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Ok so i'm new(semi) to the F1 scene, and i'm hooked. being 17 ofcourse i think that i have a possibility of becomeing a driver. obviously since i have no previous racing experience this is horribly unlikely, but how might one get into the single seater racing, like formula 3 or single seat cart driving for kids?

plus do you guys have some referals to stories of what a career in formula one might be like?

after this question is answered i'd also love to hear of what you guys would do if you were F1 drivers, team bosses, or mechanics
 
Pray to Jebus that your dad gets a job at a local Renault or BMW dealership. If you want to enter motorsport than enter a privateer rally. It's cheaper and much more fun and the people are quite nice too. A privateer rally is still quite expensive though, get an old Celica GT-4 conform to the rally regulations (roll cage, safety etc) and join a car club.
 
Move to Europe, get a sponsor and tell everyone you are Canadian.

(sorry, Americans in F1 are still considered as a joke)
 
It's highly unlikely unless you happen to possess the skills of a F1 driver and are recognized at your age.

Usually, F1 drivers today were recognized when they were young and went through a lot of racing before F1. F1 is pretty much the hardest motorsport to get into b/c it requires a LOT of money, skill, and what not to get recognized by someone or a manufacturer.
 
You won't become an F1 driver. It's as simple as that. To be an F1 driver, not only do you have to be an incredibly talented and fit driver, but you also have to either be very rich (or have a lot of sponsorship) so you can buy a drive in a low-end team (might have got you a race at Minardi last year for a few million) or very marketable or a combination of the two. Even if you are all of the above, you also have to have a fair amount of luck and great determination to get recognised for your talent/attributes and given a test by one of the teams.

The "standard" career path for aspiring F1 drivers is karting from an early age (10 or younger) up to 16/17/18, then a move into Formula Ford, then perhaps moving up to the single seater ladder (into something like Formula BMW then into GP2). GP2 is the feeder series for F1 (directly 'below' F1). You'd need to be highly successful at each stage and gain a reputation as a fast, consistent, measured driver.

If you're hooked on racing and want to have some fun, try contacting your local track and see if they offer trackdays (either in your own car or in some of their cars).

edit: As for a book on what it's like to make your way up from the bottom of motorsport to F1 when you're 17 and have no racing experience, try Perry McCarthy's book Flat Out Flat Broke.
 
F1 - Txnhockey
Ok so i'm new(semi) to the F1 scene, and i'm hooked. being 17 ofcourse i think that i have a possibility of becomeing a driver. obviously since i have no previous racing experience this is horribly unlikely, but how might one get into the single seater racing, like formula 3 or single seat cart driving for kids?

plus do you guys have some referals to stories of what a career in formula one might be like?

after this question is answered i'd also love to hear of what you guys would do if you were F1 drivers, team bosses, or mechanics

lol this aint ****ing texas nascar racing.

sorry man, couldnt resist.

what a thought......
 
Still... doesn't stop you from telling chicks you're a race car driver. Providing you have the thin build drivers have. :)
 
hey man, ignore those assholes. they are just being negative. I myself am going up the ladder to become an F1 driver, and yes it does take a crapload of money, and yes the majority of drivers start young, and yes americans are considered a joke in F1. but that doesn't mean you can't do it. just because you are american(I'm assuming so) won't keep you from becoming an F1 driver, it will just make it harder(they don't look for drivers in america). you may have started 10 years or so later than the majority, but that doesn't mean anything. Gilles Villeneuve started racing when he was 18 or 19, so did Tiago Montiero(I belive he started when he was 20). and about not being born rich, it won't keep you from becoming an F1 driver, it will just make things harder. as far as your build, I am 6 ft even, and I weigh 170lbs with a 32 inch waist. I am a big guy, but I am still quick enough to do well in karts, so that shouldn't be a problem. as long as you have a realtively good base to start with(i.e. not 300 lbs and 7 ft. tall) you can get into shape and get into the racing driver "physique". oh, it also helps if you have talent out the wazoo, hah.

the usual ladder is start out in karts(definately a must). this is where you develop you skills, reaction, and overall smoothness when driving at speed. I suggest starting out in a 4-cycle kart, then moving up to 2-cycle sprint karts or shifters. the reason for starting out in 4-cycle karts is because they don't have a lot of power when compared to the 2-cycle karts so it teaches you to be very smooth with your inputs and teaches how to keep your momentum going into corners and coming out of corners. the reason is because if you make a mistake going into the corner(say, you lock your brakes and you slide a bit) you won't have power to make up for that mistake, so you will lose time. after a while you will start to be very consistent with your lap speeds and lines through the corners. with shifters, it doesn't matter if you go in sideways or smooth, and controlled because you have the power to make up for lost time in a slide. you don't have that power with 4-cycle karts, so it hones your skills. as a rule of thumb, people who start out in 4-cycle karts are quicker in shifter than people who just jumped into shifters w/o any previous experience. I just started out racing myself(I've done 4 races so far, never finished below 4th and already have my 1st win). for additional information, check out www.ekartingnews.com and www.worldkarting.com .

after karting, you can step up into Formula cars such as Formula Ford 1600 or Formula Ford 2000(1600 - no wings/2000 - wings), Formula BMW, or Formula Dodge cars at the Skip Barber racing schools. after that, there is the Star Pro Mazda series and the ChampCar Atlantic Series. and after that there is either IRL or ChampCar. that's the for the American scene though. what you can do is do 4-cycle karts - 125cc shifter karts - ChampCar Atlantic - then move to Europe looking for a single seater ride over there. over there you have chocies like Formula Renault, European Formula BMW. then you have Formula 3, and Formula Renault V6. then you have GP2, then F1. there is a series that just got started in New Zealand that is called the Formula Toyota series. www.toyotaracing.co.nz . I might do that after I get out of shifters, then move to Atlantics, then go to Europe. It costs about $100k to do a full season. you pay the money, they pay for your ticket there, they pay for your food, place to stay, pretty much everything except spending money. this is considered a bargain in the racing world, even the cheapest open-wheel racing season(aside from Formula Dodge) costs $150k at absolute minimum. but when you add damage costs(not knocking you, just being realistic because you still have to pay for it even if it's not your fault), travel costs, food, hotel, etc. it ends up being close to $200k. yes, you do have to pay for damage in the Formula Toyota series, but it shouldn't be that much more, maybe an extra $10k-$15k.

once you get a kart, and a couple races done, start on your sponsorship proposal. go out looking for sponsors if you don't have the money for karting. and the one rule you always have to follow no matter what: no matter what anyone says, if you want it, always keep focused on getting into F1. people will say you have no chance(like above people) and all kinds of ****, but just ignore them. about looking for sponsors, general rule of thumb, for every 50 no's you hear, you will get one yes. probably even more than that. always keep your ears open and BE ASSERTIVE. ask people if they are business owners, or if they know any. call up businesses, talk to them about advertising, send out proposals to anyone you think would be suitable. do research on the kinds of people that go to races, what their interests are, how that ties into your possible sponsors. think like your sponsors. remember that all sponsorship is, is advertising. so the sponsors are interested in "how many people are going to see my product?", "will this have a positive effect on my sales?", etc. and your job is to convince them that their money spent will be a good investment. after you secure the sponsorship, it is also your job to make sure that their investment is good money spent. you have to effectively sell their product and be a moving/talking billboard to the press(see Team McLaren F1, or any NASCAR team). in your proposal, make sure it blatantly says what you will do for the sponsor and how you will benefit the company. yea, it could be called selling out, but if they are paying the bills, you better do as much as you can to keep them happy. make sure in your proposal it says what you will do for them and how the logo will be displayed(suit, side of the car/kart, helmet, etc.). another important point, you do not need to tell them what you are going to do with the money in the proposal. if they ask, give them general information, but don't get too specific. such as tell them "it will be used for spare parts, engine rebuilds, any possible damage, tires, etc. don't tell them it will be used to cover travel costs, food costs, helemt painting costs, etc. if you are going to use it for that. it is generally understood, but they don't really want to hear it. a saying I've heard along the way is "the ingredients of a sucessful racer is part racer, part businessman".

in summary, getting to F1 will be EXTREMELY HARD WORK. especially as an American, and I'm assuming an American that wasn't born into a lot of money. it will be a very, very, very, long and hard road, but ask yourself "is your goal worth all the trouble you are putting yourself through?" if the answer is yes, dedicate your all your focus and energy to it and you will achive it.






rock. :cool:
 
Drift260Z
Gilles Villeneuve started racing when he was 18 or 19, so did Tiago Montiero(I belive he started when he was 20)....

...the usual ladder is start out in karts(definately a must).
Neither of whom actually drove a kart, so not "a must" then...

How many people start out to be racing drivers? How many thousands? How many tens of tousands? There are currently 28 F1 drivers, and out of those, only 22 actually race. What are the odds?
 
Drift260Z
hey man, ignore those assholes. they are just being negative. I myself am going up the ladder to become an F1 driver

It's not negativity, it's being realistic. If you make it onto the grid of an F1 race (as an F1 driver!), I'll fly to wherever you're living and kiss your feet. This is how confident I am you will not make it. Prove me wrong.

Drift260Z
I am 6 ft even, and I weigh 170lbs with a 32 inch waist

Alex Wurz is 1.86 metres tall (approximately 6 ft 1 inch) and he's always been considered too tall. He's had to have cockpits specially developed for him and his height has hampered his driving. You could also have trouble fitting into an F1 cockpit. Nigel Mansell had to have a cockpit specially designed for him.

It's not nice to call people assholes either, politeness goes a long way in F1.
 
he's 6' 1", I always thought he was 6' 3". I knew he was considered too tall, and I figured I would be just about too tall. and I knew G. Villeneuve and Montiero didn't race karts, but G. Villeneuve was in a time where you didn't necessarliy need to race karts to start out because costs and speeds were lower. and I'm sure Montiero had a little bit of experience driving fast before his Supercup race, or some time to test. and, this is GTPlanet.com, not F1.



rock. :cool:
 
If you're getting into racing to drive a formula 1 car, you are getting into it for all the wrong reasons. It's the same way in kendo and everything else. If you start playing football in order to be in the NFL or start some kind of sport in order to be the world champion, then you will most likely suffer.

Such passions and desires limit you, and can also make you forget about what you're doing at the present moment. Are you really enjoying driving in your first race, or are you just putting up with it while waiting for F1? Such an expectation might make you feel like you've wasted your time in the long run.

Please, by all means, pursue racing and motorsport, but don't get ahead of yourself, expecting anything huge in the future. Do it, if you must, but make sure you do it for the right reasons.

Good luck.
 
no, I'm not in racing to get into F1. I'm racing because I love racing, driving, and cars in general. Formula 1 is a goal I want to accomplish. I love racing anything I can get my hands on, as long as I'm going fast I'm happy. I want to get into F1 because I want to compete against the best in the world in the most advanced technology on earth.




rock. :cool:
 
Drift260Z
I'm not in racing to get into F1........



I want to get into F1 because I want to compete against the best in the world in the most advanced technology on earth.

Wait a sec, so your not racing to get into F1 yet you want to get into F1 to race against the best?

It might have came out better in your head but thats the same thing mate.
 
Exactly.

Re-Examine your purpose. Why are you setting F1 as a goal when you haven't even reached the lower tiers?
 
Well, I also want to reach F1... but from another way. I'm studying Engineering in information technology (5 years of university) and my goal is to work as an engineer in a F1 or another motorsport team.
 
darkfinal
Well, I also want to reach F1... but from another way. I'm studying Engineering in information technology (5 years of university) and my goal is to work as an engineer in a F1 or another motorsport team.
Im sort if doing the same. I plan to study mechanical Design at Strathclyde University (the best scotland has to offer) and then take it from there.
 
Okay I'll give you some help BUT should you succeed despite the EXTREME odds against you I want 1% of your future pay, understand?

Chassis:
http://www.dallara.it/carsforsale.cfm/flag/3/cat_id/9/id/160

Dallara build some fair F3 cars plus this one seems to come with some spares. The chassis costs 5000 Euro apparently (6000 or so USD).

Engine:
http://www.sodemo.com/uk/03-produits/moteurF3-00.htm

Renault Sodemo F3 engine (I think it's from a Clio Sport, Tom's Toyota engines are tuned Celica engines IIRC). If that's a hassle go with the Opel Speiss engine, if you're American you can rebadge the engine as a Chev engine.

With regards to tyres I think they make it a one tyre make so there's no problems there.

I'd give you a Formula BMW or Formula Renault application form but I seemed to have lost them. Best of luck. See I tried, should you make it I better get my 1% cut.
 
But how much use is a 14 year old F3 chassis going to be?
 
ya i think the engineering aproach would be a little more likely for me, maybe in aerodynamics or physics, that'd be pretty cool...

i don't belive there are many single seater series( if any) in the U.S.

and yes nascar sucks, i hate it, when i try and tell someone about F1 they asume its a version of nascar/hick racing.

anyway thanks for the help guys, the truth was sadening yet usefull to me
 
I wanted to be a race car driver when I was 3. I'm now 22, and I still want to be a race car driver when I "grow up". The dream never dies, but a few days at Champs Karting each year usually calms the urges. Cracking the 31-second range on that track is just like winning the championship :)
 

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