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Danoff, did you see Lost in Translation by Sofia Coppola?
Indeed. That's one of those movies that I'm sure I didn't get everything out of. Of course, I tried to understand as much as possible.
Danoff, did you see Lost in Translation by Sofia Coppola?
I can't agree with this one. There is art also to acting, cinematography, other eye candy stuff involved(SFX, actor/actress, action). If we were talking about novels or something, probably.Those are not analogous. You still hear ever note and see every stroke if you don't analyze each one. But if you're not understanding the movie, you're not even hearing most of the notes.
Danoff, did you see Lost in Translation by Sofia Coppola?
I can't agree with this one. There is art also to acting, cinematography, other eye candy stuff involved(SFX, actor/actress, action). If we were talking about novels or something, probably.
a6m5I do agree with your point of view, but Kyle is not an idiot. So if he watched a film like the Fight Club, he will get the general point without trying to dissect the film. Fincher(director) pretty much shoves it in your face.
Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but think "cowboy story, set in outer space"
All the themes are there.
The good guys are flawed,
Some of the bad guys aren't all bad, or are trying to make their way back to good. (See about half of Audie Murphy's old cowboy movies)
In the end, all that the good guys are trying to achieve is a home that is safe for little girls to walk down the streets unmolested at night.👍
And the citizenry can live free and pursue their simple dreams.
Yes my view is simple, but it's pretty much the same as many episodes of "Gunsmoke", "Bonanza", and "Have Gun will Travel".
sn00pieDanoff, did you see Lost in Translation by Sofia Coppola?
ZrowBeat me to the punch. One of my favorite movies ever. But to me, the most incredible thing about this movie wasn't even it's themes or symbolism in relation to the story.
It was about how it felt that really moved me. The movie just felt... familiar, I guess. I can't really put my finger on it, it just felt completely personal. I've never really connected with a movie like I did the end of that one (when he meets her on the street). It's a really powerful scene.
a6m5Fincher(director) pretty much shoves it in your face.
I have it on DVD.Have you seen The Game?
Was Fight Club a movie about some guys who hit each other? Or was it a comment on the importance of meaning, accomplishment, and emotion in life.
Davidbordwell.netNormally we say that suspense demands an uncertainty about how things will turn out. Watching Hitchcock’s Notorious for the first time, you feel suspense at certain points–when the champagne is running out during the cocktail party, or when Devlin escorts the drugged Alicia out of Sebastian’s house. That’s because, we usually say, you don’t know if the spying couple will succeed in their mission.
But later you watch Notorious a second time. Strangely, you feel suspense, moment by moment, all over again. You know perfectly well how things will turn out, so how can there be uncertainty? How can you feel suspense on the second, or twenty-second viewing?
I was reminded of this problem watching United 93, which presents a slightly different case of the same phenomenon. Although I was watching it for the first time, I knew the outcomes of the 9/11 events it portrays. I knew in advance that the passengers were going to struggle with the hijackers and deflect the plane from its target, at the cost of all their lives. Yet I felt what seemed to me to be authentic suspense at key moments. It was as if some part of me were hoping against hope, as the saying goes, that disaster might be avoided. And perhaps the film’s many admirers will feel something like that suspense on repeated viewings as well.
Psychologist Richard Gerrig in his book Experiencing Narrative Worlds calls this anomalous suspense: feeling suspense when reading or viewing, although you know the outcome.
Anomalous suspense has been fairly important in the history of film. One of the most famous instances in the early years of feature film is the assassination of President Lincoln in Griffith’s Birth of a Nation (1915). Griffith prolongs the event with crosscutting and detail shots in a way that promotes suspense, even though we know that Booth will murder Lincoln. Anomalous suspense, of course, isn’t specific to movies; we can feel this way reading a familiar book or watching a TV docudrama about historical events. Young children listening to the story of Little Red Riding Hood seem to be no less wrought up on the umpteenth version than on the first.
This is very odd. How can it happen?
One answer is simple: What you’re feeling in a repeat viewing, or a viewing of dramatized historical events, isn’t suspense at all. Robert Yanal has explained this position here. He suggests that you’re responding to other aspects of the story. Maybe in rewatching Notorious you’re enjoying the unfolding romance, and you attribute your interest to suspense. And there are feelings akin to suspense that don’t rely on uncertainty–dread, for instance, in facing likely doom. (This is my example, not Yanal’s, but I think it’s plausible.) Another possibility Yanal floats is that on repeat viewings, you have actually forgotten what happens next, or how the story ends.
I would like to put forward a suggestion that Fight Club is representative of the dangers of repressing masculinity and instinct. The actual Tyler (ie not the Brad Pitt Tyler) is trapped in a cyclic world where all instinct is suppressed. This encased masculinity is then embodied in the form of Brad Pitt Tyler, a physical manifestation of what is lacking in Tyler's life. To win back his identity he destroys his home and everything in it and creates the Fight Club as an outlet for the pent up primevil animalism welling up inside him. Project Mayhem and Fight Club is simply a medium for his release.
This Is Your Lifeand you open the door
and you step inside
we're inside our hearts
now imagine your pain
is a white ball of healing light
that's right, feel your pain,
the pain itself,
is a white ball of healing light
i don't think so
this is your life
good to the last drop,
doesn't get any better than this
this is your life, and it's ending
one minute at a time
this isn't a seminar
and this isn't a weekend retreat
where you are now
you can't even imagine
what the bottom will be like
only after disaster
can we be resurrected
it's only after you've lost
everything that you're
free to do anything
nothing is static,
everything is appalling (evolving),
everything is
falling apart
you are not a beautiful and unique snowflake
you are the same decaying
organic matter as everything else
we are all a part of the same compost heap
we are the all-singing,
all-dancing crap of the world
you are not your bank account,
you are not the clothes you wear
you are not the contents of your wallet
you are not your bowel cancer
you are not your grande latte
you are not the car you drive
you are not your ****ing khakis
you have to give up
you have to realise that someday you will die,
until you know that you are useless
i say let me never be complete
i say may i never be content
i say deliver me from swedish furniture
i say deliver me from clever art
i say deliver me from clear skin and perfect teeth
i say you have to give up
i say evolve, and let the chips
fall where they may
i want you to hit me as hard as you can
welcome to fight club
if this is your first night
you have to fight
Violence is a form of expression for Tyler. You could quite easily argue a case for Tyler being reminiscent of the Lost Generation, drifting aimlessly around America at the turn of the century. He escapes from the ties of his material possessions which are, in this day and age, the things that define us. He wants to be defined by his actions and it just gets out of hand, with one violent life-statement after another.
That's definitely in the right direction. There are some statements in there that I would disagree with, but the writers definitely got through to you. However, I don't think it can be summed up as "representative of the dangers of repressing masculinity and instinct." I doesn't have anything to do with repression of masculinity or instinct. It has everything to do with the search for meaning and feeling. Which is why he starts out by trying to connect at support groups.
I recently finished watching a movie called Big Fish - which was a fairly poor movie in my estimation, but I was stricken again with the notion that probably most of the people who watched the movie didn't understand the themes present in it. For example, if you don't understand the very last scene in the movie, where the fish swims away - you didn't get it.
The movie contained a series of highly inter-related stories that all fed off of each other and were remarkably consistent. I thought it was an incredibly dull subject and wasn't the slightest bit interested in the characters, but given the subject matter, the movie was well written and had some excellent metaphors (not the least of which was the big fish). I'm not going to pretend that I got everything out of that movie - I was barely interested in it, but I think many of the people who watched that movie didn't understand the main points it was trying to make despite the fact that some of them are literally explained to you during the movie.
...I've been having a frustrating discussion of movie analysis with a buddy of mine that got me thinking about this thread.