Driving In the Rain, Massive Help Needed

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Are you turning in with the brakes still on? If you are, maybe you should slowly ease off of them on the way in, or just complete all your braking before you turn. (yes, it's often slower, but it may still be faster than messing up) Also, remember to use very careful throttle control. Also try practising a wet track by your lonesome so that you don't have to worry about other cars getting in the way while you try to figure out the best way to control your car.
 
sumbrownkid
Not necessarily, when it comes to rain a different approach is likely required.

At La Sarthe coming up to the Mulsanne's corner, I take a wider approach to the turn and then turn in onto the curbing towards Indianapolis. This wide approach allows me to smoothly turn into the corner while feathering the throttle.

If I took the turn like the line suggested, I would have probably ended up in the gravel or spun out.
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So a completely different approach is needed.
Would you suggest practising in an underpowered vehicle first or a car like the FGT seeing as it would have more grip?
 
gold_ultima
Are you turning in with the brakes still on? If you are, maybe you should slowly ease off of them on the way in, or just complete all your braking before you turn. (yes, it's often slower, but it may still be faster than messing up) Also, remember to use very careful throttle control. Also try practising a wet track by your lonesome so that you don't have to worry about other cars getting in the way while you try to figure out the best way to control your car.
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The only input is steering input.
 
dabest2500
So a completely different approach is needed.
Would you suggest practising in an underpowered vehicle first or a car like the FGT seeing as it would have more grip?
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I'd say go for an underpowered car to better understand how a car behaves in the wet. Then once your comfortable with that car, move onto a more powerful one.

A good car would be a Z06 as a start, then a ZR1 as the next step.

I practice a lot on the La Sarthe circuit with the time/weather change with other cars to hone my wet skills.

I find the La Sarthe to be a really good place to practice wet driving, as it has long braking areas, long stretches to put your car to speed, and some tricky turns to test your reactions.
 
sumbrownkid
I'd say go for an underpowered car to better understand how a car behaves in the wet. Then once your comfortable with that car, move onto a more powerful one.

A good car would be a Z06 as a start, then a ZR1 as the next step.

I practice a lot on the La Sarthe circuit with the time/weather change with other cars to hone my wet skills.

I find the La Sarthe to be a really good place to practice wet driving.
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Okay, thanks.
I appreciate the help :)
 
When turning in, blip the throttle a couple of times, when you are in a tight turn, if you keep turning with no power, you will spin out. Make ssure the revs are still high.
 
UK-Gamer
When turning in, blip the throttle a couple of times, when you are in a tight turn, if you keep turning with no power, you will spin out. Make ssure the revs are still high.
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High?
Wouldn't it make sense to keep the revs low to prevent wheel spin?
F1 drivers shift up a gear early in the rain.
 
dabest2500
Okay, thanks.
I appreciate the help :)
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No problems man, it's always a pleasure to help a fellow GTP member.👍

If PD addressed how to race in the rain thoroughly in the license sections, I bet many people wouldn't really have a problem on their first time out.

I had to learn driving in the wet the hard way (Didn't unlock the AMG events early on).
 
sumbrownkid
No problems man, it's always a pleasure to help a fellow GTP member.👍

If PD addressed how to race in the rain thoroughly in the license sections, I bet many people wouldn't really have a problem on their first time out.

I had to learn driving in the wet the hard way (Didn't unlock the AMG events early on).
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The only wet license test was braking in a straight line :indiff:
 
StevenDunn99
Dabest, if you cannot be bothered to READ any of the answers to your questions, or any links in threads... why should we help you any further ?
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I have read every post here, I haven't replied to all of them because if I just post, thanks or okay without anything useful, it would be classed as trolling.
I'm new to this forum and do not wish to make a bad impression.
I have no other question, I've just said that I will watch the video later.
 
Other thing I thought of. If you have the collectors edition book, read the back few sections on tuning. (or you can probably find a PDF of it on the internet) It gives you general recommendations on how to tune your suspension in various weather conditions.
 
gold_ultima
Other thing I thought of. If you have the collectors edition book, read the back few sections on tuning. (or you can probably find a PDF of it on the internet) It gives you general recommendations on how to tune your suspension in various weather conditions.
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I haven't actually read that book yet (I got the Signature Edition) so I'll give it a read tomorrow.
 
dabest2500
High?
Wouldn't it make sense to keep the revs low to prevent wheel spin?
F1 drivers shift up a gear early in the rain.
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No, the wheels spin more when you apply throttle from low revs, if the revs are high already when you increase throttle then there will be less wheelspin. Drivers short shift (change up gear early) to dump the engine out of the power band but if you do that in a low gear and hit the throttle you will likely still get wheelspin when. You don't want to coast around the corners because when your coasting you're in less control of the car than when your on the throttle or brakes or both. When coasting you don't have control over the cars balance and the will likely be off balance as they're designed to be balanced while being driven, not while coasting.
 
Dave A
No, the wheels spin more when you apply throttle from low revs, if the revs are high already when you increase throttle then there will be less wheelspin. Drivers short shift (change up gear early) to dump the engine out of the power band but if you do that in a low gear and hit the throttle you will likely still get wheelspin when. You don't want to coast around the corners because when your coasting you're in less control of the car than when your on the throttle or brakes or both. When coasting you don't have control over the cars balance and the will likely be off balance as they're designed to be balanced while being driven, not while coasting.
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But when you shift up a gear too early, you accelerate slower.
I don't see how you would get more wheelspin this way?
 
dabest2500
But when you shift up a gear too early, you accelerate slower.
I don't see how you would get more wheelspin this way?
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The issue is that unless your revs are so high they're above peak power, the lower the revs are the faster the engines power is applied. If you have low revs and then apply throttle the engines power will increase faster than if the revs are high and you increase throttle. Short shifting works better in the higher gears, it will shift the engine below the power band in any gear but on certain cars the engine can be so powerful that you may not notice much difference in the power delivery in the lower gears. But don't relate slower acceleration to more grip, how fast you accelerate is irrelevant, it's how fast and smooth the power goes down that wo;; decide if the tyre's grip limits are exceeded or not.

Ultimately your issue relates to the fact that you get wheelspin when the car is producing too much power to maintain traction on any given surface or if the transition of power is too sudden for the tyre's to maintain traction. When you drive with lower revs and increase the throttle then you will more often than not experience wheelspin when the transition from low to higher power is too sudden. This happens on dry surfaces very easilly, if you do this on a wet surface then the transition has a bigger effect as the tyres already have a lower grip threshold.
 
Dave A
The issue is that unless your revs are so high they're above peak power, the lower the revs are the faster the engines power is applied. If you have low revs and then apply throttle the engines power will increase faster than if the revs are high and you increase throttle. Short shifting works better in the higher gears, it will shift the engine below the power band in any gear but on certain cars the engine can be so powerful that you may not notice much difference in the power delivery in the lower gears. But don't relate slower acceleration to more grip, how fast you accelerate is irrelevant, it's how fast and smooth the power goes down.

Ultimately your issue relates to the fact that you get wheelspin when the car is producing too much power to maintain traction on any given surface or if the transition of power is too sudden for the tyre's to maintain traction. When you drive with lower revs and increase the throttle then you will more often than not experience wheelspin when the transition from low to higher power is too sudden. This happens on dry surfaces very easilly, if you do this on a wet surface then the transition has a bigger effect as the tyres already have a lower grip threshold.
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So in my case, short shifting won't help at all?
Would downshifting help at all?
 
dabest2500
So in my case, short shifting won't help at all?
Would downshifting help at all?
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Short shifting can help if you need to adjust the cars balance, if power is being delivered too fast and the car is unstable then it can sometimes be a better option to shift up rather than come off the throttle, how beneficial it to to maintaining grip while accelerating depends on the rate the power is delivered in the gear you've shifted into. I wouldn't say it's not useful, it just depends on a few variables.

Down shifting might help in slower corners but your speed needs to match the gear you're down shifting to, you don't want to down shift and suddenly have the needle bouncing off the limiter, It may help if you down shift and the revs are high but if you do it too soon and the revs are hitting the limiter then the rate of engine braking can again destabilise your car.

I think the thing you need to work on is keeping the car balanced by staying on the throttle as much as you can, even when your braking you don't always have to come completely off the throttle, don't get too caught up in the gears yet, you can get the wrong gear and keep the car balanced by good throttle and brake control much easier than getting the right gear and making a mess of your throttle and brake control. Perhaps try to ease off the throttle as you brake but don't come off throttle completely. Try doing this to varying degrees and see how it changes the cars balance.
 
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I haven't driven an F1 car on GT5 yet, but have you tried adding maximum downforce to the car through aerodynamic settings. Also shift up to higher gears early like 2nd gear corners, go into 4 or 5 and power through the corner with half throttle and buld your way up to get more confidence.
 
Dave A
Short shifting can help if you need to adjust the cars balance, if power is being delivered too fast and the car is unstable then it can sometimes be a better option to shift up rather than come off the throttle, how beneficial it to to maintaining grip while accelerating depends on the rate the power is delivered in the gear you've shifted into. I wouldn't say it's not useful, it's just more complicated to say if it is and how since it depends on so many variables.

Down shifting might help in slower corners but your speed needs to match the gear you're down shifting to, you don't want to down shift and suddenly have the needle bouncing off the limiter, It may help if you down shift and the revs are high but if you do it too soon and the revs are hitting the limiter then the rate of engine braking can again destabilise your car.

I think the thing you need to work on is keeping the car balanced by staying on the throttle as much as you can, even when your braking you don't always have to come completely off the throttle, don't get too caught up in the gears yet, you can get the wrong gear and keep the car balanced by good throttle and brake control much easier than getting the right gear and making a mess of your throttle and brake control. Perhaps try to ease off the throttle as you brake but don't come off throttle completely. Try doing this to varying degrees and see how it changes the cars balance.
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But my problem is that I spin with no input, just steering input.
Seeing as you know quite a lot (not sarcasm) can you help me with this?
I seem to just spin, even after coasting for 50 metres.

saidur_ali
I haven't driven an F1 car on GT5 yet, but have you tried adding maximum downforce to the car through aerodynamic settings. Also shift up to higher gears early like 2nd gear corners, go into 4 or 5 and power through the corner with half throttle and buld your way up to get more confidence.
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I'm talking about a Formula machine, not an F1 car.
 
dabest2500
But my problem is that I spin with no input, just steering input.
Seeing as you know quite a lot (not sarcasm) can you help me with this?
I seem to just spin, even after coasting for 50 metres.



I'm talking about a Formula machine, not an F1 car.
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It's because you're coasting so the car is unbalanced. Cars are designed to be balanced while being driven. When you're coasting you have much less control over your cars balance, when you're accelerating or raking you are in control of the cars balance. Like I said before, try braking with a bit of throttle applied and then keep on the throttle as you go round the corner, don't coast and don't come completely off the throttle, if you need to slow down brake slightly but keep on the throttle at the same time. The car will be much more balanced going into and round the corner than when you're coasting.
 
Dave A
It's because you're coasting so the car is unbalanced. Cars are designed to be balanced while being driven. When you're coasting you have much less control over your cars balance, when you're accelerating or raking you are in control of the cars balance. Like I said before, try braking with a bit of throttle applied and then keep on the throttle as you go round the corner, don't coast and don't come completely off the throttle, if you need to slow down brake slightly but keep on the throttle at the same time. The car will be much more balanced going into and round the corner than when you're coasting.
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So basically do what I do in the dry.
Is it possible to tailbrake in the rain?
 
dabest2500
Yeah, it's a Formula machine that is faster than an F1 car.
It isn't an F1 car.
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I just class it as one of the three F1 (Easier to say) cars in the game or shall I say one of the three open-wheel formula machines?. What I said about adding downforce above should help you a lot and also experiment with lowering the ride height on less bumpy tracks. Make sure to use ABS at 1 at least, if not make sure you don't turn if you have locked your brakes.
 
saidur_ali
I just class it as one of the three F1 (Easier to say) cars in the game or shall I say one of the three open-wheel formula machines?. What I said about adding downforce above should help you a lot and also experiment with lowering the ride height on less bumpy tracks. Make sure to use ABS at 1 at least, if not make sure you don't turn if you have locked your brakes.
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But how about on circuits with long straights?
Such as Circuit de la Sarthe?
 

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