Drift through U turns

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How do you drift through U turns like the ones in Tsukuba? (First right, second left, and the third right) I seem to loose momentum halfway through the turn and understeer or if I enter the turn too fast I spin out. Anyone have any tricks to drifting through U turns? Thanks.
 
awdrifter2
How do you drift through U turns like the ones in Tsukuba? (First right, second left, and the third right) I seem to loose momentum halfway through the turn and understeer or if I enter the turn too fast I spin out. Anyone have any tricks to drifting through U turns? Thanks.
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About the same problem here, I lose speed if I have good enough c/s and I just end up stopping sideways halfway a corner :banghead: Or as you said I get oversteer, but I found out that it was caused by ASM oversteer with me:dunce:

Has my prob. gotta do with power issues?

Edit: MR2, 178 BHP
DFP 900*
drift technique: feint (trying, don't think it helps though with this problem)
and when I brake I get MASSIVE UNDERSTEER!
already using economy tyres
 
awdrifter2
How do you drift through U turns like the ones in Tsukuba? (First right, second left, and the third right) I seem to loose momentum halfway through the turn and understeer or if I enter the turn too fast I spin out. Anyone have any tricks to drifting through U turns? Thanks.
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Usually my trick to U-turns involves changing gears. When you switch gears, and whether you switch up or down, and at what point, all depends on the car and the turn and the conditions of the turn (does it get narrower, does it get wider, is it an uphill, or down hill, etc.). I'll give an example of a typical U-turn drift for me:

Come into the corner fast, braking and downshifting
Brake and turn into the corner to initiate the braking drift
I'm in 3rd gear when the braking drift initiates
Down shift to 2nd gear to carry me through the corner
Then, before the exit of the corner but when very close to it, shift back up to 3rd and floor it


I use RWD vehicles to drift though, so it may be different for an AWD car (I can't drift AWD to save my life). I hope this helps a little 👍 :sly: 👍
 
G-T-4-Fan
About the same problem here, I lose speed if I have good enough c/s and I just end up stopping sideways halfway a corner :banghead: Or as you said I get oversteer, but I found out that it was caused by ASM oversteer with me:dunce:

Has my prob. gotta do with power issues?
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In my opinion power is never the issue. It's my belief that you cannot have TOO much power. If you have a high HP car, then adjust the transmission and tires accordingly.

I'm weird though, and not a very good drifter yet :crazy:
 
d3p0
What car are you using?
What are you doing to initiate?
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91 Nissan Skyline GT-R N1

Mods:
Full Mod + Wing
R3 tires

Brake Balance f20/r12
spring rate f15/r5.8
ride height f76/r76
shocks f10/r1
camber f4.0/r0.0
Toe f1/r-4
stabilizers f1/r7
asm oversteer = 0
asm understeer = 0
tcs = 1
down force f30/r32
LSD Stock
Trans set
Auto set at 10
VCD 10
Weight Balance 0/0

I use braking drift.
 
awdrifter2
91 Nissan Skyline GT-R N1

Mods:
Full Mod + Wing
R3 tires

Brake Balance f20/r12
spring rate f15/r5.8
ride height f76/r76
shocks f10/r1
camber f4.0/r0.0
Toe f1/r-4
stabilizers f1/r7
asm oversteer = 0
asm understeer = 0
tcs = 1
down force f30/r32
LSD Stock
Trans set
Auto set at 10
VCD 10
Weight Balance 0/0

I use braking drift.
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O.o

Am I the only one who uses braking drift and sets the Rear Brakes really high? It works well for my RWD, maybe you need the high brake balance in the front to drift with AWD, I really have no idea.

To be honest, I hate AWD cars. I hate them a lot more in real life than I do in GT4, but I just love my RWD cars, and I would NEVER drift an AWD car in real life.
 
I love AWD cars, and I love to drift them in GT. But I wouldn't drift an AWD car in real life either. It would require an insane amount of power to break traction in real life. But my R32 has 738hp, so it should have enough power to do good drifts.
 
The best things for U turns and pretty go in fast with a nice line in 3rd gear but downshift to 2nd when you start losing speed. This will put your RPM back up in the high 6000 -7000 RPM's. Make sure you turn all of the aids of because when there on they apply brakes in understeer and oversteer. Your worst enemy is TCS .. my opinion atleast
 
you want to have a quick turn-in (LIGHTENING FAST!!!), let it sit there for a moment, then do a minute countersteer (maybe 95° at most..) with open throttle.

i'll experiment a bit with AWD and report back..
 
alot of the tight U turns i have trouble with, and often end up sliding backwards off the edge of the track. With my skyline (87' GTS-R) i was able to hold consistent smooth drifts through the final curve of Tsukuba, settings in the depot.
 
The cool thing about AWD is that you can throw it in at a high angle and when you reach the apex, just gas it and the front wheels will pull you out. I suck at AWD though..
 
ok.. i've just run trial mountain with the evo a couple times.. i find you need to develop huge feint before the turn, then let the car coast through, and make sure the revs are high (if that means dropping a gear, so be it..). once you're at the apex (hopefully somewhat 90 degrees to it.), you want to force the DFP straight/with a bit of turn in.. there will be huge resistance from the wheel, but the nature of AWD is on throttle = understeer. in this case you want to time it correctly. you need the mentality of KAMIKAZE. if you brake too much, you wont have enough speed to pull through the turn. you will definately want at least 20-30 mph more at entry speed compared to FR/MR. i set the AYC to 100, and VDC to 40. ill post up vids once i get webcam from my friend .. later tonight i hope! you'll see exactly what im talking about in the vid. cheers.
 
ONE more tidbit.. while you're 4 wheel sliding into the turn (corner entry point), you can use the brakes sparingly to create a larger drift angle. but becareful. brake too late and you wont have any momentum for the corner exit. the ideal brake point would be just before the apex, STILL while you're turning in..this is where you want the highest angle, so that you're already lined up for corner exit once you pass the apex.
 
shima
ONE more tidbit.. while you're 4 wheel sliding into the turn (corner entry point), you can use the brakes sparingly to create a larger drift angle. but becareful. brake too late and you wont have any momentum for the corner exit. the ideal brake point would be just before the apex, STILL while you're turning in..this is where you want the highest angle, so that you're already lined up for corner exit once you pass the apex.
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That makes pretty logic sence:tup: But I REEALLYY wanna see that vid. of yours, cause I really don't know how to know when to begin feinting, and you said +30 km compared to a RWD car, but what is the average RWD drifting speed? I can move on a BIT now so thanks, and I'll begin driving AWD cause apparently they drift better or something (I drifted RWD cars, I didn't even know how to drift AWD cars in GT3 so:scared: )
 
ohh the vid will come. its a matter of how fast i can get to my friend, after he finishes with class (5pm). although, i think ill be preoccupied with hangin out for a bit.

you need to begin feinting before you usually start braking (in an early grip driving braking scenario (sorry.. jumbling words up)). for a really spectacular drift, you COULD brake while turning out to feint (thus creating larger feint, return counter), but this could lead to a spin. i'll take one of the trial mt turns for example. the large radius hairpin that comes after the long straight through the forest..you should be going about 80-100 after braking off speed (on stock brakes, AWD, dont quote me on that, though, because i just lost my last lancer evo replay.. :sad: ), feinting then braking to rotate the car pre-apex. remember to shift down while you get off the feint and into exit drift. you will virtually be diving straight at the exit in a 90 degree fashion to the apex. make this and i guarantee you'll have a smile on your face !

i think you'll be surprised at how much control input the DFP requires to drift.

[edit: ok.. the speed you want to approach the whole corner does depend on what you're trying to do.. for a large U as this, you come at it full speed.. because you loose a lot of speed just sliding through.. the more you give gas, the less your angle becomes.. ]

i made a little comment in another thread (d1 practice..) about settings not mattering.. but for 4wd, if you want showy drifts, you're gonna have to get AYC and VDC controllers. i pumped AYC to 130 and VDC im still experimenting with.. im gonna prac some MR drifting for now.
 
Here you go. I put display up so you could see my inputs. Excuse the poor quality.
If you are already past this level of drift excuse the waste of time :[
http://www.teamurc.com/shima/evo6trialmt-shima.wmv
(requires media player 9+, made in movie maker lol)

please dont flood the link. its approx 19mb. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE right click > save as...

its 543k bitrate, and my host can barely support that speed .. so please don't stream it. i'm watching you! heh.
 
shima
Here you go. I put display up so you could see my inputs. Excuse the poor quality.
If you are already past this level of drift excuse the waste of time :[
http://www.teamurc.com/shima/evo6trialmt-shima.wmv
(requires media player 9+, made in movie maker lol)

please dont flood the link. its approx 19mb. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE right click > save as...

its 543k bitrate, and my host can barely support that speed .. so please don't stream it. i'm watching you! heh.
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HA! Awesome video! You can certainly drift AWD much better than I can. I am teh suck at AWDrifting. Also, loved the sick European Hard Trance playing in the backround. I'd definitely suggest some better editing, but it was cool to watch you do entire laps, we can really get the feel for how you drive. Also, I noticed you were letting go of the wheel mid-drift, always a good thing. If you're comfortable enough to do that, you're on your way 👍

Good stuff over all 👍 👍
 
shima
Here you go. I put display up so you could see my inputs. Excuse the poor quality.
If you are already past this level of drift excuse the waste of time :[
http://www.teamurc.com/shima/evo6trialmt-shima.wmv
(requires media player 9+, made in movie maker lol)

please dont flood the link. its approx 19mb. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE right click > save as...

its 543k bitrate, and my host can barely support that speed .. so please don't stream it. i'm watching you! heh.
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THANKS!!! I'll start downloading now, and will edit this when I have seen the vid. Also it's >NEVER< a waist of time:) looking at vids. also reading useless advice doesn't bother me:D:tup:

Edit: now >THAT< is EXACTLY WHAT I NEED!!:D:sly: GIVE ME THOSE SETTINGS :crazy::crazy: I've seen other vids. before where I thought I needed those settings, just because it looked good, but NOW it looks good and there's a MAJOR advance to those settings of yours; you don't have to coutersteer THAT much:idea: (see my thread: "other drifting problem: wheel and ME") And I come back on what you said "if you are already past this level of drifting excuse the waist of time" well NOT!! It's NO waist of time, thanks:sly:
 
Those were some pretty cool drift Shima.

My AWD aren't at that level yet, I need more practice. Can't wait till spring break. 👍
 
I found settings that FINALLY FIT with ME!:) On my own:D
Here they are:

Settings for the: Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi spec C '04(you can buy it stock at Subaru) >FR'like handling<
Parts to buy:
-Racing exhaust
-Racing brakes kit
-Brake controller
-Transmission Fully customizeable
-Triple clutch
-Variable LSD
-Carbon driveshaft
-Stage 3 turbo kit
-sports intercooler
-Fully customizeable suspension
-N2 tyres
-All weight reduction and the Increase Rigidity upgrade
PS no engine mods like NA tuning or something

Settings:
Brake balance f/r: 3/24
Driving Aids: all of except for ASM understeer wich is 20
Spring rate f/r: 6.3/5.4
Ride height f/r: 98/98
Damper bounce f/r: 8/8
Damper rebounce f/r: 8/8
Chamber angle f/r: 3.0/2.0
Toe angle f/r: 0/0
Stabilizer f/r: 2/2
Transmission: stock (meaning auto should be 12)
LSD initial f/r: 18/51
LSD accel. f/r: 30/60
LSD decel. f/r: 15/52
VCD: 10
Weight balance, ballast weight: 47
Weight balance, Front/Rear balance: 50

This was a 4WD car but I set it up this way it should be FR like with less countersteering and little snap back, because that were my problems if you read my posts in other threads. It's my first VERY driftable car:D:tup: I know it doesn't look challenging to drift it, but I don't want it to be that, I want it to be easy
 
There aren't much settings to my car. It's completely stock except for VCD, AYC. the VCD i have to look up, but im pretty sure its like 40%.. the AYC is at max (130 i believe). Except for that, everything else is stock. I might have installed a stage 2 clutch, but thats about it.. no suspension mods at all.

ill have some clips of my MR2 drifting later today after classes!
 
shima
There aren't much settings to my car. It's completely stock except for VCD, AYC. the VCD i have to look up, but im pretty sure its like 40%.. the AYC is at max (130 i believe). Except for that, everything else is stock. I might have installed a stage 2 clutch, but thats about it.. no suspension mods at all.

ill have some clips of my MR2 drifting later today after classes!
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thanks, b.t.w. I'm looking forward to your vids.:D:tup:
I can drift like heaven now, compared to what I was able to do first, maybe I'll post a vid. too in the near future:sly: It WILL be bad quality though, cause I'll film it of TV with a camera of wich the Auto function cannot be turned of:indiff: Anyway I'm looking forward to yours, the MR2 is a great drift car:)
 
awdrifter2
I will try detuning the car and then turning off the TCS. I'm using DS2 not DFP, so it's hard to control the throttle.
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Im also using a DS2, and could not drift the tight turns on Tsukuba. Last night for the first time I tried someone elses settings from the drift settings depot. After a few laps with xsyorra's 95' RX7 Efini RZ settings i was nailing the tight hairpins. The car is just set up so differently than the settings Im used to so it was a change but also opened my eyes to new ways of setting up the car. Who knows, maybe it will work for you, maybe not. 👍

Its extremely touchy, hardly requires a feint maneuver. I have no idea if this was a setup for the DFP for DS2 but its very controllable. just go real easy on the throttle in 2nd gear :)
 
194GVan
Im also using a DS2, and could not drift the tight turns on Tsukuba. Last night for the first time I tried someone elses settings from the drift settings depot. After a few laps with xsyorra's 95' RX7 Efini RZ settings i was nailing the tight hairpins. The car is just set up so differently than the settings Im used to so it was a change but also opened my eyes to new ways of setting up the car. Who knows, maybe it will work for you, maybe not. 👍

Its extremely touchy, hardly requires a feint maneuver. I have no idea if this was a setup for the DFP for DS2 but its very controllable. just go real easy on the throttle in 2nd gear :)
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Then it would DEFINATLY be for the DS2, you'd be countesteering too much if it feels touchy and right for the DS2
 
G-T-4-Fan
Then it would DEFINATLY be for the DS2, you'd be countesteering too much if it feels touchy and right for the DS2
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youve got the DFP right? try it out if you want. What i meant to say was that with some practice its controllable, but if you over correct in any way at all you WILL lose control with this setup. It seems the precision you could achieve with the DFP would benfit these settings.
 
194GVan
youve got the DFP right? try it out if you want. What i meant to say was that with some practice its controllable, but if you over correct in any way at all you WILL lose control with this setup. It seems the precision you could achieve with the DFP would benfit these settings.
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Yeah I've got the DFP. There's one thing that comes with precision: slowness. That's was the problem I had the most, I was too slow with countesteering or I was too inacurate with sensitive cars so I'll try it but I garantee you; I'll spin out or have no angle so............I'll try it:)
 
okay, I was playing around with settings at Tsukuba, and caught this, so i recorded it.

Stock Power S15 at Tsukuba - 11ish mb's - multiple views
(you must wait 1 minute before you can begine the download, but the speeds are good)

I thought this fit the topic of this thread quite well. Sorry I couldnt display my steering, I'm on a DS2.

It shows the first 2 hairpins at Tsukuba. The second turn needs a little more work. I let the revs drop to low and exitted the drift a bit early, I would have benefitted from a little more power. I think it still shows the process I use quite well.

As for the third haripin, well that is anyone's guess. The early apex throws me off every time. I'm still working at it.

I think the trick to making it around these turns is to use a sensible slip angle. Of course you wont make it around a long 180 degree bend with large angle, the dynamic friction acting on the sliding wheels is simply too large. You have to keep some forward momentum to minimize the friction slowing the car - the rolling resistance of a wheel is much less than the resistance created by dynamic friction of a tire sliding sidways. Keep the angles a little smaller and just keep trying until you get it done.
You'll notice in this video that the angles are pretty small by some standards, and there isnt much smoke (a result of the low power), but the are pretty well controlled, imo.

Anyways, this is how i do it.
👍

[edit] - btw, i have posted this in another thread where someone was complaining about having to use the e-brake to drift a silvia. If you have that vid, ignore this one, they're the same[/edit]

[edit 2]i was going to mention that the speeds are given in km/h.[/edit 2]

[edit 3 - June 1, 2005] reuploaded, link updated
 

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