Double whammy penalty for Speed

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Angry Speed tells DC where to go in point row.



Scott Speed has been fined $5000 by the FIA stewards after swearing at David Coulthard during a hearing that also saw him lose his eighth place for passing under yellows.

Speed passed Coulthard when the Red Bull Racing driver braked to avoid a crashing Tonio Liuzzi. In the post-race hearing the Scuderia Toro Rosso man thought that David and his team had launched a protest against him, and during the discussion reportedly told the Scot something akin to '**** off.'

This did not go down well either with the veteran driver – a man noted for his impeccable manners – or more to the point, the stewards, who called his behaviour 'wholly unacceptable.'

Speed will have done his position within Red Bull little good, as Coulthard is now an important player in the organisation, and as well as a highly respected senior member of the GPDA.

As he was leaving the track Speed would only say a brusque 'No comment' when we asked for his thoughts.

Although he didn't repeat what was said, Coulthard was a little more forthcoming about what happened on the track.

"Jacques and Tonio obviously had a coming together, and Tonio had his incident," Coulthard told Crash.net. "We were called up to the stewards because of Scott having changed positions during the incident. To be absolutely clear – because it was misunderstood – Scott thought we'd protested and we hadn't. The stewards called us up. They've looked at it and reversed the order so that I'm in front of him.

"The rules are quite clear. You can't overtake under yellow flags, so I knew that ultimately the stewards would do their thing. It's disappointing because I had Trulli sideswipe us on the first lap, and that wasn't so good either."

Red Bull team boss Christian Horner insisted that he had not made a complaint.

"Obviously there was a racing incident and both drivers were called in front of the stewards," he said. "The stewards have deemed that Scott overtook under yellows, and gets a penalty that promotes David. It's ironic that it's between drivers who are in sister teams, but there was no protest from this team.

"It was purely a racing incident that the stewards have dealt with. I'm sure they're going to score more points. They looked very competitive today. It was also ironic that it was Tonio's accident with Villeneuve that caused the yellow flags. You could never dream up a scenario like that…"

Although the Red Bull did not launch a protest – something that would involve paying a fee and filing a document – it is common during races for teams to pass on comments from drivers to race control, to ensure that incidents do not go unnoticed.

I'm liking this kid more and more. It'll be good to see him and Nico go toe-to-toe for the next few seasons. Although I'm thinking Nico to be a more naturally talented driver.
 
Nico definately has talent over Speed. I do like Speed but I can't say that I like him more for telling someone, especially DC, to "**** off." I'd have to say I like him a little less now. I do wish him good luck this season and I hope he scores some points.
 
you reap what you sow...he raced "dirty" by passing on yellow, i watched it with my own eyes. i dont like him any less but my respect level is definately reduced.
 
He's still early in his career. He'll learn from these mistakes and get better and better as he goes along.
 
graveslids
I'm liking this kid more and more.

Sorry, can you explain this statement? You like him even more because he verbally assaulted Coulthard and wrongly suspected Red Bull Racing of lodging an official protest against his actions?
 
Well, he did finish 3rd in the GP2 championship, so he really ought to know about yellow flags. The team should've told him to let DC back past as well, if Speed didn't know.
 
Scott told the Scot to Scot Off :lol:

Right, so I'll avoid reading news when I've had a few pints...
 
amp88
Sorry, can you explain this statement? You like him even more because he verbally assaulted Coulthard and wrongly suspected Red Bull Racing of lodging an official protest against his actions?

Yeah I can. I am a firm believer is saying what you mean, and meaning what you say. I personally would have chose a more appropriate way of expressing myself, but I like the fact that although new to F1, he refused to back down off of something he whole-heartedly belived in.

Right or wrong, and in this case wrong, Speed has a backbone, and a willingness to show it, which to me something lacking in the upper echelon of open-wheel racing. What it comes down to is that's nice to see some personality being thrown into the mix, versus everything being filtered through managers and statements being released by press corps. Once again, I do not condone what he said, but the fact that he had courage enough to say it.
 
*sobered up*

I personally think that telling someone to "**** off" doesn't show much personality nor maturity. In fact, it shows how immature and stupid he was.
 
While I don't think that Speed deserved to be penalised for the pass itself (they should have told him to back off during the race, and they batted an eye at Ralf Schumacher for passing 4 cars under Safety Car before the yellow came out), he certainly deserves the fine and I actually wish they would double it. One of the rules about Formula One is that you are mature in manner even when delt a blow. If he doesn't want to be, then he shouldn't be in F1, American or not. His behavior, to David Coulthard of all people, is quite frankly, rediculous.
 
graveslids
Yeah I can. I am a firm believer is saying what you mean, and meaning what you say. I personally would have chose a more appropriate way of expressing myself, but I like the fact that although new to F1, he refused to back down off of something he whole-heartedly belived in.

I'm also a firm believer in saying what I mean and meaning what I say. However, I'm also a firm believer in getting the facts and NOT verbally abusing my elders and people who I should be looking to gain experience and wisdom from. DC is the second most experience driver in F1 and his general attitude (while he can be a bit moany) is very good. He, of all people, doesn't deserve to be verbally abused.

graveslids
Right or wrong, and in this case wrong, Speed has a backbone, and a willingness to show it, which to me something lacking in the upper echelon of open-wheel racing. What it comes down to is that's nice to see some personality being thrown into the mix, versus everything being filtered through managers and statements being released by press corps. Once again, I do not condone what he said, but the fact that he had courage enough to say it.

Having a backbone is great and I'm all for it, but again, he never even asked anyone at RBR if they'd lodged the protest, he just assumed that everyone was against him and that his sister team was out to get him. What kind of attitude is that to have in F1? I don't see him going far if that's how he's going to conduct himself. Perhaps he'll prove me wrong...

I also totally agree with Diego on this one 👍
 
Dropout.
An American in F1?

Next you'll be telling me that pigs are actually capable of flying.

:rolleyes:

There are F1 Drivers Champions from the USA than from most countries in the world.
 
Dropout.
Someone missed the sarcasm. :D

That's cute.

Not missing the sarcasm, just pointing something out. A lot of people would be surprised with that stat (I see I missed out my smiley face at the end of the post though ;) )
 
amp88
There are F1 Drivers Champions from the USA than from most countries in the world.

There's Mario Andretti and Phil Hill; who else from America has won the F1 Drivers Championship?
 
Roo
There's Mario Andretti and Phil Hill; who else from America has won the F1 Drivers Championship?

Thats your lot

From memory the top ranking countries are

Great Britain - 12
Brazil - 8
Germany - 7
Argentina - 5
Australia - 4
Austria - 4
France - 4
Finland - 4
Italy - 3
USA - 2
Canada - 1
New Zealand - 1
South Africa - 1
Spain - 1

Appologies for any errors (but I don't think its wrong).

So that would make the USA tenth overall

Scaff
 
amp88
However, I'm also a firm believer in getting the facts and NOT verbally abusing my elders and people who I should be looking to gain experience and wisdom from.

I'm a firm believer in only giving people respect that they've earned (not that DC hasn't earned it). Being an "elder" or in a position of authority isn't "earning" respect.

My comment here has nothing to do with F1, just pointing out that age does not equal wisdom.
 
Scaff
Thats your lot

From memory the top ranking countries are

Great Britain - 12
Brazil - 8
Germany - 7
Argentina - 5
Australia - 4
Austria - 4
France - 4
Finland - 4
Italy - 3
USA - 2
Canada - 1
New Zealand - 1
South Africa - 1
Spain - 1

Appologies for any errors (but I don't think its wrong).

So that would make the USA tenth overall

Scaff

I thought so. Britain has 8 drivers who have won it; Brazil 3; Italy, Australia, Finland, Austria and USA have 2; New Zealand, Argentina, France, Spain, Germany, South Africa and Canada all have 1. So the USA is one of 7 countries to supply us with 2 or more F1 champions.
 
Scaff
Thats your lot

From memory the top ranking countries are

Great Britain - 12
Brazil - 8
Germany - 7
Argentina - 5
Australia - 4
Austria - 4
France - 4
Finland - 4
Italy - 3
USA - 2
Canada - 1
New Zealand - 1
South Africa - 1
Spain - 1

Appologies for any errors (but I don't think its wrong).

So that would make the USA tenth overall

Scaff

Well i'm guessing that you must be counting the amount of championship wins. i.e. Brittish drivers have won 12 championships.

As far as how many World Champions each country has produced...

GBR - 8
Brazil - 3
Italy - 2
USA - 2
Australia - 2
Austria - 2
Finland - 2
Argentina - 1
New Zealand - 1
South Afrcia - 1
Germany - 1
France - 1
Canada - 1
Spain -1
 
DQuaN
Well i'm guessing that you must be counting the amount of championship wins. i.e. Brittish drivers have won 12 championships.

As far as how many World Champions each country has produced...

GBR - 8
Brazil - 3
Italy - 2
USA - 2
Australia - 2
Austria - 2
Finland - 2
Argentina - 1
New Zealand - 1
South Afrcia - 1
Germany - 1
France - 1
Canada - 1
Spain -1

See statistics are wonderful things, you can do just about anything with them, including (in this case) put the USA on the same level as Italy, Australia, Austria and Finland.

Its just as much fun when you put them together, Germany is third in the list of all time number of championships, but all from one driver, the same for fourth place Argentina.


Scaff
 
Does anyone but me find it pointless when people earning millions a year are fined a few thousand bucks? I find it pretty stupid that Speed showed such little respect in a sport that is so dependant of others being respectful (read getting too close to open wheels).

graveslids
Yeah I can. I am a firm believer is saying what you mean, and meaning what you say. I personally would have chose a more appropriate way of expressing myself, but I like the fact that although new to F1, he refused to back down off of something he whole-heartedly belived in.
IMO, telling someone to F-off (or in similair terms) is not putting up a defence in an argument (or showing a back bone). IMO that's just saying something pointless because you have no argument to back yourself up.

Right or wrong, and in this case wrong, Speed has a backbone, and a willingness to show it, which to me something lacking in the upper echelon of open-wheel racing. What it comes down to is that's nice to see some personality being thrown into the mix, versus everything being filtered through managers and statements being released by press corps. Once again, I do not condone what he said, but the fact that he had courage enough to say it.
How does it take courage to tell someone to F-off? Especially in this instance. It's not like DC would have just turned round and beat the crap into him.
 
It's not a back bone he has, it's an attitude problem. that is not a good thing. Treat others as you would like them to treat you, is probably the best motto in the world, pity hardly anyone applys it. Scott was being a jerk, plain and simple, even if he had a valid reason to be pissed at DC, telling him to F off isn't professional, it's not sportsman like and it doesn't solve the problem, it fuels it.
 
Scaff
Thats your lot

From memory the top ranking countries are

Great Britain - 12
Brazil - 8
Germany - 7
Argentina - 5
Australia - 4
Austria - 4
France - 4
Finland - 4
Italy - 3
USA - 2
Canada - 1
New Zealand - 1
South Africa - 1
Spain - 1

Appologies for any errors (but I don't think its wrong).

So that would make the USA tenth overall

Scaff

Indeed, but how many countries are there in the world? ;)
 
ExigeExcel
Does anyone but me find it pointless when people earning millions a year are fined a few thousand bucks?
First off, I find it entirely pointless to fine mutli-millionaires what amounts to a scant few dollars.

ExigeExcel
I find it pretty stupid that Speed showed such little respect in a sport that is so dependant of others being respectful (read getting too close to open wheels).
It's funny, I "see" respect in the paddock, but on the track all I have seen is the equivalent of hyenas swarming upon lame beasts. In reality it comes down to massively egotistical (and in most repects massively talented) people flying around circuits trying to acheive personal glory. Not a single person in this world can convince me that if a driver had a chance to legally pass another, he would not pass due to respect.

Now granted what happened in the stewards meeting did not happen on the track, but it was a direct result of something that did. Speed has said since the race that to him (and STR) this was the equivalent of winning a race. Speed is pumped to be in the circus, pumped to be competitive for points, pumped to alive at this point directly after the race and is now looking at something that means so much to him being (rightfully) sumarily stripped away. I can fully understand the anger and frustration of his situation. Once again, cannot condone his outburst, but still must applaud him for fighting his own fight.

ExigeExcel
IMO, telling someone to F-off (or in similair terms) is not putting up a defence in an argument (or showing a back bone). IMO that's just saying something pointless because you have no argument to back yourself up.

How does it take courage to tell someone to F-off? Especially in this instance.

Perhaps it's a question of point of view. As I have mentioned several times earlier, I do not in any way condone what Speed has said, just that when confronted with the situation, his flight or fight tendency showed through. And from what I'm seeing this kid is scrappy, not mature in the way he handled hisself, but self assured enough to, from my perspective, defend (although poorly) his position. To me this is a good indicator of what to expect from him on the track. Hopefully some of the self-control (read:maturity) he has shown in his earlier races through other series will show through when bogged down in the middle of a good fight on track, but I look forward to seeing him battle his way the ranks of F1 to hopefully become a high ranking driver.

As far as everyone going on about how it's unfathomable that it was DC he tore into, I have to stop and ask, what has DC done that is so esteemable as to "demand" respect on a level that for all intents and purposes seems to rank directly DC below directly below a head of state? Yes, the man is a marvel in setting his chassis, and true assest for any team due to his technical inclinations, a dedicated tester and an all around quality pilot, a strong proponent for increased driver safety, but a World Champion? no. Which in reality is the measuring stick for what makes a pilot a pilot in F1.

Once again, it is perhaps my perspective, but I have never really seen much out of Coulthard that makes me rank him in the highest of the high. Do I think he could be an absolutely astounding Tech Director? With out a doubt. Is he doing an acceptable job as head of the GPDA? From what I can see, yes. Is it smart for Speed, or any driver for that matter, to go and tell someone, specifically another driver, to "F off"? Not particularly. However, this is now the reality of the grid, there is a scrappy, hungry, young driver (more than one in reality) out there looking for points and victories. I say as long as the racing is entertaining, with safety as the primary focus, bring on the new breed. Not specifically looking to put the old guard out to pasture, but just as something new to infuse some excitement into the series to truly turn it back into a race spectacle. Hopefully with better officiating than what was seen at Australia. Not looking at the Coulthard/Speed incident, which was handled correctly, but rather Ralf in particular.

ExigeExcel
It's not like DC would have just turned round and beat the crap into him.

I doubt he would have, although it would of given the folks over at SniffPetrol something entirely new to go on about with Ol' Crazy Dave. ;)
 
Still, those "scant few" dollars could've gone to charity or something useful.
 
dougiemeats
He's still early in his career. He'll learn from these mistakes and get better and better as he goes along.

early in his career? He's in Formula freikin One! Anyone who has been racing for long enough to make it to this level will have learned what the hell the yellow flags being waved means. It doesnt take Einstien, and it doesn't take experience, I've never competed in a motor race in my life yet somehow I know that there is no passing under yellow. Strange, no?
 
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