Driving the Nürburgring Nordschleife

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Hi ringers! I drove on it this summer for the first time in my cooper and...I crashed it on the third lap :-(
Precisely it was a biker that hit me on the adenauer forst. Later I had the chance to do a few laps on some hot cars like a tuned evo VII and a deeply worked out supercharged Speedster (and some other slower ones), both of them with a best lap time of a little more of 8 minutes btb. The only thing I can say is that is the scariest, fastest, and most fan experience on 4 wheels I ever had!

Comparing the GT4 ring and the real one (on the demo), the first thing I noticed was that the road is tighter. Even without a steering wheel I can say you can feel bumps,
 
[SS]Ares
for real comparing you need to do it on the Street Tires though, or are those the street tires? I only know the wheel options from GT4:P

street tires in GT4 are for economy cars.....

most cars come with Sport tires stock, even in real life. no one in the right mind would be using some economic tires on a SLR
 
would i be shunned for starting a thread for people to post their best times for cirtain classes on the ring? ie: 200 hp max, 300 hp max, and so on?
i think it would be fun. or does such a thread already exist?
 
lmracer
would i be shunned for starting a thread for people to post their best times for cirtain classes on the ring? ie: 200 hp max, 300 hp max, and so on?
i think it would be fun. or does such a thread already exist?

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on here, that Jordan said he was planning on creating a times database once GT4 was available in Europe and the US.
So it might worry hanging fire to see if anything gets put in place.

Cheers

Jamie
 
maybe participants can include videos, or pics of their times. it would be neat to have a library of laps. kinda like that sauber video, only about 10 levels less silly.
 
I thought the Ring in GT4 was really accurate? PD says within 5 seconds, less than 1 percent. Getting 20 seconds faster than the record on your first lap ever doesn't seem right. :S
 
And just because the track is accurate, doesn't necessarily mean the car is. I'll be revisiting these times once I learn the track a bit more and get some of those cars.

I do agree with Gardus as well.. while the track is quite "realistic" in the game, you're missing the G-forces. You're missing the plethora of OMG-I'M-GONNA-DIE moments. There's a bit in that Top Gear vid where you can see Sabine's hair being pulled by the G-forces going through the Karussell, and even she's grabbed onto the seat like grim death. And don't forget the many hundreds of people that have died there. Jeremy's number of 200 is actually very, very low.. the GmbH doesn't take into account people that die of their injuries after they leave the track.. those two hundred were the ones declared dead on the track. Of the people that are helicoptered to the hospital, roughly half of them later die of their injuries. Jeremy did have one thing right.. this track is a killer. And that's something we never really get in a video game. Hence, faster laps... because we can drive like maniacs with no consequences.
 
Jedi2016
And just because the track is accurate, doesn't necessarily mean the car is. I'll be revisiting these times once I learn the track a bit more and get some of those cars.

I do agree with Gardus as well.. while the track is quite "realistic" in the game, you're missing the G-forces. You're missing the plethora of OMG-I'M-GONNA-DIE moments. There's a bit in that Top Gear vid where you can see Sabine's hair being pulled by the G-forces going through the Karussell, and even she's grabbed onto the seat like grim death. And don't forget the many hundreds of people that have died there. Jeremy's number of 200 is actually very, very low.. the GmbH doesn't take into account people that die of their injuries after they leave the track.. those two hundred were the ones declared dead on the track. Of the people that are helicoptered to the hospital, roughly half of them later die of their injuries. Jeremy did have one thing right.. this track is a killer. And that's something we never really get in a video game. Hence, faster laps... because we can drive like maniacs with no consequences.


Hmmm, well, sorry to disagree with you, but the "fear" factor is no more than 2% or less... The problem I'm finding with GT4 is that they have too much downforce (see the Sauber video at the Ring... 300km/h at the double lefthander after flugplatz? Hmm not even with a crazy driver in a F1-2004 could do it (there's the laws of physics)).
Maybe, when someone starts posting laptimes on simulation mode, no aids and a wheel can we compare laptimes better...
 
j8mie
She should be quicker round the' ring than Clarkson. She has done thousands of laps around it, she should be a bit quicker. TBH 40 seconds isn't that much.

I do know that some crazy German on a BMW motorbike has set one of the fastest laps around the circuit, and Schumacher can get round the track in 8 minutes in a Enzo.

Cheers

Jamie

lol, what the hell do you mean 40 seconds isn't that much? 5 seconds is enough to be completley outclassed, 40 seconds is humilliation. of course, you can't compare a pro race driver to an amateur.
 
Gil Abobeleira
...Maybe, when someone starts posting laptimes on simulation mode, no aids and a wheel can we compare laptimes better...

I would agree with that, the aids are a complete time booster, think how many times you'd have to lift off in that sauber to keep it pointing in the right direction? No simple flooring it mid-corner, it would demand respect, and in reality that car would scare you to death... :sick:
 
I agree with Jedi, it's not only the fear, maybe a professional pilot with full faith in his car and capacities can ignore it.
But the g the track put on you, not only the lateral acceleration but the vertical one when you pass from downhill to uphill (sorry i don't find the word) is really strong!
And you beginning to feel tired, mentally and physically, after a few laps on the limit, I can't imagine how can it be stressfull to drive a car like that.

Plus I have the feeling that, even if you feel bumps, gravel etc with with the DFP and you have a far idea of them with the vibration of the DS, GT4 is not even close to simulate how irregular is the tarmac and how the car respond to it.
 
SaintKamus
lol, what the hell do you mean 40 seconds isn't that much? 5 seconds is enough to be completley outclassed, 40 seconds is humilliation. of course, you can't compare a pro race driver to an amateur.

Well, in Jeremy's defense, I believe he is a professional driver.. but he's not a race driver like Sabine. :)

Considering that it was Sabine's first time driving an S-type Diesel.. yeah, 40 seconds is a hell of a long time. It's one thing in the game, when everyone on the track has a different car. These two times were in the same car.
 
j8mie
She should be quicker round the' ring than Clarkson. She has done thousands of laps around it, she should be a bit quicker. TBH 40 seconds isn't that much.

I do know that some crazy German on a BMW motorbike has set one of the fastest laps around the circuit, and Schumacher can get round the track in 8 minutes in a Enzo.

Cheers

Jamie
Your right forsomeone who hasn't driven the ring much if at all compared to somone with all thoes years experience 40 seconds is about right in 9-10min car, obviousely as the cars get faster the difference gets less, however are you sure thats right about Schumacher only doing 8 mins in a Ferrari Enzo, a Honda NSX-R has recorded 7mins 57, the same as a 911 GT3 so thats pretty slow for an Enzo.
 
Sabine is one of the best drivers on the ring, remember that she established a track record with a street car when 19. She presently drives the track every day so she's very experienced as are all of the factory drivers that drive the ring and some of the public. Clarkson is not that good a driver, sorry and I don't want to get flames but he's slow and the most he does at the show is doing some burnouts and use the cars in an airfield. Tiff Nedell would be more of a challenge to Sabine.
 
Yep, which is why Jerremy has never done any competitive driving (exept on TopGear), Tiff probably wouldn't beat Sabine in most road cars but I would bet he'd beat her if they both timed laps in Lister Storm GT1's, to my understanding she's never done Sportscar racing whereas Tiff has, Tiff has also done many laps at the ring.
 
nurb in gt4 is amazing :D

i did 7.5mins around it in a FPV GT in sim mode (im at work and cant remember the actual HP of the car, but i'll check it once i get home - another 6 or so hours :(((( )
 
Hyde
yea, the SLR is stock running with the stock S2 tires.

i find alot of cars handles great on the ring, but once they are put on a Cicuit like Fuji, Tsukuba, they arent too great.

is that with a DFP or DS2?

i find it a HELL of a lot harder with a DFP, but with a DS2 it's not hard
 
I quick way to learn the layout would be to play Project Gotham 2...

I say layout for a reason, as you can't really learn the track from Project Gotham. The Gran Turismo rendition is most definitely more accurate, and a lot tougher (bumpiness and realistic physics and handling).
 
lmracer
would i be shunned for starting a thread for people to post their best times for cirtain classes on the ring? ie: 200 hp max, 300 hp max, and so on?
i think it would be fun. or does such a thread already exist?

im waiting for gt4times.com

gt3times was great :D
 
live4speed
Your right, for someone who hasn't driven the ring much if at all compared to somone with all thoes years experience 40 seconds is about right in 9-10min car, obviousely as the cars get faster the difference gets less, however are you sure thats right about Schumacher only doing 8 mins in a Ferrari Enzo, a Honda NSX-R has recorded 7mins 57, the same as a 911 GT3 so thats pretty slow for an Enzo.

I'm sure I read somewhere that he took a Ferrari Enzo around the 'Ring. However 8mins does seem a tad slow especially when you look at those times posted by Watana.

In Jeremy's defence, I think he did very well to get a diesel Jaguar round in under 10 minutes. Diesel cars do not lend themselves to being driven fast, especially when being driven around a race track. He has never raced professionally, and is just a car journalist. Which makes him just a normal person who has a way with words and is able to present a TV program. With that in mind, I think he did an excellent job. One thing he said really rang home for me, "I have never felt so alive, as I do right now". That, is the effect this track has on you.

There is no way we can realistically compare times from a computer game, with real World driving. There are so many things that don't effect you when playing a computer game, most of which have already been covered. However, that does not stop use comparing times within GT4 :)

Cheers

Jamie
 
The actual best time for a road going car, after the insane Radical Turbo, has been in a Carrera GT, 7'34" or something like that. I expect the Enzo being faster!
 
j8mie
She should be quicker round the' ring than Clarkson. She has done thousands of laps around it, she should be a bit quicker. TBH 40 seconds isn't that much.

I do know that some crazy German on a BMW motorbike has set one of the fastest laps around the circuit, and Schumacher can get round the track in 8 minutes in a Enzo.

Cheers

Jamie

TBH - there are 2 versions of the track, one slightly longer than the other. the other thing is 40 seconds is a massive amount to take off around that track ........

And a Porsche GT3 can do a 7:44 around the ring and i know a GT3 RS will do 7:30 so i imagine a enzo will do around the 6:30 mark.

Bikes are slower than cars around the ring though !
 
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