Does the new NSX ruin the name

[Pupik]

Now, this is just conjecture, but it seems to me that it is Acura bringing back a legendary name plate to cash out on, rather than Honda spending the proper time to thoroughly develop a true successor to the NSX.

Sorry, but the irony of this statement and your GTP username is too much to ignore...here, have a Mazda-branded lampshade.

Are you trying to suggest that the Eunos Cosmo wasn't a well engineered or technologically significant car?

No, that it was a Mazda Cosmo, and then the Eunos Cosmo. Hence, wood comes from...

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

True enough.

http://www.thestar.com/article/1115071--acura-nsx-hits-home-run-at-detroit-show

Development of the car is being shared between engineering groups in the U.S. and Japan, Ito said.

The company plans to export the vehicle from Ohio to Japan and other global markets and is still studying details of the new production site, he said.

“The market for sports cars is bigger in the U.S. and Honda is the first among Japanese carmakers to cross the line and transfer core vehicle production overseas.”

Does that not say to you 'Acura' rather than Honda? I don't trust Acura to do justice to the NSX name. I suspect it will be more Corvette than original NSX. Tuned primarily for the American market; heavier, softer, less focused, less driver intensive. An NSX originating from Ohio just feels wrong to me. Again, just me speculating away with little evidence because I want to.

Production and sales of the mid-engine V6 hybrid “super car” will start within three years

The decision to build the second-generation NSX was made prior to Japan’s March 2011 earthquake and tsunami, Iwamura said.

The last two get me. You could interpret those two statements many ways, but it seems to be that it will be a car with somewhere around 2-3 years of development in it. Considering the S2000 had something like 5 years and the original NSX had roughly 6 years, that seems a bit short. The Toyota GT-86 had working prototypes for mule work way back in 2008, four years ago. Especially considering the fact they are integrating a hybrid drive system that, while not being an industry first, is not exactly commonplace.



edit: found this

First, the automaker is resurrecting the rare-but-beloved Acura NSX “supercar.” And second, the new NSX will be designed and built in Ohio, not Japan, where the model’s previous iteration was built from 1990 to 2005.
Already, preliminary development work for the NSX has been handed off from Japan to Honda’s Center of Research and Development in Raymond, Ohio, about 140 miles northeast of Dayton, a Honda spokesman said.

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/n...da-to-build-nsx-supercar-in-ohio-1312775.html
Awesome. -___- Not expecting great things from an Ohio designed and built NSX. Sorry.

 

[Tornado]

Does that not say to you 'Acura' rather than Honda? I don't trust Acura to do justice to the NSX name. I suspect it will be more Corvette than original NSX. Tuned primarily for the American market; heavier, softer, less focused, less driver intensive.

That doesn't mean that driver-oriented models won't exist, nor do I see how that is even implied by those quotes in the first place.


You're also forgetting that the original NSX was the same way for the majority of its run in the U.S., and people didn't seem to mind. The only NSX that was given tuning akin to the Japanese models was the Zanardi Edition.

The last two get me. You could interpret those two statements many ways, but it seems to be that it will be a car with somewhere around 2-3 years of development in it. Considering the S2000 had something like 5 years and the original NSX had roughly 6 years, that seems a bit short. The Toyota GT-86 had working prototypes for mule work way back in 2008, four years ago. Especially considering the fact they are integrating a hybrid drive system that, while not being an industry first, is not exactly commonplace.

That door swings both ways. The Lexus LFA was in development for 5 years, and by the time it had finally came out most of the luster had gone.

 

[McLaren]

Does that not say to you 'Acura' rather than Honda? I don't trust Acura to do justice to the NSX name. I suspect it will be more Corvette than original NSX. Tuned primarily for the American market; heavier, softer, less focused, less driver intensive. An NSX originating from Ohio just feels wrong to me. Again, just me speculating away with little evidence because I want to.

Did you not read what I posted earlier? Even if it is a 50/50 split, Honda CEO Takanobu Ito is the man behind this project just as he was the lead developer on the original NSX.

Can't believe how many people constantly overlook this fact when they present the idea that the new NSX will be nothing like the old one. You don't trust Acura, but maybe you can trust the original NSX developer. If anyone knows how the new NSX should be developed in comparison to the old one, it's him.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

That door swings both ways. The Lexus LFA was in development for 5 years, and by the time it had finally came out most of the luster had gone.

Luster had gone? Evo concluded that it was better than the 599 GTO and CAR concluded it was an equal, and in someways better, than the Aventador? I don't see how that means the luster is gone. Although I think it was a mistake for Lexus to keep showing concepts while in development, especially a development that long. People get used to something, and after 5 years, it gets a bit boring. But the LF-A is not worse for it, objectively. To be conclusive, Lexus has sold all 500 LF-A's it made. That begs the question, to whom does the 'luster' really matter? Lexus achieved their goal and produced one hell of a car. Easily the best Japanese car ever made. No the long development time was worth it. How else are you going to take on the World's best on your first go, and come out on top.

Did you not read what I posted earlier? Even if it is a 50/50 split, Honda CEO Takanobu Ito is the man behind this project just as he was the lead developer on the original NSX.

Can't believe how many people constantly overlook this fact when they present the idea that the new NSX will be nothing like the old one. You don't trust Acura, but maybe you can trust the original NSX developer. If anyone knows how the new NSX should be developed in comparison to the old one, it's him.

I did read that. However, he is a business man above all. A lot of the magic that went into the original car will simply not be available now. Back during the late 80s, Honda had a hugely successful formula 1 program, they were partnered with Mclaren, and they had Ayrton Senna. Lexus obviously had little to none of these things when they started with the LF-A so it's far from impossible, but I don't see this as being a great like the original. I hope I'm wrong, because I love Honda (probably my second favorite Japanese car maker) and I want them to steer toward making exciting cars again. If this car could usher that in, regardless of how good it actually is, good job Honda. I think that is there main concern really.

If I'm totally wrong and this thing is truly legendary, I will take it back. In that case I probably wouldn't remember saying all this because of how awesome it was. I hope this is the case, but I'm a natural skeptic.

 

[McLaren]

I did read that. However, he is a business man above all. A lot of the magic that went into the original car will simply not be available now. Back during the late 80s, Honda had a hugely successful formula 1 program, they were partnered with Mclaren, and they had Ayrton Senna.

I think that's nothing more than an excuse & I don't recall McLaren having ever given any insight during the NSX's development. Both companies joined together in 1988 & by that point, the NSX was already 4 years old in development. 1987 or 1988 is also when the NSX switched to the C30A to compete with the 1989 Ferrari 348.

Senna's job was stiffening the chassis (which they stiffened even more with the Type S & Type R, so there was obviously still room for improvement which I believe one member has touched on). Besides, as another member said, it's not like they haven't unlearned what Senna taught them.

All I'm saying is have more faith in this car & the man than just brandishing it off because it has the NSX name. We know nothing about this car besides the SH-AWD, so I see nothing that should lead us to start predicting how this car will do. Maybe when the engine power, curb weight, transmission, etc. is released, we can come to a better conclusion of it being too heavy & what not.

 

[niky]

Don't see what the fuss is about, really. The NSX will be exactly what they want it to be. And we won't know what it will be till it finally comes out.

I think too much is made of the Senna (and Zanardi) connection... yes... the input of experienced racing drivers is helpful, but it's not categorically better (and in fact, sometimes it's worse) than the input of experienced development drivers.

Only time will tell how the NSX turns out. Look at the LF-A and R8. Nobody expected them to be as good as they eventually were, but they are, by all acounts, crackling good to drive. The McLaren MP412c, on the other hand, is made to the same ethos as the F1, by the same company, and with a strong connection to F1, but is, according to testers, a bit dull.

Again, reserving judgment till it comes out.

 

[homeforsummer]

Easily the best Japanese car ever made.

That's a hell of a claim for a limited-run, not-particularly attractive, incredibly expensive, slightly soulless supercar based on the results of a couple of road tests, and considering every other great car that's come out of Japan since they started making cars...

 

[Venom800tt]

I personally see no reason why this new NSX shouldn't be called an NSX. Times change, regulations change, tastes change. Not to mention as others have said very little is known about the car other than it has SH-AWD, a V6, and is mid-engined. I personally think the styling is plenty good for an NSX, since IMO original NSX wasn't exactly striking to look at either. It just looked good enough. I say wait till the car is driven before claiming it isn't worthy of being an NSX.

And since people keep mentioning the LFA... I like the LFA so much I bought a $150 model of the car <___<
Yes, I even think the LFA looks good.

 

[niky]

I think the styling is weird and eccentric, but it eventually grows on you. The only nit I have with it, really, is the same I have with the NSX concept, the need to tie the car's identity into the brand with styling cues that echo other cars in the range. (That.stupid.Acura.grille)

Which is not how you design a halo concept. With the concept, you pioneer a new style, which you then echo afterwards in the road cars.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I agree. Especially considering Acura's bland and rather terrible current identity.