Driving Dirty...

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As I rocketed over the starting line, thus beginning lap 9 of some race or another on Grand Valley, I spotted a lone NSX approaching the hairpin. Instead of sensible braking and taking a good line, I set my sights solely on the NSX's rear and Kept On Accelerating, laughing maniacally as I rammed him miles into the sand. The impact slowed (and turned) my car perfectly into the corner. A quick check in the rear view mirror confirmed that he had been sent into a different time zone. The poor bugger didn't even deserve it - I was lapping him (mind you it served him right for being yellow).

Fun as it was, I get these bizarre pangs of "guilt" when deliberately bumping or shoving computer cars off the road, either for enjoyment (as above) or for more solid "wanting to win" type reasons.

Why is that? God - they're only computer players, it's not like they have feelings or will ***** about it at the pub later...

Somehow, though, I feel that in doing this I am sacrificing my integrity as a driver. It isn't just about winning the race - a little voice tells me that it should be done in a gentlemanly manner. Am I crazy? :)

Do you willfully bump other cars off the road? Is that, like, "allowed" in your book?
 
Nope, that's not allowed in my book. I try and overtake them cleanly. If they hit me, then that's their problem, but I don't go out of my way to hit them. I drive my car as if it's damageable.
 
:) - So you'll bump real people but are more courteous towards computer drivers!

But seriously, I don't suppose it's so much about being polite to little bits of software as much as knowing that you are driving "properly". I applaud your professionalism! I must confess that I am a little more amateur in my attitude sometimes...

Bumping can be fun!
 
If I get bumped trying to pass cleanly on a corner (i.e. the other car cuts in) then I'll rub bumpers with them until one of us gets ahead, but that's usually to stay on the track.

Otherwise I prefer to avoid bumping the other cars. Yeah, you can do it for fun, the console's not going to care, but I think if you're competing half seriously that bumping and ramming kind of ruin the game.

Not very good car sympathy either.
 
Bad superjim! Bad!

I'm with daan.

Errr, not literally "with"... I've got the girlfriend to prove it. I mean, I agree with him...
 
Nope....ramming the AI isn't cool. The AI rams you enough, two wrongs don't make a right.

If that was a real life you would probably be fined, removed from a few races and or license taken away. Not tomention the beat down your crew would have from the guy's you rammed into the wall.

I agree it is tempting, especially when you know the AI will do it to you if you make a move into their line into a turn, even if you made the pass clean.

Ramming someone full throttle is not "trading paint".
 
llol thats called trading car parts.


well. in real life racing you can get away w/ certain things if you make it look like an accident. But here is how i feel personally about driving dirty " the guy in front is always right unless he is blocking" period, thats it. If any accident is caused other than by him blocking it is the guy in back's fault. If i crash into someone because they are going too slow it is my fault. 👍
 
Gabkicks
llol thats called trading car parts.


well. in real life racing you can get away w/ certain things if you make it look like an accident. But here is how i feel personally about driving dirty " the guy in front is always right unless he is blocking" period, thats it. If any accident is caused other than by him blocking it is the guy in back's fault. If i crash into someone because they are going too slow it is my fault. 👍
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In the V8 supercars code, I believe that collisions when passing are faulted based on the 'B Pillar' ruling.

If the front of your car is past the B pillar on the car in front, then you are deemed to be passing and the other car must try to avoid you.

If the front of your car is not past the B pillar of the other car, and you collide, technically I believe it's your fault.

I could be wrong. Any V8 SC buffs out there to clarify?
 
I will do that in the PD Cup only.
Because usually the initial "1st position" computer in PD Cup will be the 1st in the computer group. Doing that will save my time when I just want a Speed 12 or F094/S.
 
I try very very hard to make sure the front of my car doesn't hit any part of the AI cars. Like others have said, they'll frequently turn into you, and that's their tough luck if I'm just defending my line.

I used to try the "ram pass" method, but I found out early in amateur GT Allstars that if the AI hits you, you lose, and if you hit the AI, you lose.
 
i don't really care... as long as they don't bump me, i won't bump...

sometimes, on test course, i get my escudo and start bumping into everyone..
it can be fun somtimes, but not always.
 
i love zigzagging perfectly through traffic....and also riding a car's side. that means being perfectly in sync with the other car so that you are not pushing him, but only touching him.
 
The AI rams me all the time, usually shoving me wide and off course, or sometimes in the corner and spinning me around. When I catch up, I give it right back to them.
 
Once I took an Astra from the 'S' class and went for a five-lapper at the Test Course. There was an XJ220 Race Car destroying the competition (except me since I kept tucked in behind him) at any rate, I thought it'd be fun to see if I could get all the field bunched up together again, so I hung back a little then got a nice draft and got in front of the XJ, I slammed on the brakes and slowed him up to about 140.
The field caught up and passed us, but it was all very fleeting, unfortunately the AI can't draft with itself for extended periods of time so the XJ (again) drew away, with me tucked in behind.

That was about the nastiest thing I've ever done to the AI, but at least it was for my own fun and not my own good. I ended up winning by something like .015 by the way.
 
I like bouncing off the AI cars in corners. They'll slow down and take it wide and I'll come flying in 30 mph faster than them and bounce of them creating a tighter line. If I'm ahead and screw up on a corner, I'll get in their way so they can rear end me to get me back up to speed. Sometimes I'll come into a corner without braking and rear end one to reduce my speed.

As you can tell, I have no problems using the AI for my benefit.
 
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Well you see...if there was car damage, I wouldn't drive like that.
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If you were ever in an OLR competition, you wouldn't drive like that more than once, either.
 
I will only mess with the AI on purpose if one of them in particular seems to have it out for me. I know this isn't the case, but when you're putting everything you've got into getting your crappy Vitz through the course and one of the AIs has hit you 3 or four times and driven you into the wall at least once, then it's open game to return the favour. And if you can't get to him, knocking one of his friends (the other AIs) is also perfectly acceptable.

Two wrongs may not make a right, but they sure can make you feel better.
 
I noticed that in many racing leagues like F1, cart, and such, a driver thats ahead in points my mysteriiously crash into the 2nd place car a few points behind him so he DNF's and the guy in 1st place wins. U guys ever notice that? Even the great Senna was accused of it. ANd if u see the vid it looks pretty intentionall, cus he rammed going really fast, and i didnt see any glowing breaks....
 
Gabkicks
I noticed that in many racing leagues like F1, cart, and such, a driver thats ahead in points my mysteriiously crash into the 2nd place car a few points behind him so he DNF's and the guy in 1st place wins. U guys ever notice that? Even the great Senna was accused of it. ANd if u see the vid it looks pretty intentionall, cus he rammed going really fast, and i didnt see any glowing breaks....
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If you mean Suzuka 1990, Ayrton was pretty pis*ed with the officials for having moved pole position back to the inside after it was decided that it would be set on the cleaner line, outside. In a press conference in Suzuka the year after he admitted he had already decided that if Prost (who was on the outside) would take first place, Senna would "go for it in the first corner, regardless of the result."

Quite frankly, Prost seemed to have given Ayrton the inside line then decided to close the door on him.
I'd say Ayrton did it because of the rules being changed at the last minute, not because he wanted to wrap up his championship.

You can get the press conference video here if you don't have it already.
 
Yup. I'm sure a lot of people racing online can empathize w/ that incident. Ignoring the politics that caused Senna to decide not to back down no matter what since his starting positioning would make him prone to be ing passed on the 1st turn: Many times in online racing games when im leading and another car tries to pass me by breaking way too late just to cut in front i wont back down. Most of the time i do let up and just doublepass, but sometimes i get pissed off at them if they bumped me alot before then.
 
One think i Hate about the AI drivers, they online take one line! and they always follow it no matter wut the situation is.

We've all been there. when your breaking hard. then opps u took the worng line. makeing u slow. as the AI cars comeing fast right behind u. then POW! hits u into the dirt. they leaset they could have done is go around.

They deserve to be hit! run off the road. not just for pleasure, but because they deserve it. 👍

Another point i'm trying to make, other then i've seen a simular thread like this before is, that GT4 AI, better take more then just one line every time u want to race! :dunce: yeah thats about it......
 
yes that is a problem ... very disturbing problem.

But I also saw more than one time, that with driving side by side with AI into corner, shraing the racing line with him, he actually crashed and not hit into me ... so they can be disturbed a bit ...

but they're dumb :). They never brake.
 
the AI is pretty dumb.. i cant remember the AI ever trying to pass me cleanly when i was on the ideal race line. but that could just be because the AI never passes me :sly: . Anyways... i noticed the AI is really stupid and never learns... i watched the r34 on midfield reverse crash into the same corner over and over for 10 laps straight. So, getting revenge on the AI is kinda like getting revenge on a retarded person who bumps into u when ur walking by accident.
 
Gabkicks
the AI is pretty dumb.. i cant remember the AI ever trying to pass me cleanly when i was on the ideal race line. but that could just be because the AI never passes me :sly: . Anyways... i noticed the AI is really stupid and never learns... i watched the r34 on midfield reverse crash into the same corner over and over for 10 laps straight. So, getting revenge on the AI is kinda like getting revenge on a retarded person who bumps into u when ur walking by accident.
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True. Also for the Senna incident, in 1989 if I recall, when Senna and Prost were on the same team, you'd think having the 2 best drivers in the world (at the time) would ensure an invincible team right? Espically with Mc Laren (Honda?) behind it, problem was that Senna and Prost were as rivals as Scumacher and Hackinen were in the late 90's (although not as bad, I could also bring up Ryosuke and Sudou but... wait no that actually would not work really either...) and even though Mc Laren had the championship tied it, betwen the two drivers it was down to both of them.

In one of the last turns, Prost took the bettert line refusing to give way to Senna, they crashed... Prost's car could not contiune but Senna did, he won but was disquallifed, given a hell of a fine and suspended for several races, why? That turn was the right-left just before the last right leading to the start/finish strech, Senna took the off road of that to get back onto the race and the officals pinned him on it. He did say something about it, the main thing that his disquiallifcation was manulipation for the 89 Championship. Plus I don't know if it was coensidence that FIA is based in france and Prost is french himself 💡 thus they wanted another world driver's championship to that country... 1990 more or less in one sense was payback for that one year ago.

As for my own driving, I never bother to get involved with the AI, yes they are idoits but I don't bother with them most of the time, they are idoits and occasionally a good toy but I just try hard to never them near me, yes they can be annoying but thanks to F1 games I've learned how to get back on track as fast as possible before they would hit me, but for the most part I avoid hitting them save for some things.

That's my words on it, till later.
 

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