Does the order of which you do the chassis and rigidity(rollcage) mods matter?

[KaiZen]

The scrolling info suggests that if you have installed a rollcage, then do a chassis refresher, the chassis will be brought back to how it was after the rollcage installation..

But if you were to do the chassis refresher first, then add a rollcage, will the chassis become even stiffer overall?

 

[hitman146]

no im afraid it won´t it will be just the same

 

[Lightsped]

I am confused, so we don't need to do both a chassis refresher and roll cage? Why have both options then? When a roll cage is installed, can you see it inside your car on replays?

 

[stumpydino]

i dont think the effect will change on the order you do them

 

[sukerkin]

Lightsped, the Rollcage mod is an entirely different operation than the Chass Refresh. The later corrects distortions in the chassis and bodyshell whilst the former actually adds rigidity to the car.

 

[psychedelic]

I always do a Chassis refresh when i buy a highpowered used car. It increases the performance of the car a lot!

 

[iREVhi]

Anyone having trouble with understeer after installing the roll cage??? I've noticed on certain cars I've been having an unusual amount of understeer.

Also, can you uninstall the rollcage? I didn't see a place in the settings for such?

 

[Scratch]

Anyone having trouble with understeer after installing the roll cage??? I've noticed on certain cars I've been having an unusual amount of understeer.

Also, can you uninstall the rollcage? I didn't see a place in the settings for such?

well if there isnt an option to unistall the rollcage i guess u cant do it... There is a warning before you install it, saying that might affect the steering or something.

 

[hitman146]

I am confused, so we don't need to do both a chassis refresher and roll cage? Why have both options then? When a roll cage is installed, can you see it inside your car on replays?

because one is cheaper so you can choose

 

[Warp3]

The "rigidity refresh" refreshes the chassis rigidity back to its "ideal" state. Doing the "increase rigidity" mod (i.e. the roll cage), simply increases the rigidity value of what the "ideal" state is. In other words, the cage increases the maximum possible level of rigidity, and the refresh bumps the actual rigidity back to 100% of the maximum (I'm assuming it goes back to 100%, but it may be less depending on how they programmed it).

From what I've read the rigidity refresh apparently needs to be redone after large amounts of mileage are put on the car (similar to an oil change, but needed less often). Apparently the checkmark on "rigidity refresh" will disappear when the car again needs this treatment.

 

[iREVhi]

^^^ Good Info!

 

[dan0h]

Apparently the checkmark on "rigidity refresh" will disappear when the car again needs this treatment.

Ahhh... I was pretty sure thats what would happen, anyone used a car enough with the refresh to find out for sure if it does disappear?

 

[bfifteenv]

Ahhh... I was pretty sure thats what would happen, anyone used a car enough with the refresh to find out for sure if it does disappear?

Yes, it sure does. I've hsd to do it a couple of times on some of my workhorse cars.

 

[Duke]

I have heard rumors that if you do the stiffening on an old car, it will be stiffened in its out-of-shape condition. I don't know if this is true or not but I'm always planning on doing a refresh on anything with more than a few miles on it before I add the cage.

 

[red_infinity]

Yeah, rollcage can add some serious understeer. This happens to me too. Maybe it's best for cars that tend to oversteer.

 

[KaiZen]

does anyone know if frequent brushes with a wall, at 100+mph, at perpendicular angles, effects the time it takes to perform a rigidity refresher??

 

[bfifteenv]

does anyone know if frequent brushes with a wall, at 100+mph, at perpendicular angles, effects the time it takes to perform a rigidity refresher??

I tried to test this one night. I did 20 laps on Hong Kong hitting every wall as hard as I could in my Jag XJ9-R and after 20 laps the refresh option was still unavailable. I didn't feel like doing 20 more laps of that kind of brutality to see if it became available. Plus I didn't really want to permanently mess up a 4.5 million CR. car.

I also was doing this in a "practice" session so doing it in a actual race may have different results.

I'd try again right now under race conditions, but I'm about 5 hours into the Le Sarthe 24... Maybe tomorrow.

 

[Eric.]

I have heard rumors that if you do the stiffening on an old car, it will be stiffened in its out-of-shape condition. I don't know if this is true or not but I'm always planning on doing a refresh on anything with more than a few miles on it before I add the cage.

Yeah, I believe that was somebody's problem here about a month back. He put a rollcage on the Minolta without doing a chassis refresh and the car went nuts. Just to be safe, do the refresh first. 👍

 

[step_one]

I have heard rumors that if you do the stiffening on an old car, it will be stiffened in its out-of-shape condition. I don't know if this is true or not but I'm always planning on doing a refresh on anything with more than a few miles on it before I add the cage.

Yeah, I believe that was somebody's problem here about a month back. He put a rollcage on the Minolta without doing a chassis refresh and the car went nuts. Just to be safe, do the refresh first.

OK, but next time you have to do the chassis refresh, the rollcage is already installed so you can't do it before any more.
If indeed the rollcage changes something, that change will be permanent after installation !


STEP_ONE

 

[Duke]

OK, but next time you have to do the chassis refresh, the rollcage is already installed so you can't do it before any more.
If indeed the rollcage changes something, that change will be permanent after installation !

When you do the Refresh, it returns the car to its correct values. But if you stiffen it while it's out of true, refreshing it later will return it to the incorrect values that you've stiffened into it.

If you refresh it just before you stiffen it, the corrected values are stiffened into it and subsequent refreshings will return it to those correct values.

I have no proof of this; it's just what I've heard. Sounds to me like it's worth doing, just to be sure.

 

[WodahsEht]

When you do the Refresh, it returns the car to its correct values. But if you stiffen it while it's out of true, refreshing it later will return it to the incorrect values that you've stiffened into it.

If you refresh it just before you stiffen it, the corrected values are stiffened into it and subsequent refreshings will return it to those correct values.

I have no proof of this; it's just what I've heard. Sounds to me like it's worth doing, just to be sure.

This is implied by the rolling description but I hope it's not true -- if so I've ruined a couple of cars at least It seems to me it would be more logical that the refresher puts the frame back to maximum rigidity regardless of the roll cage status.

Given the way the game works, I think it doesn't matter which order you do them in. This is kind of hard to express in words, but I'll try.

First, let's assign an arbitrary unit of frame rigidity, I'll call it FR. A brand new car has an FR of, say, 80.

When you buy a used car, it has an FR of, say, 60.

When you buy a roll cage it increases whatever your FR is by 25% (another guess.) Thus a new car with a roll cage has an FR of 100, a used car with a roll cage and no refresher plan has an FR of 75.

Okay, so you have a used car with a roll cage (FR of 75). Under the theory that the order matters, this car is locked at a max FR of 75, never able to reach the peak of 100 otherwise possible.

HOWEVER, the rigidity refresher plan is STILL available after installing the roll cage mod to an "unfresh" car. If the car is locked at a max FR of 75, and is currently *AT* 75 FR, then the refresh would become unavailable because it is already maximized. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that the car is NOT locked at 75 FR, and can reach 100 FR by applying the rigidity refresher plan modificaiton.

I hope that makes sense.

WodahsEht

 

[jimihemmy]

This is implied by the rolling description but I hope it's not true -- if so I've ruined a couple of cars at least It seems to me it would be more logical that the refresher puts the frame back to maximum rigidity regardless of the roll cage status.

Given the way the game works, I think it doesn't matter which order you do them in. This is kind of hard to express in words, but I'll try.

First, let's assign an arbitrary unit of frame rigidity, I'll call it FR. A brand new car has an FR of, say, 80.

When you buy a used car, it has an FR of, say, 60.

When you buy a roll cage it increases whatever your FR is by 25% (another guess.) Thus a new car with a roll cage has an FR of 100, a used car with a roll cage and no refresher plan has an FR of 75.

Okay, so you have a used car with a roll cage (FR of 75). Under the theory that the order matters, this car is locked at a max FR of 75, never able to reach the peak of 100 otherwise possible.

HOWEVER, the rigidity refresher plan is STILL available after installing the roll cage mod to an "unfresh" car. If the car is locked at a max FR of 75, and is currently *AT* 75 FR, then the refresh would become unavailable because it is already maximized. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that the car is NOT locked at 75 FR, and can reach 100 FR by applying the rigidity refresher plan modificaiton.

I hope that makes sense.

WodahsEht

If I'm reading your theory correctly, it would make sense to perform the refresher first because it take the car to maximum FR. Performing roll cage after that would increase that maximum by 25%(to use the numbers in the theory). Therefore, anytime you preform the chassis refresh, it will take your car back to its (new) maximum.
If you perform the roll cage before refresh, you would only increase by 25% of whatever number you were at.
example:
used car is at 60. perform refresh first, take back to 80. roll cage (25%)after=100

start at 60, roll cage (25%)=75, refresh would help up to 75, not 80 because 75 is your 'new' maximum

does that sound right?

 

[katana87]

Yeah, I believe that was somebody's problem here about a month back. He put a rollcage on the Minolta without doing a chassis refresh and the car went nuts. Just to be safe, do the refresh first. 👍

so thats what happend to my minolta, darn got to get a new one!!

 

[WodahsEht]

If I'm reading your theory correctly, it would make sense to perform the refresher first because it take the car to maximum FR. Performing roll cage after that would increase that maximum by 25%(to use the numbers in the theory). Therefore, anytime you preform the chassis refresh, it will take your car back to its (new) maximum.
If you perform the roll cage before refresh, you would only increase by 25% of whatever number you were at.
example:
used car is at 60. perform refresh first, take back to 80. roll cage (25%)after=100

start at 60, roll cage (25%)=75, refresh would help up to 75, not 80 because 75 is your 'new' maximum

does that sound right?

Negative. My theory is that it does not matter which order you do it in because the rollcage and refresher are completely seperate: refresher applies to the structural rigidity of the frame, and rollcage simply adds overall rigidity as a percentage to the total.

WodahsEht

 

[MoZqUiTo]

the same thing happnd to my Minolta...it waz near impossible for me to drive it. Yet my B-spec driver was pretty good wit it. After a few days, after messing wit the car a bit (suspension settings, gear ratios...), for some reason itz fine again. the last things i remember doing to the car before it fixed itself was trying to buy it rims (which you can't), changing the oil, and goin into the car wash, but exiting out without washin....seriously doubt that any of tht did the trick though. It jus "fixed itself".

Just refresh 1st, and don't risk messing your cars up.