drifting overload

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Ive just recently started trying to drift, and ive started to get the hang of it. The biggest problem I have is it just seems like a sensory overload while drifting, and so, I have a problem controling the drifts. It feels as if, if im just along for the ride, and i have no way of controling my line. So im just wondering, am I just being to ambitious, in that Im trying to do things out of my league per se (since Ive only been at it a few days). Or am I doing something really wrong? Im just looking for an opionion.
 
It's usually like that when you first start, but after a while part of it becomes muscle memory. Remember what it was like to learn to drive a car for the first time? (...or anything "complex" if you don't drive irl ;) )

The first tip I can give you is keep the throttle as low as you can while still spinning, and don't overdo the angles and speed right away.

Think of initiating a drift as a rapid 3-step process:
Entry phase (feint or power over are easiest to begin with)
Catch phase (countersteer immediately when your rear wheels begin to slide, and try to stop the car from spinning out)
Throttle phase (don't overdo it or you'll lose momentum)

Once you nail those, at least you should be sliding with a potential for control.. and IMO the initiation is the part of drifting where the most stuff happens ;)

If you use a car like the Nismo 270R to begin with, you don't have to worry about anything but technique. It's a perfect learning car stock, but you could upgrade the transmission at least if you're using automatic.
 
Right now im useing a 230hp RX-7 GT-X (FC). I got the settings from the settings depot. Ive got a good grasp of the entrys (im useing a slight feint and lift-off, seems to work best for me). But Ill switch to the 270R since I got one.

So I should mostly keep off the throttle as im drifting? That may be one of my problems, because so far, ive been flooring it through the turns. Ive gotten a pretty good grasp of counter-steering also, but my biggest problem is about midway through the drift. Also, Im not very good at exiting the drift, I seem to stop countersteering too late, and it snaps to the opposite direction right into the wall.

Also, is there any tracks you suggest? Ive been useing deep forest mostly so far, and also a little bit of autum ring mini.
 
I've been having good fun on Special stage route 5 (under city tracks) and the Seatlle track as well.

Both have low-angle corners which are much easier for beginners, but have some technical aspects to them.
 
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Right now im useing a 230hp RX-7 GT-X (FC). I got the settings from the settings depot. Ive got a good grasp of the entrys (im useing a slight feint and lift-off, seems to work best for me). But Ill switch to the 270R since I got one.

So I should mostly keep off the throttle as im drifting? That may be one of my problems, because so far, ive been flooring it through the turns. Ive gotten a pretty good grasp of counter-steering also, but my biggest problem is about midway through the drift. Also, Im not very good at exiting the drift, I seem to stop countersteering too late, and it snaps to the opposite direction right into the wall.

Also, is there any tracks you suggest? Ive been useing deep forest mostly so far, and also a little bit of autum ring mini.
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Holding a drift is one of the most difficult parts of drifting... It's a struggle to maintain balance between the steering and throttle... As Ske said, a lot of the techniques will become second nature, part of your muscle memory... Just keep at it... The snapback can be cured a few different ways... You can decrease the LSD decel, to stop the car from regaining traction too aggressively and/or you can try coming off the throttle slower and dialing out your countersteer... A combination of both is really best...






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Well, Ive started to figure out one of my problems with exiting the drift, ive found that i wasnt coming out of the countersteer soon enough, then Id try to slap the wheel the other way and id basically overcorrect and spin.

Ive been practicein some more, and Im starting to get my drifts to be a little more stable. Im gettin there, slowly but surely :)
 
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Also, I take it with the 270R, i should use either N2 or N3 tyres? Not the Sports Soft ones that come stock on it?
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I'd suggest N1 actually, especially since snapback is your problem. If you've used stickier tires before, that would explain your tendency to have the car snap back on you. N1s are good for learning cause they force you to moderate your entry speed and throttle inputs, while N2s are good for experienced drifters because they offer more control.

And in reply to your previous post: Finding the right balance between throttle and countersteering will always be the drifter's main concern... I suggest learning to keep the throttle to a minimum while still spinning the rear wheels (that is, just enough to keep you from gripping) and countersteer slightly less than you'd think.

On exit, gradually reduce the countersteer while easing off even more on the throttle... finding that balance is really a lot up to practice, as it's pretty much different from person to person. Letting off too much throttle will cause the car to "snap grip" sending you quickly in the direction the front wheels are pointing, and too much countersteer might flick the car into an opposite direction spin or drift.

There are also a lot of different tastes when it comes to tuning, that's why I suggest trying the 270R with stock suspension and lsd.. Grabbing someone else's drift settings may be totally wrong for you.

Another thing that will influence the way you drift is which controller you're using: wheel, ds2 or d-pad?

Edit: you mentioned a wheel in your last post, so I can explain the countersteer solution better.
Keeping just a tiny amount of pressure on the wheel INTO the turn (left in a left hand turn) may be enough to keep you from snapping back as long as you keep the rear wheels spinning. This inward pressure thing is also a good tool to manage angle when drifting longer or more complex corners.

When you use a Force Feedback wheel, you can sort of feel where the front wheels want to go when countersteering, try to hold the wheel agains the edges of that sweet spot (hope that makes sense lol, I've had a few beers tonight :dunce:) and see how the car reacts.

When exiting, force the wheel straight. The feedback will resist, but try and straighten it out as good as you can as you get to where you wanna end your drift, and practice throttle modulation to work with that.

(Ouch I have to stop typing now, this hardly makes sense to me even.. I might edit it in the morning if needed ;) )
 
I'll tell you right now. Take it slow. If you think about what you need to do, YOU HAVE ALREADY CRASHED. You just have to do it over and over again and you will start to get better and after a while it will come naturally and sometimes it even gets boring.

I will say that real life is easier than GT4, however. Real life is more like Enthusia.

Real life drifting is so easy for me that if I don't do something crazy or dangerous, I get bored with it. I been stepping up my angle, and speed and doing more and longer links. But now my clutch is toast because of it. :sick:
 
Uh huh did you say you where had ss on because they are the worst tires for drifting because they get seariouse wall distortion which means that the walls fold over and out of shape.
 

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