drifting with analog controller

[Purple Platypus]

Gear ratios shouldnt be that big an influence on drifting. But with the DS2, you gotta remember that the buttons are pressure sensitive. So, it's not just pushing the gas or letting go of it. Practice throttle control when you're drifting. And...when you look at the replay, turn on the brake/gas meter thing in the display options. Watch how much gas and brake you're giving it.

And...did you turn off TCS?

Or...maybe you've got too much hp in the car? Post up your settings and someone will help you out.

Good luck, and remember to have fun

 

[Delphic Reason]

I can drift fine without DR's setup but that's just me.
How i learned to maintain the FR drift was to have good counter-steering. I used the left analog for steering and i tried to keep it as smooth as possible and not "tap countsteer". I guess it all grinds down to practice.

What is all this nonsense about MY setup?... I didn't create it... It's an option in quite a few racing games... The sticks allow for a much greater degree of control over the steering, throttle, and braking... The added degree of control over the steering is invaluable...

 

[thecoolness]

I used these settings.

Nissan S13 Silvia K's 2000 500hp

Parts to buy:

All you can.

Settings:

Spring Rate: 3/3
Ride Height: 89/89
Shock Bound: 7/7
Shock Rebound: 7/7
Camber Angle: 3.0/1.0
Toe Angle: 2/-0.5
Stabilizers: 6/6
Brake Balance: 10/24
LSD Initial: 5
LSD Accel: 5
LSD Decel: 5
Gear ratios: Doesn't matter

ASM:0
TCS:0

Tyres:
Front: T8
Rear: T7


They are that Sheradon guys ones, I got it off the forums.

I think I have spun out about 20,000 times now! T_____T!!!! Im better at dong it slower now on the wider corners like on laguna seca. But when I try and up the speed its like DDAY garunteed! I spin alll da time! *sniffiez i only wanna drift!*

 

[Azuremen]

Oh geez... those settings... >_<

Here are what I think I would end up user, I'll test later tonight

Spring Rate: 4/3
Ride Height: 90/90
Shock Bound: 7/7
Shock Rebound: 7/7
Camber Angle: 3.0/2.0
Toe Angle: 1/-0.5
Stabilizers: 3/4
Brake Balance: 10/12
LSD Initial: 5
LSD Accel: 40
LSD Decel: 10
Gear ratios: Doesn't matter

ASM:0
TCS:1

Tyres:
Front: T2
Rear: T2

See how those feel. The TCS would be if it had over 300 HP probably, fiddle with it if ya want.... The stablizers scare me though.. 6/6 O_O

Also note that I usually tune for speed drifts, so this should allow for some decent speed, but I'll test those out later and fine tune them...

 

[Delphic Reason]

Spring Rate: 3/3

That is way too low... A higher setting (closer to 9/9 all the way up to around 13/13) will give the vehicle much more stability, and will be easier to control... Also, you can make the rear springs softer than the front, which helps in initiating, maintaining, and steering a successful controlled drift...

Ride Height: 89/89

Too low, especially with such soft springs... The vehicle will bottom out like crazy, making it very difficult to maintain a drift... You shouldn't lower the car all the way down... Depending on the car (it's level of jounce, and travel mostly), a setting of around 95/95 is sufficiently lowered, without disrupting the balance and/or drivability...

Toe Angle: 2/-0.5

I'm not sure what effects he was trying to get with this setting, but it's probably best if you set both at 0.0... If you don't fully understand what you're doing, you can destroy the balance of the vehicle, making for either too much oversteer, or too much understeer (in the case of the toe settings)...

Stabilizers: 6/6

This would be a great setting for grip racing, or even race drifting (high speed, low angle)... For exhibition drifting, a lower setting usually works much better... I tend to use a setting of 1/1 unless the car in question has excessive body roll (FC, and Skyline GTSt to a lesser extent)... The stabilizers are designed to help the car maintain traction by improving chassis rigidity, and reducing body roll (mainly)... Too high of a setting can make the car more difficult to turn, as well as inducing understeer (thus reducing oversteer)...

Tyres:
Front: T8
Rear: T7

First off, you should probably get out of the habit of mixing tires... Try and use the same tire front and back... To tell you the truth, a 500HP S13 doesn't require such soft tires... All my mid power FR cars (around 500hp) wear normals or sports... However, super slicks, or slicks will work fine as well...

Spring Rate: 4/3

Once again, way too low, especialy for high speed drifting where you need an even higher spring rate than with exhibition to maintain stability under the added force of the higher speed...

Stabilizers: 3/4

This is a bit contradictory to your spring settings... You have your springs set slightly softer in the rear, yet the stabilizers are set slightly softer in the front...

TCS:1

There is absolutely no reason to use TCS when drifting (or racing, at least in GT3)... The "Traction Control System" automatically lets off the throttle and/or applies the brakes (to varying degrees) when the sensors detect a wheel (s) slipping... This is completely counterproductive for drifting, and will ultimately slow your progress as a drifter by giving you a muddled, computer aided, idea of proper throttle control...


I hope that helps... 👍

 

[Azuremen]

Well, I hadn't seen the stock rates... so I was working off what I saw... >_<

I mostly use the TCS to keep from accidently overwhelming the rear wheels. It rarely comes into play for me, as I am normally using a dynamic entry rather than breaking the rear out with power. I'll have my PS2 here in about 20 minutes. I'll fiddle with the S13 some. The last time I drifted an S13 was bone stock with Sims on...

I'll fiddle with it a bit though... I'm still braking outta old habits from when I had no clue what I was doing, at all. I still only know half assedly what I doing

 

[Delphic Reason]

I mostly use the TCS to keep from accidently overwhelming the rear wheels. It rarely comes into play for me, as I am normally using a dynamic entry rather than breaking the rear out with power. I'll have my PS2 here in about 20 minutes. I'll fiddle with the S13 some. The last time I drifted an S13 was bone stock with Sims on...

Whether you use the "power over" technique to initiate or not, changes nothing... With the TCS on you are fighting against the computer to maintain the drift, which makes for very dull and less responsive throttle inputs...

Initialy, it does seem easier with the TCS on because it makes it more difficult to spin out... However, it also makes it more difficult to maintain anything resembling a smooth drift...

Drifting vehicles stock before tuning them is a good practice, as it gives you a better sense of the vehicles base level handling characteristics... This lets you evaluate the weakpoints and tune accordingly.. Of course it helps to do some research on settings/tuning as well, so you have an idea of what to tune to solve which problem...

 

[2of9]

i always use the analog controller when drifting. For me, i think its all about the control of the throttle or acceleration you have to the car.

 

[Azuremen]

Yeah yeah, I know, I am the clueless

Now, I've been fiddling with this S13 now... and have this so far

Spring Rate: 5.2/5.7
Ride Height: 94/94
Shock Bound: 7/7
Shock Rebound: 7/7
Camber Angle: 3.0/1.6
Toe Angle: 1/-1
Stabilizers: 3/3
Brake Balance: 10/12
LSD Initial: 19
LSD Accel: 39
LSD Decel: 10
Gear ratios: Doesn't matter

ASM:0
TCS:0

Tyres:
Front: Norm
Rear: Norm

It has 245 HP at the moment, and weight reduction 1, plus some basic drivetrain upgrades, and the fully custom tranny.

It works all right, but needs some coaxing to maintain a drift. I keep breaking out of the serious drifts to soon, cause it saps speed, and I like going fast. I'm sure if I pumped up the out put a bit more it would be fine, cause then I wouldn't need to worry as much about maintaining speed.

These settings have along way they could go... 30 minutes and a dozen laps around Grand Valley is not enough to really tune well, but I'd figured I'd comment on my initial progress.

DR, what do you recommend increasing the spring's stiffness by for each 10mm drop in height, from stock? And yeah, my spring settings up there were entirely backwards, don't ask what I was thinking >_< And way too soft... those others are even softer than stock.. and with that much of a drop O_O

 

[Delphic Reason]

It has 245 HP at the moment, and weight reduction 1, plus some basic drivetrain upgrades, and the fully custom tranny.

With 240HP you should be using sim tires... Also, the car should be as light as humanly possible (stage 3)... A lighter car is always easier to control...

It works all right, but needs some coaxing to maintain a drift. I keep breaking out of the serious drifts to soon, cause it saps speed, and I like going fast. I'm sure if I pumped up the out put a bit more it would be fine, cause then I wouldn't need to worry as much about maintaining speed.

Or change your tires... If you do up the power and stay with the normal tires, 400hp to 500hp is about right for most vehicles on normals or sports...

DR, what do you recommend increasing the spring's stiffness by for each 10mm drop in height, from stock?

It's not quite that simple... You have to take into consideration the vehicles weight, ride height, HP/Torque, and what you are going to be doing with the vehicle in question (i.e. AutoX, Gymkahna, rally, race drifting, speed drifting, exhibition drifting, etc...).

And yeah, my spring settings up there were entirely backwards, don't ask what I was thinking >_< And way too soft... those others are even softer than stock.. and with that much of a drop O_O

Exactly my point... You just have to use a little logic and you can see why things need to be a certain way (and through research of course)... Not everything is so clear, and that's where the research comes in...

 

[thecoolness]

WWooooooooot thanks for the setup Azuremen!! It HELPED ME LOTS! Its wayy easier for me, but I still suck at drifting! T_T! I see ur guys's videos and I'm like ... OMG! You guys can get going so fast and drift so easy! I can barely hold drifts for longer then 6 seconds T_T!

 

[Azuremen]

Well, glad to be of help. Fiddle with the settings some, you may find a better setup for you. Also, try simulation tires like DR recommended, they let you do much longer drifts with low/medium power.

Also, try drifting some cars bone stock with simulation tires, good way to get the feel for cars.

 

[thecoolness]

Hey I gotta another quick question. When drifting is to hold the counter-steering steady? Or adjust as you go through the corner? Like if you start to get to sideways increase the countersteering and decrease the gas?

Does it work something like that?

Oh yeah I tried simulation tires, and I am TERRIBLE with them! I keep spinning out! I even decreased a bunch of the performance parts and took me down to 250 hp, still spin out! T_T

 

[194GVan]

Hey I gotta another quick question. When drifting is to hold the counter-steering steady? Or adjust as you go through the corner? Like if you start to get to sideways increase the countersteering and decrease the gas?

Does it work something like that?

Oh yeah I tried simulation tires, and I am TERRIBLE with them! I keep spinning out! I even decreased a bunch of the performance parts and took me down to 250 hp, still spin out! T_T

try practicing w/ a stock vehicle on simulation tires first. then gradually add parts as neccessary when you feel you can handle them.

 

[RX-7_FC_DrIfteR]

try practicing w/ a stock vehicle on simulation tires first. then gradually add parts as neccessary when you feel you can handle them.

Doing this, is also a good way to understand what part does, what. Remember to try and understand how your car reacts to different techniques, as this will help you in the future.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Hey I gotta another quick question. When drifting is to hold the counter-steering steady? Or adjust as you go through the corner? Like if you start to get to sideways increase the countersteering and decrease the gas?

Does it work something like that?

You need to control the countersteer with delicate precision, adjusting the amount of countersteer and throttle throughout the drift...

 

[[chip]]

Hey I gotta another quick question. When drifting is to hold the counter-steering steady? Or adjust as you go through the corner? Like if you start to get to sideways increase the countersteering and decrease the gas?

Does it work something like that?

Oh yeah I tried simulation tires, and I am TERRIBLE with them! I keep spinning out! I even decreased a bunch of the performance parts and took me down to 250 hp, still spin out! T_T

When you coming into the corner your probly gonna have the most throttle there and at the end, once you get the rear end out start a slight countersteer and decrease the throttle a bit. Then kinda balance things out till you get to the end and increase the countersteer to exit.

 

[in_D_ie]

I feel the pain of many newb drifters... even though I have been drifting for like eight months on and off. I've always gotten my car sideways through the turn, but untill I released my vid, people started pointing out what I hadn't known was wrong.

From my experiance using the analog stick is a pain in the ass, if you can control counter steer smoothly with it... I applaud you. I started using this method I thought up, using the analog stick but not letting it hit the sides... it's going well but I may just give up and buy a wheel lol.

It's just practice practice practice...

 

[Azuremen]

You can modulate the input by moving it along the edge... aka, slight steer... put it at 1 o'clock, or 11... if that makes any sense.. not how I do it, but its something I thought about...

 

[thecoolness]

Ok, so still practising here. I got a Silvia Varietta, not the fast Type R one, and all I did was bump up the hp to 225 and slapped on sim tires. Its alot easier for me 2 drift! This doesnt make me a lil school girl for using such a slow car to drift with does it?

 

[R_Riders]

Ok, so still practising here. I got a Silvia Varietta, not the fast Type R one, and all I did was bump up the hp to 225 and slapped on sim tires. Its alot easier for me 2 drift! This doesnt make me a lil school girl for using such a slow car to drift with does it?

Well... far as I know.. no... it actually has a mention of skill. Well it takes skill to drift or use any car anyway, but if you can drift with a lower power car, I guess that's actually a very good sign, but I dunno, although I'm used to more powerfull and/or heavier cars like the Corvette Z06 or my S13 (with 290bhp)... I have a 170-200 bhp Trueno 86 I'm okay with as well.

I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a slow car since every car is 'fast' in some sense on GT3 most of the time, but that's just me though.

Not sure what else to say.

Till later.

 

[RX-7_FC_DrIfteR]

Ok, so still practising here. I got a Silvia Varietta, not the fast Type R one, and all I did was bump up the hp to 225 and slapped on sim tires. Its alot easier for me 2 drift! This doesnt make me a lil school girl for using such a slow car to drift with does it?

By far your, a "lil school girl". As R_Riders, said, using stock cars show your skill. I like using almost stock cars, when I drift. It makes it more of a challenging... everytime I get on the track.

Every car in GT3 is not slow, especially when drifting. Unless you’re a speed drifter, there's no such thing as a slow drift. Drifting is supposed to be graceful. So get out on the track, and have fun!

-Mike

 

[drift punk]

By far your, a "lil school girl". As R_Riders, said, using stock cars show your skill. I like using almost stock cars, when I drift. It makes it more of a challenging... everytime I get on the track.

Every car in GT3 is not slow, especially when drifting. Unless you’re a speed drifter, there's no such thing as a slow drift. Drifting is supposed to be graceful. So get out on the track, and have fun!

-Mike

very well put, that even pertain's to real life, as i love drifting my stock 240.