Driving techniques

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Hi all, I seached the GTPlanet forum and I haven't seen any thread on driving techniques (Sorry if there's one, my mistake then), and I thought it could be a good idea to start one since everyone around here are GT fanatics :)

I can fairly say that I'm a pretty good driver and good racer, but I don't pretend to be the best. Out of 80,000 members, there's got to be better and worst driver. I just thought it would a good opportunity to help members and even get helped by more experienced/skilled members.

Everyone may be free to add comments/tips or strategies here, I'd update them and hopefully everyone will gain toward this.
So here are the first tips, might be basic for some and might be helpfull for others.

Tips and Techniques


1- Don't try to pull out a lap record on the first lap.

by Snyp :
Might sound stupid, what I mean here, is get to know the track you're driving on and most importantly, get to KNOW THE CAR. No cars reacts the same way when you brake, steer or accelerate. So get use to it before trying an attempt for the world record.

2- When in race, don't take useless risk

by Snyp :
You don't need to lead the whole race to win it, being first on the last lap during the last straight is enough. Winning by 1 mile or 1 inch isn't important because in the end... You're first.

by Cheezman
Don't attempt to overtake at every turn, some turns you simply can't.

3- Balance is everything in cornering

by Snyp :
Don't always try to take a corner at full speed all the time, try to have a consistant speed instead. Braking late on tight corners usually destabilize the car, stay BALANCED. The smoother you are with your car, the faster it is. Don't over-use inside curbs, most of the time you'll lose speed on them. Don't go full throttle exiting a corner. Again, keep the car balanced.

by Ignignoc N Err :
Smoothness, smoothness, smoothness. Not enough can be said about saving your machine. Drive the wheels off, and they'll probably fall off before you're half way through an enduro. Drive it carefully and smoothly, and you'll still have fast laps, but more of them between pitstops. Not to mention the fact that when your chassis goes floppy, it will have less of a negative impact on your driving, provided you were driving within the limits of the car.

by ChromeBallz :
1) Brake BEFORE the corner. It may seem simple enough, but how often have you found yourself steering while braking? This is not exactly the optimal way of gaining speed at the exit. Go in slow, go out fast. You can't go in fast and go OUT fast, so get used to that idea.

2) A nice tip from Sir Jackie Stewart: Don't step on the gas untill you know you never have to let go. Don't step on it, and off it, several times in a corner, since that will only lead to having to adjust your path and eventually losing speed at the exit. When applying throttle, make use of the controller's ability to go from a little bit to a little more, don't go full-none-full. Eventually, this should mean that when you're not braking, you're accelerating, and vice versa. Just remember, cornering has to be smooth, but so does accelerating and braking.

by M2R :
Try to setup for and execute every corner such that the car can hold a relatively constant speed and chassis attitude through the entire corner. The car should be able to enter, take a set, and evenly accelerate out without needing any sudden inputs to the throttle, brakes, or steering wheel. Almost all sudden input corrections can be traced back to technique errors in setting up for and/or entering the corner.

Those aren't my ideas. They come from and instructor I met last summer who has a lot of uh ... character lets say. Anyway he is telling me some really different stuff from anything I have ever read or heard before. So at first I am leery of what his is saying but after three months or so it finally starts to sinks in. Now I think it is absolutely brilliant, I only hope this comes across ok in print.

Everything he said basically boiled down to this, Ideally you should enter the corner, have the car take a set, and accelerate out of the corner without having to make any mid corner adjustments or corrections with the throttle, brakes, or steering wheel. All (in his world anyway) mid corner adjustments be traced back to technique flaws preparing to enter or entering the corner. Either in speed, line, or control inputs ... well maybe barring equipment failure or acts of God (in my world).

For most corners the car should be able to hold a steady speed and line until after the chassis has taken a set at which point you should be able to ease into the throttle to control the exit attitude of the car (but this will be very specific to each car). Trailing the brakes in or rolling hard on the throttle at exit are not adjustments (although they could be if they are not planned and/or appropriate to the situation), adjustments are any unplanned/undesired actions that cause sudden load shifts on the suspension that potentially unsettle the car.

by LOON :
Learn to drift. Atleast learn the basics of countersteer and throttle input just incase you end up in situation were your out of control. This may help keep you from losing the race.

4- Racing isn't just about speed

by Snyp :
Speed isn't always the anwser to win a race, sometimes it's strategy that will make you win. So take the time to look for AI's strategy and then plan your own. You can find a usefull Guide on AI pits Strategies here.

5- Planning and practice

by ERacer
Something which helps my driving technique tremendously is to enter a track meet and practice laps. Pick a course that you later plan to enter into as a race in one of the arenas. Try to disregard the AI's and simply focus on perfecting your lines. I tend to go slowly at first and then start to move quicker as a rhythm develops. I then enter a race or championship which has many, if not all, of the tracks I just practiced. I discovered that the track meets, or practice runs, are also a great way to fine-tune your car.




Feel free to add tips / techniques or strategies of your own. And feel free to add to the existing tips if you feel there's something missing.
This thread is meant to be made BY EVERYONE FOR EVERYONE
 
Smoothness, smoothness, smoothness. Not enough can be said about saving your machine. Drive the wheels off, and they'll probably fall off before you're half way through an enduro. Drive it carefully and smoothly, and you'll still have fast laps, but more of them between pitstops. Not to mention the fact that when your chassis goes floppy, it will have less of a negative impact on your driving, provided you were driving within the limits of the car.

Also, I second Snyp's remarks about each car behaving differently. If you drive all cars the same way, you're either running with aids on, or you're losing a lot of races. A Lotus Esprit 350's handling characteristics are not the same as the SVT Cobra R, for example.

BTW, you can come in first yet still lose the race. After all, where's the accomplishment in beating a Daihatsu Midget II in a fully-tuned Cerbera Speed 12?
 
Smoothness, smoothness, smoothness. Not enough can be said about saving your machine. Drive the wheels off, and they'll probably fall off before you're half way through an enduro. Drive it carefully and smoothly, and you'll still have fast laps, but more of them between pitstops. Not to mention the fact that when your chassis goes floppy, it will have less of a negative impact on your driving, provided you were driving within the limits of the car.

Thank you very much for this contribution, it will be added in post #1


BTW, you can come in first yet still lose the race. After all, where's the accomplishment in beating a Daihatsu Midget II in a fully-tuned Cerbera Speed 12?

:lol: gotta love that one :lol:
 
maybe we should include specific tactics for the unordinary tracks/corners e.g. The Corkscrew on Laguna Seca, or the tight and twisty streets of Citti di Aria as these require a different style of driving. Also techniques for driving the different type of cars (FF, FR etc.)
 
My best tip is, don't always go for the stickiest tires there. Sometimes using Racing Hard (or whatever you choose) tires is your best bet, just adjust your driving style a bit (as pointed out), and you will take first in no time, and have plenty of tire left.

Also, don't attempt to over take at every turn, some turns you simply can't.
 
and sometimes, smaller, lighter car is better choice than big, over-powered brute. of course, the car you choose should fit and be tuned to suit your driving style. for me, AWD, MR-AWD, MR and FR work the best, and sometimes even RR. nothing is more fun than beating the hell out of S2000's with stock Lotus Elan :D
 
Although I think this is a very good topic to cover. The things stated so far seem to be for someone who has never driven a car around the track a few times. A lot of the things stated are just derived from a bit of common sense. A more detailed in-depth approach would be better suited for the people on these boards. Like different types of cars, their drive trains and engine location, their weight etc and their characteristics on certain tracks.
 
Try to setup for and execute every corner such that the car can hold a relatively constant speed and chassis attitude through the entire corner. The car should be able to enter, take a set, and evenly accelerate out without needing any sudden inputs to the throttle, brakes, or steering wheel. Almost all sudden input corrections can be traced back to technique errors in setting up for and/or entering the corner.

Those aren't my ideas. They come from and instructor I met last summer who has a lot of uh ... character lets say. Anyway he is telling me some really different stuff from anything I have ever read or heard before. So at first I am leery of what his is saying but after three months or so it finally starts to sinks in. Now I think it is absolutely brilliant, I only hope this comes across ok in print.

Everything he said basically boiled down to this, Ideally you should enter the corner, have the car take a set, and accelerate out of the corner without having to make any mid corner adjustments or corrections with the throttle, brakes, or steering wheel. All (in his world anyway) mid corner adjustments be traced back to technique flaws preparing to enter or entering the corner. Either in speed, line, or control inputs ... well maybe barring equipment failure or acts of God (in my world).

For most corners the car should be able to hold a steady speed and line until after the chassis has taken a set at which point you should be able to ease into the throttle to control the exit attitude of the car (but this will be very specific to each car). Trailing the brakes in or rolling hard on the throttle at exit are not adjustments (although they could be if they are not planned and/or appropriate to the situation), adjustments are any unplanned/undesired actions that cause sudden load shifts on the suspension that potentially unsettle the car.

So you hear people say this dozens (if not hundreds) of ways, link the corner/s into one continuous arch, slow in fast out, be smooth, don't over drive the car, and so on. But actually those ideas usually focus on one specific aspect of what is a complex system. Now I find it useful to ask myself, did I need to make any mid corner adjustments and if so what was the root cause and what should I do differently next lap?

My personal demon is not looking far enough ahead. It's really hard to make a corner into one artistic movement of man and machine when I'm only looking at 2/3 of the corner or maybe only focusing on the apex. So I constantly find myself a little over half way thru the corner at a speed and line I've committed to a long time ago and, BOOM, I realize unless I do something quick I'm going to run out of track. At which point I usually jab the brakes and maybe turn in the wheel a little trying to get the front end to tuck in. And there it is, mid corner adjustment brought on by not seeing the whole corner and reacting accordingly.

Thanks.
 
Although I think this is a very good topic to cover. The things stated so far seem to be for someone who has never driven a car around the track a few times. A lot of the things stated are just derived from a bit of common sense. A more detailed in-depth approach would be better suited for the people on these boards. Like different types of cars, their drive trains and engine location, their weight etc and their characteristics on certain tracks.

Good comment,

That's why everyone is free to add whatever they want to it.
Even if, for some of us, most of these principles are well known and basics... for other, it's going to be the path to victory.

On the other hand, it's meant to be for everyone by everyone. To me, everyone means beginners too.
 
I've only been playing GT for 8 weeks and when i got it, i only knew three tracks, Laguna Seca, Suzuka & Monaco. Therefore, a large part of the challenge for me has been learning all the other tracks.

Although I'm a race driver in real life and not a rally driver, i have actually found rally pace notes to be very helpful. I do some fairly slow laps, learning each corner individually, I make a note in my head of how to take the corner and then i start doing quicker laps, joining all the corners together and i actually say my pace notes out loud, so I'm fully in tune with what corner is coming up next.
 
About some of the "tips" being overly basic, don't forget: even the pro's practice the basics. If you get them ironed out so that they become second nature, THEN it's time to start talking advanced techniques. Even then, however, the advanced techniques hinge upon the fundamentals.

And when that time comes, this or any other thread will be of little or no help, given that each car, driver and course require a different approach. However, the basics are universally useful, regardless how natural they appear.

Besides, racing in GT4 =/= racing IRL.
 
Some easy ones:

1) Brake BEFORE the corner. It may seem simple enough, but how often have you found yourself steering while braking? This is not exactly the optimal way of gaining speed at the exit. Go in slow, go out fast. You can't go in fast and go OUT fast, so get used to that idea.

2) A nice tip from Sir Jackie Stewart: Don't step on the gas untill you know you never have to let go. Don't step on it, and off it, several times in a corner, since that will only lead to having to adjust your path and eventually losing speed at the exit. When applying throttle, make use of the controller's ability to go from a little bit to a little more, don't go full-none-full. Eventually, this should mean that when you're not braking, you're accelerating, and vice versa. Just remember, cornering has to be smooth, but so does accelerating and braking.
 
1) Brake BEFORE the corner. It may seem simple enough, but how often have you found yourself steering while braking? This is not exactly the optimal way of gaining speed at the exit. Go in slow, go out fast. You can't go in fast and go OUT fast, so get used to that idea.

you know, that's exactly the technique needed to prevent FF cars from understeering. either that one, or then tapping the brakes, shifting the weight sharply to the front, but the first one doesn't overload the tyre's gripping abilites as badly.
 
This may sound weird at first but I'm sure it would help in some cases.

Learn to drift. Atleast learn the basics of countersteer and throttle input just incase you end up in situation were your out of control. This may help keep you from losing the race.
 
This may sound weird at first but I'm sure it would help in some cases.

Learn to drift. Atleast learn the basics of countersteer and throttle input just incase you end up in situation were your out of control. This may help keep you from losing the race.

agreed.👍 ability to control the car when the physics are trying to do the opposite is very important even in F1, JGTC etc, despite all their mechanical grip and soft tyre compounds.
 
Something which helps my driving technique tremendously is to enter a track meet and practice laps. Pick a course that you later plan to enter into as a race in one of the arenas. Try to disregard the AI's and simply focus on perfecting your lines. I tend to go slowly at first and then start to move quicker as a rhythm develops. I then enter a race or championship which has many, if not all, of the tracks I just practiced. I discovered that the track meets, or practice runs, are also a great way to fine-tune your car.
 
This may sound weird at first but I'm sure it would help in some cases.

Learn to drift. Atleast learn the basics of countersteer and throttle input just incase you end up in situation were your out of control. This may help keep you from losing the race.

This is very true in the case of going 290+mph in an option stream Z down the mulsanne straight (no downforce on that car :scared: ) that small turn can quickly turn to a very big wreck without good car control.


Also its no use jumping straight into a crazy fast car(TVR Speed 12?) and trying to drive on the limits when you have only been driving in much slower, less powerful cars, its best if your going for a long haul in the car to just take a few practice laps and adjust accordingly i.e. earlier braking points. The same also applys when doing the opposite, e.g. driving a fully modified Viper SRT10 for a while then jumping into a motorsport elise, however this depends on your own experience, if you know what your doing you will be prepared for the change, and if you werent driving the previous car for long the adjustment wont take long, drive the same one for 24 hours then switch and it may take longer.

The Biggest Tip: PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT! learning all the correct lines, how to handle specific cars etc. everything can be achieved much easier with good old fashioned persistence, you will reap the rewards if you have the time.
 
Something i would like to add is that you guys have great information.

When i was younger before i ever started driving i didnt quite understand the driving simulator of the game. The biggest thing is learning how a real car works and feeling the g-forces because in the game without knowing a real car you cannot feel how fast you are going. This may have been GT1/2 but same type of thing. The fastest way around a courner is the longest way, some people i know say they hate the game because they cannot play it well. After watching they try to take the insides of every courner when you should use the whole road making the outside curb to the inside of the curb back out. Need to learn to drive before you can race, take it easy for a couple laps to get a good feeling for the car then start to open it up. different courners call for different stratagys. A decreasing radius corner for instance you will need carry more speed off the straightaway into the corner; brake harder but exit slower.

So in some cases there has to be some adjustment in throttle, brakes, and steering inputs. Like everyone said tho its all about getting to know your car and the track.
 
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