Drifting Style

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I was about to post this on a thread titled "Your drifting stratagies" but, yeah...
Here's a fresh one with a more intellectual approach.



"Strategy" is how you go about accomplishing something you want to do.

Knowing what you want to do is a completely different story.

Drifting has no rules, which leaves alot of room for diversity.

Another word for diversity could be "style," and the only way you can form a style is by going out and doing it.

When you know exactly what you want to do; only then can you form a strategy.

For example: my 'style' is to adhere to the ideal line (in terms of grip driving), as it gives me a place on the track to aim for.

I initiate the drift by cutting hard into the turn and braking sharply (downshifting [shift lock] and sometimes just lifting off the accelerator will work) to induce oversteer.

Then quickly jump on the gas to make the rear of the car kick out, then let off the throttle when it's at the desired angle, just balance it through the turn. Apex with the front of the car, then rotate the car on it's center axis by slowly lifting off the accelerator so the outside wheels clip the outside rumble strip at the exit.


The only time one should ever need to touch the e-brake is when you screw up.

An example of a screw up would be cutting too soon or braking for too long, in a way that you are sure to bump into the wall on the inside, too far before the apex.

The only way to fix that is to e-brake and counter hard so you drift towards the outside.

Then simply continue your line as usual.

The only thing this is good for is allowing you to continue your drifting session with less disruptions.
Backing up, carefully getting the car going, getting up to speed again, etc..
I would never settle for a drift fixed with a pull of the e-brake if I was recording for a video.


Drifting almost requires a constant radius turn (ie. line, not corner) to look smooth and good, and the easiest way to achieve that is to stick to the line you would if you were racing.

Sliding all over the width of the track (with the exception of the swaying drift technique for the straights) is not an acceptable style as far as I'm (and I'm sure many others are) concerned.

My suggestions: learn how to grip before you learn how to drift. Not vice versa.

Grip driving will teach you how to control the car on a much more exact level.

It will also give you a visual indication of progression (better times), as well as teach you how to determine that so called 'ideal line'

Drifting is something with larger thresholds, so you can do it at your leisure.

Also keep in mind that, although your car may drift while grip driving, it is essentially neither.

Grip when you want to grip. Drift when you want to drift.

When driving at the limit of your tires' traction capacity as to achieve the fastest lap time, your driving style is determined by the way the car is tuned (before you start saying, "oh well how does horsepower determine your driving style," read this thread). If you have a 'driving style', you are not achieving the fastest lap time possible.

If you were to take a handful of the fastest drivers in the world and give them a single car (with parts that never wore out, including the tires) to do hot laps around a track with, all of their driving styles would be the same. Although they may attack the corners with varying degrees of aggressiveness at the beginning, their goal remains uniform. Stay on the ideal line and within the limits of the car.

Given enough laps, they will all end up with the same best lap time.

This is where it gets interesting.

While drifting.. the settings of the car may affect your 'drifting style,' so to say, but it does not determine it.

The way you drift is up to you.

Eventually, the most experienced drifters will adopt an idea of what the 'best' style is, but it's still pretty meaningless.

Like I said in a previous thread.

Just do it.

It's fun.


-The Drifter Formerly Know as Street Fighter.
 
My "style" ?

Drive straight towards a corner at high speed, move the car to the outside lane and break hard. At that point flick the car back into the center to start the drift. Note that I like to leave the accelerator off until I hit slightly off the apex. I normally hold that position until I exit the corner, where I'll let the car hang on the straight for a while, just in case I need to link the drift.

What your saying about the grip line is very true. Forget about the AI racing, because there as smart as a peanut. When I race friends, I tend to let them go ahead and just follow their line perfectly until they make a mistake. Makes a race much more interesting ;)

And to contrast the line between drift and grip.... Grip is all about getting to one point to another in the fastest possible way. Drift is all about getting to one point to another in style. Don't even mention "Speed Drifting" It does not compare to grip racing, it's just another style of drifting, but slightly higher speend, alot less angle.
 
I've been practicing Kansai all afternoon! Midfield Raceway with my Spoon S2000. It's been a great day and I have made immense progress with my drifting!
 
Brake Drifitng.....my special...............well at lesat in real life.....with out the DFP....i just feint and side(ebrake) on GT3....................man i need 150bucks
 
These are my personal views on drifting and its future.

Let's hear some more of your guys' opinions and personal styles.
 
i am proficient in the art of bunta drifting.

shut up and light up. with no hands.
 
my style you ask? swoopy as TankSpanker would call it, lol. Feint, breaking, but more than half the time feint with breaking..
 
The success rate of the dynamic drift technique is based almost entirely on the setup of the car.

Even with alot of slip during decel, initiating the drift is painfully slow.

The most effective application for this technique would be if you had the opportunity to perform a wide left to right (or vice versa) feinting motion. For example, crossing the width of the track after exiting a right turn into a short straight, then into a left turn.

*draws a picture*


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Marvel at my MS Paint mastery..
 
You're using the forward weight transfer caused by the engine decellerating and the act of turning in suddenly to put the car into oversteer mode, then accelerating and countersteering as usual.

You don't necessarily have to be coming out of another corner into a straight and making a wide feint from across the track. That was just my example.


The traditional way of performing the kansei (sorry, I spelled it wrong in the picture) technique is to just let off the throttle and cut hard into the turn and accelerate almost immediately.

I honestly don't know why it's called Kansei, because that word literally translates into Inertia.

If you drifted through the entire corner with no throttle, then I could understand the name.

But even the Drift King himself calls it "Accel-Off".

:confused:
 
Who the **** is the drift king???!!! I have never heard of a drift king?! Who is that:idea:(but without the lamp:)
And has anyone got a vid. where the kansei method is used???
 
G-T-4-Fan
Who the **** is the drift king???!!!

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He's basically the host of almost every Best Motoring video.

Plus the drives (drove?) the Team Aguri (ARTA) NSX in the Japanese GT Championship.

 
indeed, Keiichi is an icon

My style relies heavily on fast weight transfer. I make most use of the lift off and braking techinques - they allow me to follow a (more or less) normal line around the track. I resort to power over when nothing else is getting the tail out (or if I mess up). But I keep my cars at a level of tune that doesnt naturally lend itself to the exclusive use of power over technique. The e-brake never gets touched unless I've really bunged something up somewhere.
I seldom use feinting, and when I do I normally couple it with one of my more familiar braking or lift off techniques (or both). My car setup is typically quite stiff, so large amounts of swaying arent any more effective in transferring weight than a quick stab opposite the cornering direction just before turn in.

My line normally follows a typical racing line - wide in, touch the apex, wide out - except where it is impractical for drifting.

I dont typically drift AWD's, but I've been trying to learn the ZeroCounter technique. Line is all that matters with that style.

thats my style in a nutshell
 
And to settle out things, he is NOT the best drifter in the world. He is only called that because he is the one that made drifting known in all the world. I am so tired people idolizing him thinking he is the world best "driftzor". Shudder.
 
i think keiichi deserves all the attention and respect he gets after all of his hard work. 👍 Nothing bothers me about people apreciating a man' hard work.
 
I understand what your saying, but most people that watch him assume that he is the best because he is the "Drift King" and think, whatever he says, goes.
 
MdnIte
I understand what your saying, but most people that watch him assume that he is the best because he is the "Drift King" and think, whatever he says, goes.

That's definitely true. He gets far more publicity that most other distinguished drifters because he is frequently featured on Best Motoring films, but there are many many other talented drifters out there.

If anyone ever gets a chance to view some of Kazama's work, or Nomura, Ueo, or Team Orange, or anyone in D1 really, do not pass it up.
 
**** all the D1 drivers are the best in my eye................I would like to meet all of them one day and have them all sign my 240sx( prolly on a large dent from drifting)
 
Akihiko Nakaya can drift better than Tsuchiya in my opinion.

He can drift an Evo VIII RS (with AYC) better than I thought was humanly possible.

Tsuchiya has balls though.

If you've ever seen the crap he pulls during races in an almost 500 horsepower car..

You would respect him as a driver.

No other driver comes close to his shere ability to perform under pressure.
 
Tsuchiya = Great Driver

Tsuchiya = Great Publiciser

Tsuchiya = Pretty Good Drifter

That's him in a nutshell.
 
he drives like we do in gt3 in real life. Totally focused. I dont think nakaya is better at drifting, i think he is better with evo's and other computer controlled cars. Keiichi doesnt like the feeling of pushing hard and feeling electronics working. :) Since nakaya drives an evo for a living of course he's gonna be faster with it. :) Keiichi seems calmer than most drivers (non D1) when it comes to drifting. If you look at Nakaya when he is driving other cars, he is hesitant to let the car slide at all. he starts spazzing out. he is still an awsome driver though. I love watching him shift.
 
^...any good drifter is gonna look better drifting a awd car than one drifting a rwd car.........awd just has better control with all the whell pushin
 
But even the Drift King himself calls it "Accel-Off".

??

I think they are naming it after the way you break the tires loose. Every style involves careful throttle and steering control in the corner, the biggest differences come from how you initiate it. The inertia drifting is about using what you have in the way of inertia to break the rear free, as opposed to using braking, e-brake, or a downshift, for example.
 
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