each race. #aintnobodygottimeforthat I'd be wasting my time basically.
Dailies are there to race as much as you like to improve (or not) your DR/SR so when you go to the FIA races you can be on better lobbies and get more points. Just put in a decent practice lap and then do the races.
I think I get part of the argument tough. Sometimes, with the same practice lap time, you can get pole on one race and mid grid on the next. But that's part of the fun I guess. I'm not sure the grid would change significantly with a Qualifying session before each race to justify the time spent on it.
Dailies = no Qualifying, just your best practice lap.
FIA = qualifying before every race.
Some daily races don't even last 6 minutes (Maggiore East with the FT-1 for example, I was finishing the 4 laps at 5:55). If I had to spend 5min qualifying before one of those short dailies, I'd be racing almost as much as putting a Q lap in for each race. #aintnobodygottimeforthat I'd be wasting my time basically.
Dailies are there to race as much as you like to improve (or not) your DR/SR so when you go to the FIA races you can be on better lobbies and get more points. Just put in a decent practice lap and then do the races.
I think I get part of the argument tough. Sometimes, with the same practice lap time, you can get pole on one race and mid grid on the next. But that's part of the fun I guess. I'm not sure the grid would change significantly with a Qualifying session before each race to justify the time spent on it.
I agree that the matching system could be improved (not sure what the solution is) but I'm almost completely certain that qualifying times have no bearing on matchmaking.
I agree there seems to be a large chunk of drivers whose rating doesn't tally with their ability and this seems to produce seemingly poor matchmaking.
So perhaps they should start on nailing down the ratings system to reduce the instances of people gaming their ratings. Again I offer no solution.
PD won't disclose details of matchmaking/DR/SR because I think they (quite rightly) feel it will encourage/enable people to game the system more than they do now.
I always defended the DR/SR system BUT last week I chanced upon a major flaw/exploit which would explain the poor ratings/matching.
I won't disclose details but I (accidentally) managed to accumulate around 49,000 DR points in one night despite being matched only with C/D drivers.
For reference I always hovered around 10-20k DR and A/B SR, but when this "issue" was happening each race I won I gained insane amounts of DR which isn't right at all considering the (relatively poor) strength of field I was racing against.
All very odd, I've decided now just to ignore all the letters and just race how I race and the ratings will be the ratings.
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I agree there seems to be a large chunk of drivers whose rating doesn't tally with their ability and this seems to produce seemingly poor matchmaking.
So perhaps they should start on nailing down the ratings system to reduce the instances of people gaming their ratings. Again I offer no solution.
PD won't disclose details of matchmaking/DR/SR because I think they (quite rightly) feel it will encourage/enable people to game the system more than they do now.
I always defended the DR/SR system BUT last week I chanced upon a major flaw/exploit which would explain the poor ratings/matching.
I won't disclose details but I (accidentally) managed to accumulate around 49,000 DR points in one night despite being matched only with C/D drivers.
For reference I always hovered around 10-20k DR and A/B SR, but when this "issue" was happening each race I won I gained insane amounts of DR which isn't right at all considering the (relatively poor) strength of field I was racing against.
All very odd, I've decided now just to ignore all the letters and just race how I race and the ratings will be the ratings.
Edited for speeeeeling
Just a thought, maybe they should MAKE you qualify (5 flyers or 10 mins?) and then put people within certain time frames against each other. for example, if you dont qualify.... you get stuck with 11 others who did not either. If you ran a 55, you go into the race with 54.5 to 55.5. That way if you are really good, you are matched with similar people. If you suck or just basically screwed up your few Q laps, you are in a slower class.
Just thinking out loud. What they have now is just a video game, not a simulation.
my .02
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edit: sorry typing in silence.
Just thinking out loud. What they have now is just a video game, not a simulation.
my .02
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edit: sorry typing in silence.
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- United Kingdom
In FIA events this is how it works. You have timed qualifying on a full track.
- 175
- Australia
I think you need to qualify each race or each car you want to drive. There has been countless times when ive qualified one car in the morning but wanted to change later to a slower one to see how it goes. Your stuck with the faster q time with impatient faster people behind you when essentially you should be behind them
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- Braga, Portugal
- pedrocor
Qualifying in Daily Races is rubish.
Yesterday did my first gr. 1 sport races.
Out of the blank went with the 919 because I like the car, I'm a Porsche aficionado and really never really gave much thought on Gr. 1 cars. Actually I was under the impression that some cars with more power from the combustion engine, like Peugeot 908 or McLaren VGT would be fastest, despite heavier.
After putting a handful of laps on practice, qualified second for my race, to realize the Porsche 919 was the beast, as top 8 were all Porsche. The race didn't go so well because trolls seem to believe they can brake from 200mph to 60mph in the last 50 meters in every chicane :/.
On the second try I decided to go with the Toyota TS050 to see just how much was the difference and why. Another handful of practice laps, I was about a second slower but got the pole just because the time I had already set on the Porsche hours before. It's just silly, it benefited my in this case, but completely nonsense. Also there is no mention at all to other players on the race that time was with a different car.
On FIA races the system is fair. Yes, it's extra pressure and the other cars mean sometimes you aren't able to set a clean lap time. But that's racing. In real racing that's the same thing and sometimes you only have a single lap to set your final shootout qualifying time (like Nurburgring 24h Top30 qualifying, or Q3 on WTCC). Of course, in this case, the cars go one at the time to not interfere with each other.
But most cases, like Q1 in F1, WTCC, or the WEC, that just splits prototypes from GT, short sessions that don't give you much room to set the ideal lap with many cars on track is the usual.
Yesterday did my first gr. 1 sport races.
Out of the blank went with the 919 because I like the car, I'm a Porsche aficionado and really never really gave much thought on Gr. 1 cars. Actually I was under the impression that some cars with more power from the combustion engine, like Peugeot 908 or McLaren VGT would be fastest, despite heavier.
After putting a handful of laps on practice, qualified second for my race, to realize the Porsche 919 was the beast, as top 8 were all Porsche. The race didn't go so well because trolls seem to believe they can brake from 200mph to 60mph in the last 50 meters in every chicane :/.
On the second try I decided to go with the Toyota TS050 to see just how much was the difference and why. Another handful of practice laps, I was about a second slower but got the pole just because the time I had already set on the Porsche hours before. It's just silly, it benefited my in this case, but completely nonsense. Also there is no mention at all to other players on the race that time was with a different car.
On FIA races the system is fair. Yes, it's extra pressure and the other cars mean sometimes you aren't able to set a clean lap time. But that's racing. In real racing that's the same thing and sometimes you only have a single lap to set your final shootout qualifying time (like Nurburgring 24h Top30 qualifying, or Q3 on WTCC). Of course, in this case, the cars go one at the time to not interfere with each other.
But most cases, like Q1 in F1, WTCC, or the WEC, that just splits prototypes from GT, short sessions that don't give you much room to set the ideal lap with many cars on track is the usual.
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- 1,056
- Braga, Portugal
- pedrocor
This shouldn't be a benefit thing, in this case. Just because I incidentally gave a first try to the fastest car of the bunch simply meant I was "stuck" with a qualifying time that was beyond my ability in another car.
But in races with fuel and tire wear there are obvious benefits, as you can qualify in the faster car and race on the car which is easier on the tires and fuel.
Simply, the qualifying time should be set on the same car you actually enter the race.
- 2,321
- Wales
- TSR_GTWelsh
Some people just like some cars, and don't like to just flock to the "fastest BOP car of the day". So there is that, no idea if that was his reason or not.
Save different quali times for each car used. When you enter a race use the quali time from the car you're using. Pretty simple really.
I still think 5 mins or so quali before the daily is the way to go. I know they're short and sweet but 5 mins is 5 mins, it's not long.
That's an immensely good point. "Gaming" the game.
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- Netherlands
- Shottah072
- 2,321
- Wales
- TSR_GTWelsh
To get a better qualifying position so you can start the race in any car of your choosing in first place. which would be nice, because race pace is usually well slower than the daily practice time pace.
As it turns out the reason stated above is a better reason. Some cars are faster with bad tyre and fuel management. Set a time in the fast car, then switch to a car that is maybe easier to drive but a little slower and better on tyres and fuel. Faster over the course of the race, but slower on a 1 lap run.
- 2,632
- United Kingdom
Fair point 👍 but only for Race C...
I like the idea of tying qualifying time to the car. Seems an easy one to implement and fair.
Wouldn't mind qualifying before each race. 3 lap stint alone track time to avoid pre-race angst.
Also accept that this would be inconvenient for many due to time.
I'd prefer qualifying to be compulsory. But not a deal breaker. Just shows a bit of commitment. Won't stop sandbagging but at least you know the driver behind you knows the way to some extent.
I would like more FIA races over the course of a day or spread them out more at least. Shift worker. Shouldn't affect results as points are awarded relatively against competition afaik.
Wouldn't mind qualifying before each race. 3 lap stint alone track time to avoid pre-race angst.
Also accept that this would be inconvenient for many due to time.
I'd prefer qualifying to be compulsory. But not a deal breaker. Just shows a bit of commitment. Won't stop sandbagging but at least you know the driver behind you knows the way to some extent.
I would like more FIA races over the course of a day or spread them out more at least. Shift worker. Shouldn't affect results as points are awarded relatively against competition afaik.
- 1,876
- United States
Same situation can fit also when you have 1 car although capable of a fast hot lap the stability and being constantly on the ragged edge of crashing makes that car really not suitable to try to run over a full race distance due to the increased risk of a mistake or crash due to the characteristics of such cars handling,
There you use the "fast" car to start up front on the grid and a slightly slower but more stable car to run in the race.
It may not be but .6 tenths of a difference in lap times between the 2 cars but that could be the difference in starting 2nd or 11th on the grid.
That would not make any difference how long the race or whether fuel and tires were a factor or not, the racer has manipulated their qualifying time being higher by not qualifying the same car they are racing.
Easily rectified within the game by needing to race what you qualify.
