Drift Help

[Boundary Layer]

you don't really need to brake with this setting, just turn an increase the throttle/gas a bit (not slowly though, fast but not too MUCH throttle/gas)

yes, this is called the power-over technique

I dont mean to criticize, but using this technique at the 500hp level will be relatively easy. I wouldnt get into the habit of using this technique exclusively, it can kind of warp your conception of what it requires to kick the back end free if you move to a less powerful car.

 

[Swift]

Just the Sim tires but I think that comes with a lot different kind of setting for my car (I think it's more aggresive, it turns into a slide VERY quick)
if you want the settings too here they are, I've made them myself but they CAN look like something used earlier:
Supra RZ(J) 524 BHP:
-Buying parts:
Change (or clean, wathever) your oil, buy everything you can, and of each part the most expensive one, except for the turbo because that must have a stage 2 turbo and, again, the most expensive intercooler.
-Then the settings:
spring rate: 13.9 front, 6.8 rear
ride height adjustment: 86 front, 86 rear
damper bound: 7/7, no change
damper rebound: 7/7, no change
chamber angle: 3.0, 1.0
stabilizer: 3, 2
brake balance: 8, 14
LSD initial: 0, 14
LSD accelerate: 0, 52
LSD decelerate: 0, 32
gear ratio (might matter, don't know): 27 ( the bar on the bottom, of the setting screen)
ASM (active stability manager): 0 (ALWAYS)
TCS (traction control system): 0 (ALWAYS)
tyres: Simulation tyres
NOTE: I think (I'm not sure) this isn't the smoothest setting if your using a wheel, it might work with the Dual Shock 2

I'm looking forward to your reply's on this setting, because you don't really need to brake with this setting, just turn an increase the throttle/gas a bit (not slowly though, fast but not too MUCH throttle/gas)

The Mazda RX-7 comes on my next post........

Hmm...well you're are certainly running overkill with that much HP and torque on sim tires with you Supra. I would say bring it down to the 350 range at least. I'm sure the rear end is going out very quickly, but that's mostly power oversteer and quite frankly, not what you're looking for.

You also probably want to take the stabilizers down a bit as well. To much rigidity in the suspension can cause the car to hop and jump. Of couse, when you're trying to control oversteer, hopping isn't exactly what you're looking for.

I like a stronger brake balance, but that's really a personal thing.

But other then that your settings look about right. 👍

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Here it comes:
Mazda RX-7 type RZ:
Parts to buy:
Exactly the same as my Supra parts(same turbo, everything...), although I forgot to say that, with the Supra NO lightweight bodyframes, and here (RX-7) it must be bought up to the 3d lightweight body!!!!
Settings:
spring rate: 13.2, 6.8
ride height: 89, 89
damper bound: 7, 7
damper rebound: 7, 7
chamber angle: 3.0, 0.9
toe: o, o
stabilizer: 3, 2
brake balance: 8, 14
LSD initial: 0,16
LSD accel.: 0.49
LSD deccel.: 0,31
gear ratio's: bottom of the screen, level 24
ASM: 0 (ALWAYS)
TCS: 0 (ALWAYS)
tyres: slick

Hope these are good settings for you, but remember, drive your car to the corner in a straight line, steer, increase the gas a little bit untill it begins to spin and hold the gas while counter steering.

Another tip, 1. when you give gas while countersteering hard, you go faster sideways, 2. when giving gas while countersteering only just enough, you go to the dirrection your car points, 3. giving gas while not countersteering at all: you just increase your angle and, probably, spin in these settings.
May come in handy while cornering:
you're going to the rail while you should make a corner: solution 2
you go to slow while going sideways: solution 1
you have to go thrue a hair pin and can't get your angle right.

Really hope this is usefull, but this is pretty much based on MY settings so..........

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Hmm...well you're are certainly running overkill with that much HP and torque on sim tires with you Supra. I would say bring it down to the 350 range at least. I'm sure the rear end is going out very quickly, but that's mostly power oversteer and quite frankly, not what you're looking for.

You also probably want to take the stabilizers down a bit as well. To much rigidity in the suspension can cause the car to hop and jump. Of couse, when you're trying to control oversteer, hopping isn't exactly what you're looking for.

I like a stronger brake balance, but that's really a personal thing.

But other then that your settings look about right. 👍

Well, I know these are really unusual settings, I think, because I have to use maximum counter steering on the DS2, you'll have to coutersteer VERY QUICKLY with the 900 degree steering mode on the wheel, so I recommend this one for people who use the DS2 and are kind of weard with their preferd BHP.
I want to ask someone that uses the DF or the DFP to test the counter steering thing out, because I don't know about this. Also I don't know if you shouldn't use this Power Oversteer for good times, but it DEFINATLY WORKS FOR THE COOL SMOKE THING👍
I'll try the stabilizer thing, but thanks about the other settings

 

[Swift]

Well, I know these are really unusual settings, I think, because I have to use maximum counter steering on the DS2, you'll have to coutersteer VERY QUICKLY with the 900 degree steering mode on the wheel, so I recommend this one for people who use the DS2 and are kind of weard with their preferd BHP.
I want to ask someone that uses the DF or the DFP to test the counter steering thing out, because I don't know about this. Also I don't know if you shouldn't use this Power Oversteer for good times, but it DEFINATLY WORKS FOR THE COOL SMOKE THING👍
I'll try the stabilizer thing, but thanks about the other settings

I'm using a DF now and I don't automatically go to full lock when I enter a drift. You have to control your countersteering just like you should with the DS2. Just because you're using a DS2, doesn't mean you can't have smooth countersteering. Look at DelphicReason's vids. He uses and DS2 and you wouldn't know it unless you saw the steering wheel input. So it's quite possible.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

And swift, try those cars, with the settings, maybe with the tips I gave, cause I think it's MUCH AND MUCH more fun with a really overpowered car.
Just for smoking tyres, give it a chance, come on, I'm curious about your reply after you've drivin it (Supra is best) on the Midfield (not reversed)👍👍

 

[Boundary Layer]

And swift, try those cars, with the settings, maybe with the tips I gave, cause I think it's MUCH AND MUCH more fun with a really overpowered car.
Just for smoking tyres, give it a chance, come on, I'm curious about your reply after you've drivin it (Supra is best) on the Midfield (not reversed)👍👍

for the record: you can get just as much smoke out of an underpowered car - it just requires more finesse.
As for more fun, well I dont know about that. I fail to see the challenge in placing a 500hp torque monster sideways, but thats just me. If that's what turns your crank, I'm not gonna stop you.

oh, and as for the stabilizer settings:
I actually set mine stiffer, something like 4F/5R. However I prefer a very stiff setup.
I dont see how they're going to cause the car to hop, all they will do is reduce body roll. A stiffer setting will result in a loss of grip, and a slightly quicker- but less pronounced - lateral weight transfer (in most cases). My cars only start bouncing when I have the spring rates or damper rebounds set a bit high, the stabilizers have never been the cause of that for me.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

for the record: you can get just as much smoke out of an underpowered car - it just requires more finesse.
As for more fun, well I dont know about that. I fail to see the challenge in placing a 500hp torque monster sideways, but thats just me. If that's what turns your crank, I'm not gonna stop you.

Well then you've stopped me, I'm probably confusing the fun of JUST drifting with drifting in an overpowered car. Maybe I just can't get a lot of smoke out of an underpowered car myself because it's really hard (for me then) to smoke the guts out of an underpowered car.
But it's still fun drifting in general, not espescially for the overpowered cars then.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

I'm using a DF now and I don't automatically go to full lock when I enter a drift. You have to control your countersteering just like you should with the DS2. Just because you're using a DS2, doesn't mean you can't have smooth countersteering. Look at DelphicReason's vids. He uses and DS2 and you wouldn't know it unless you saw the steering wheel input. So it's quite possible.

But I often need full countersteering when entering a drift cause you really need that with a powerfull car, with the DS2 you just put the stick right to the end but if you used the wheel instead and needed FULL countersteering you'll have to turn the wheel quickly to 800 degree's. But I think your right though, caus I don't have the DFP so I'm affraid I'm talking full crap now.

 

[Swift]

But I often need full countersteering when entering a drift cause you really need that with a powerfull car, with the DS2 you just put the stick right to the end but if you used the wheel instead and needed FULL countersteering you'll have to turn the wheel quickly to 800 degree's. But I think your right though, caus I don't have the DFP so I'm affraid I'm talking full crap now.

Actually bud, at corner entry you shouldn't be at full lock yet. Unless you're using a feint technique. But even they most often you won't have to be a full lock when entering a corner. Remember that countersteering is about fine inputs. not just throwing the wheel around.

It has nothing to do with the power of your car. You can use the same technique to drift a trueno as you do to drift a Supra. It's all about understanding the weight shifting and how it effects traction.

The two most important things during a drift are countersteer and throttle control. In FR drifting(what you are currently doing) they are equal in importance. You can't focus on one and forget the other. Try to modulate the throttle a bit more then just holding it down throught the drift, this will give you more control, especially at corner exit.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Actually bud, at corner entry you shouldn't be at full lock yet. Unless you're using a feint technique. But even they most often you won't have to be a full lock when entering a corner. Remember that countersteering is about fine inputs. not just throwing the wheel around.

It has nothing to do with the power of your car. You can use the same technique to drift a trueno as you do to drift a Supra. It's all about understanding the weight shifting and how it effects traction.

The two most important things during a drift are countersteer and throttle control. In FR drifting(what you are currently doing) they are equal in importance. You can't focus on one and forget the other. Try to modulate the throttle a bit more then just holding it down throught the drift, this will give you more control, especially at corner exit.

Well, as I said, I already thought I really use a weird technique, now it has been confirmed. Except for the tip of using the throttle to control more of the drift, wich I'm practicing right now, as a result I can now hold drift much longer after the corner has passed, or I can try to get the end of my corner more to the outside of the corner's exit, like the normal racing cornering technique: "out, in, OUT"

I'm desperate to send a vid. to you guys of my drifting after 3 days with the supra as well as other cars. But I can't because I understood you need a USB-cable to transfer the data, wich I haven't even got yet, although you could say a lot of comment to my drifting technique, it just looks nice on the replays, that's all what I can do good as for drifting.
👍

 

[Swift]

Well, as I said, I already thought I really use a weird technique, now it has been confirmed. Except for the tip of using the throttle to control more of the drift, wich I'm practicing right now, as a result I can now hold drift much longer after the corner has passed, or I can try to get the end of my corner more to the outside of the corner's exit, like the normal racing cornering technique: "out, in, OUT"

I'm desperate to send a vid. to you guys of my drifting after 3 days with the supra as well as other cars. But I can't because I understood you need a USB-cable to transfer the data, wich I haven't even got yet, although you could say a lot of comment to my drifting technique, it just looks nice on the replays, that's all what I can do good as for drifting.
👍

Actually, you need a video capture device. Whether it be internal or external. Do a search in the drifting forums, there are many detailed threads about the subject.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Actually I must realise that I have to learn a different technique now, as my original sucks. Anyone has some advice on technique except for the "swinging" yourself into a corner by turning a few times before cornering, wich you use to catapult yourself into the corner, don't know how it's called

 

[Suzuki]

Actually I must realise that I have to learn a different technique now, as my original sucks. Anyone has some advice on technique except for the "swinging" yourself into a corner by turning a few times before cornering, wich you use to catapult yourself into the corner, don't know how it's called

that would be called feinting. why do you have to change techniques?

 

[Swift]

that would be called feinting. why do you have to change techniques?

Exactly. Feinting, done correctly is one of the most difficult but best looking ways to drift.

GT4 fan, it sounds like you're mixing a bunch of techniques. And that can be a very GOOD thing. But it's also good to understand each technique and how it can help get you the desired drift.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Exactly. Feinting, done correctly is one of the most difficult but best looking ways to drift.

GT4 fan, it sounds like you're mixing a bunch of techniques. And that can be a very GOOD thing. But it's also good to understand each technique and how it can help get you the desired drift.

OOOOWWW, I thought feinting was "meant" to be a sort of comment, it's just a different technique👍 so thanks a lot

About the video I wanted to send, you SHOULD get it later this day, I'm not sure yet cause my parents want to help when they have the time, because they know more about the camera then I do. Yes I'm just going to film it directly of the TV, meanwhile I think my way of drifting looks more like this only MUCH LESS BEAUTIFULL, but this is the way I go thrue corners, I mean this kind of agresiveness, not the way I enter and I can't turn as fast as he does but the amount of smoke and stuff, that's PRETTY similar:tup:: www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54516, the first video I think.
It's sort of an example for the results I WANT, but do not always get.
It's a pretty damn good video:tup:👍

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Hmm...well you're are certainly running overkill with that much HP and torque on sim tires with you Supra. I would say bring it down to the 350 range at least. I'm sure the rear end is going out very quickly, but that's mostly power oversteer and quite frankly, not what you're looking for.

You also probably want to take the stabilizers down a bit as well. To much rigidity in the suspension can cause the car to hop and jump. Of couse, when you're trying to control oversteer, hopping isn't exactly what you're looking for.

I like a stronger brake balance, but that's really a personal thing.

But other then that your settings look about right. 👍

And I've changed my HP a bit but I can't get my settings good enough to fit it with my unusual way of drifting. Can anyone explain to me the effects of LSD, because I just keep guessing what it is, and I change my settings on the LSD from minute to minute, I'm just going >>><<< I think it affects the handling very much, but HOW?

 

[Touring Mars]

Best setup to learn with. A car of your choice. Sim tires. No more then 300hp. TCS and ASM off.

Thanks for the simple tips 👍 ... not being a seasoned drifter or particularly well-schooled in the ways of fine tuning, the real detailed stuff is pretty much wasted on me (for the moment atleast)... but last night, with the help of this thread and the straight-talking advice carried within, I finally drifted properly and fully under control for the time last night...

I particularly benefited from the 'keep the power down' advice... I was trying to drift the Trueno with a Stage 3 turbo... no wonder I was having trouble

Also, the revelation that 'Deep Forest' is a good circuit for beginners... 👍

And watching some videos by the 'pros' is very helpful too, actually seeing what all those techniques look like in practice was essential...

Cheers,
TM

 

[Boundary Layer]

And I've changed my HP a bit but I can't get my settings good enough to fit it with my unusual way of drifting. Can anyone explain to me the effects of LSD, because I just keep guessing what it is, and I change my settings on the LSD from minute to minute, I'm just going >>><<< I think it affects the handling very much, but HOW?

CLICK HERE FOR LSD TUNING GUIDE
goto the links in post#9 - the first ones are dead

don't forget about that search button up there - Delphic Reason has a thread floating around somewhere that gives a pretty accurate description of they work

speaking very generally, to create oversteer, set all 3 setting fairly high. High initial torque and high accel create oversteer coming out of a corner on the gas. High initial torque and decel helps create oversteer entering a corner,

since you're using (or were using) fairly torquey cars, you might not want the initial torque set too high. A lower settig might give more control at sucha high tuning level

I'd post something more informative - but I'm halfway out the door on the way to class
hit that search button - or try reading the scrolling gt3 descriptions

 

[RX-7_FC_DrIfteR]

And I've changed my HP a bit but I can't get my settings good enough to fit it with my unusual way of drifting. Can anyone explain to me the effects of LSD, because I just keep guessing what it is, and I change my settings on the LSD from minute to minute, I'm just going >>><<< I think it affects the handling very much, but HOW?

Let me see your settings and i'll tweak them for you....In a nut shell, LSD controls how fast power is sent to your wheels.

 

[ncdrifter]

yea. feather the throttle.. wont spin out as easy if you do that

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

yea. feather the throttle.. wont spin out as easy if you do that

I don't think that I will be able to feather the throttle any more. I think I set up the settings so that I'll spin even easier, and I will counter that with less HP, but first I'll try to give the settings to RX-7_FC_DrIfteR, and let you tune my settings a bit if you want, just look at my settings I've posted on 8 Feb. I'm curious if they can fit a bit of my drifting technique, but a less aggessive angle. Thanks anyway 👍

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Damn, I wanted to post a vid. to you all, but when I want to "attache file" I "browse" go to "bureaublad" (that's dutch for the wallpaper that my vid. is on) then I click on the upload button, and it says to wait, AND WAIT I DID!!! for over 6 hours maybe, although it's of VERY VERY POOR QUALITY, not edited, and only 11MB!!!! Can anyone give me some advice??

ps: when I succeed DON'T, I repeat DO NOT EXPECT ANY QUALITY, expect a black screen, that way you won't be shocked when you see this poor quality vid. wich has a VERY frustrating song going on it while I drift so, really sorry for the quality if I can succeed in posting it I can't increase the quality with the MB cause my mom tried to post something earlier with 14MB and it was refused by our internet provider cause of the MB rate 👎