Driving without driving aids! HELP!!

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Can someone help me understand how to drive without my driving aids on. I mostly spin out or hit something. With lower horsepower cars I do better than the strong cars. I don't even know how to get started with this project.:crazy:
 
dont be sooo heavy handed with the throttle as well as the steering! ease the power on after tight turns rather than wacking it on...and increase the downforce on the car if you can and tweak the suspension & im sure your already using them but use grippy tyres (RS) after that its just getting used to driving without the aid on! but all in all just be smooth! this should help!
 
dont be sooo heavy handed with the throttle as well as the steering! ease the power on after tight turns rather than wacking it on...and increase the downforce on the car if you can and tweak the suspension & im sure your already using them but use grippy tyres (RS) after that its just getting used to driving without the aid on! but all in all just be smooth! this should help!

Learning how to drive with the stickier tires in the game?

You have to learn to walk before you learn to run.
 
no do not use racing soft tires as a mean to help you get used to driving with no aids, it will only act as a bandaid because of the massive amount of grip. It will be harder for you to learn to be smooth and progressive with the steering and throttle. Instead you should use tires with lower grip levels eg. Sports tires.
 
first thing I do is put racing soft tires on all my new cars when i get them.! so I get sport tires soft or what?
 
ABS Off: Feather onto the brakes, or the wheels will lock up, thus losing traction and skidding off. I'm not sure If some cars are able to withstand lock-ups, but mostly any car will lock up. It is difficult to master with a DS3, but it's quite easy to master with a wheel w/ pedals.

TCS Off: Lightly gain acceleration in the middle and/or after a corner. TCS requires you to control your acceleration while negotiating a corner. Usually, when you're in a middle of a corner, you input only a small amount of acceleration, and then lead off from there slowly, to prevent traction loss. However, some cars with different drivetrains, like FWD and RWD, behaves differently when following this rule. Like a 4WD is able to control its wheelspin, so you can input acceleration more quickly, while a RWD can't. Acceleration input is also important on many race cars, like LMPs, as most of them technically doesn't have TCS. TCS also is important when launching your car from a standstill. However, it still follows the same rule. It is easy to master on both DS3 and wheel, but on DS3, it's more difficult.

And I agree with the others. Using Racing tires is not recommended to learn how to drive w/o any Aids, as the tires has too much grip. Starting with Sports Hard tires is recommended, as it has a lot less grip, but gives you a better learning curve.

first thing I do is put racing soft tires on all my new cars when i get them.! so I get sport tires soft or what?

Sports Hards is what I suggest. A bit lesser grip than Mediums and Softs, but the limited grip gives you a challenge, thus giving you a better learning curve.
 
What type of controls are you using? Your setup will also be key to prevent the car from spinning out.
 
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It´s all about throttle control. Also a good LSD-Setup can male huge differences in accelerating.
I use DS3 and only ABS. I use X and [] for Acc and Brake.
If your comfortable with the low powered cars your on the right way. Just slightly increase the power.
If your good with 300hp move on to 400-500hp. Its a major step and you´ll feel at the begining like a "noob", but after some practice you get used to them.
After that move up in the power scale.
(This was "my" way of learning to drive without TCS/ASM [SRF and Steering assist were never on for me])

Use some of the "crazy"Cars and you´ll get more Spinning but your learning curve is better.
Example:
Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak
Gillet Vertigo
Maxxed Enzo
LMP cars or Group C Race Cars (Audi R10 TDi or Mazda 787B as example)

With those Cars you need to have good throttle control to drive fast lap-times.

Stick to it, and after 2-4 weeks your a non Aid driver :D
PS: First use Racing Hard tires on Race-Cars they are not to grippy and if you want to race online many lobby´s have some Tire-restrictions.
After you have the Throttle control you can put the Racing Softs on and you will see the difference they bring ;)
 
What type of controls are you using? Your setup will also be key to prevent the car from spinning out.

I use a DS3, I am not sure I know what you are asking. If I turn off all aids then I am not using any controls am I?
 
I use a DS3, I am not sure I know what you are asking. If I turn off all aids then I am not using any controls am I?

OK you use the sticks, you still have control of the car. Using the DS3 your control movement are going to be greatly sharpened. A wheel is more controllable more fluid. Change the steering sensitivity to match your style. Work on your set ups from there to make the car more manageable.
 
An easy comparison for aids on versus off. Go to the Seb Loeb Special event Eiger track. Turn all aids on and try to power round a corner. Very little happens, the car just slows. All the power is cut by the aids.
Turn them off one at a time to see the difference. After that, tuning is a must. There are a lot of tunes in the tuning forum to get you started. :)
 
I'm not sure what your DS3 button layout is, but one thing that helped me was using the right analog for throttle instead of "X". I found I could have more range of input with the analog versus the button.

So I use:

Right Analog: Throttle
L2: Brake
R2: Shift Up
R1: Shift Down
Left Analog: Steering
 
An easy comparison for aids on versus off. Go to the Seb Loeb Special event Eiger track. Turn all aids on and try to power round a corner. Very little happens, the car just slows. All the power is cut by the aids.
Turn them off one at a time to see the difference. After that, tuning is a must. There are a lot of tunes in the tuning forum to get you started. :)

you right I have noticed the speed difference with the aids on and with them off. unreal!
 
for me the easy way is to learn the track so u now what gear use in each corner and speed.... ( u can use the driving line to learn the track, i don't do that but i think is helpful <maybe i don;t know>) other think u need to now ur car ( and find a good tune), and know some basic skill or trick:
1. tap tap the gas to over steer the car, it;s helpful with close corner
2. when u enter a corner the worse thing u can do is keep the brake down, why? the car won't turn even with abs ( brake before the corner)
3. don't be afraid to push the gas in the corner but u need to be gentle ( especially with FR car, with FF, AWR u can be less gentle)
4.random fact: other think road can't be faster that a race car in corner!!!!!!
 
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Also a lower final gear tends to help with high horsepower cars. The biggest thing for me was switching my controller's gas and brake to R2 and L2.
 
Everyone basically summed it up, I just learned the other day how to drive with all aids except ABS off and now my laps times are 3-4 seconds faster! Oh and ditch the racing softs.. It kind of takes away from the point of using no aids in the first place. Practice practice practice!
 
I adjusted the lsd way low. This helps with revving after a corner. I use traction control and abs and those settings vary from car to car. Everything else is off. Just takes practice. I use a controller so it's hard for me to run with no traction control.
 
Some of what has been said in here may be helpful, but some is also crap.

If you really aren't that good then take it one step at a time.

1. Sports tyres. Soft medium or hard.... your choice. Try all three.

2. Traction control = 1, ABS = 1. Everything else off.
If a crap driver turns TCS and ABS both off you might as well forget the car and just ram your face straight into a wall.
Don't turn them both off until you improve and feel comfortable with your racing.

3. Choose you're car carefully. Try to stay below 450-500bhp for now.
If you're a worse driver than my missus, then maybe start with a front wheel drive at about 250-300 bhp.

4. Suspesion set-up. OPTIONAL.
If you want to tune your car there are plenty of guides and pre-sets in the Tuning section.
 
first thing I do is put racing soft tires on all my new cars when i get them.! so I get sport tires soft or what?

Well, that's a problem. Racing Soft Tires & full aids... you might as well be driving a sofa. LOL

Aids should be used sparingly when used... try only putting them at the lowest at first, for example.
(Definitely get out of the SRF habit if you're used to using that.)

Try sports tires, and use LSD tuning...
LSD tuning is basically similar to the traction control 'aid'... indeed it's much better, because you can be more precise & not have the car stuck in a stasis field at the corners. You're just controlling the spin a bit.

You have to fool with it a bit though. Basically, start with the LSD at rock bottom, and then move each of them up a little at a time as you test. The accel (2nd option down on the adjustable LSD), is probably going to be what helps you the most (with cars that are tail happy for example).

By far I think the best way to learn to drive poor handling cars without aids & on crap tires is to do online shuffle racing where aids are OFF and track grip is real. None of the cars in shuffle races are very fast... but they don't drive like they're on rails either.
 
My aproach would be different in that i would not try to tune the car before i'm able to drive a clean lap with it (even if it's slow). Too many people try to tune out driver error. Even Yellow Bird can be driven without aids... it might just be veeeery slow and stressful. :p

Start with easy cars and be humble. :)
 
A lot of the cars NEED aids. eg. Traction control, ABS, and even Skid Control and racing soft tires or they are just too stupid to try to handle, even with a GT wheel. For a twisty road track eg. Laguna Seca, take the ASM off first, TC about 7, ABS about 7. Tuning can make a difference too. More horsepower can make the car unstable during acceleration without traction control unless you are easy on the gas. You will get faster lap times with some of the aids ON. It all depends on the car, the tuning and the track you want to drive, eg. Indy oval, no aids required.
 
Practice defiantly does make perfect and if you've been using them for an extended amount of time they can be hard to take off but you have to do it if you want to learn. When taking off traction control for example you really have to learn throttle control on high horsepower cars and such but like I mentioned earlier just keep with it and you'll get a hang for how cars react when you give them to much power, not enough power, etc..
 
For a twisty road track eg. Laguna Seca, take the ASM off first, TC about 7, ABS about 7.

Yeah right. :lol:

Well, that's a problem. Racing Soft Tires & full aids... you might as well be driving a sofa. LOL

^^

If you want to be a lazy racer, put everything up high and follow the Racing Guide for Five Year Olds.
Or you can be a man if you really want to learn, TCS 0 or 1, ABS 1, everything else off and Sports Tyres.
 
A few things that helped me:

Take your favorite car out on the track, turn all aids off, and basically kill its power output with the customizable LSD. You'll be painfully slow, but practice with the car that way. Then gradually get the LSD back to normal, and try to see where your limit is. Once you find a setting you're comfortable and fast with work on the driving itself.
I was used to giving full power out of a corner when I was using the aids, but you'll need to learn to be much more precise and delicate with your thumb. Seems impossible at first, but you'll get the hang of it. I did! Anway, good luck!
 
You will get faster lap times with some of the aids ON.

Not entirely true.

I raced with many members here in the GTP Weekly Race Series on GT4 and GT5P.
A very high majority of the top racers in divisions 1 & 2, myself included, with the exception of ABS set to 1, we raced with ALL other aids off, and a manual gearbox, and guess what....
...racers using aids were nearly always slower, thus they were the majority in divisions 3 & 4.

Use R2 for acceleration. This will give you better throttle control.

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Remap your buttons to R2 - Accelerator, L2 - Brake
 
Not entirely true.

I raced with many members here in the GTP Weekly Race Series on GT4 and GT5P.
A very high majority of the top racers in divisions 1 & 2, myself included, with the exception of ABS set to 1, we raced with ALL other aids off, and a manual gearbox, and guess what....
...racers using aids were nearly always slower, thus they were the majority in divisions 3 & 4.



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Remap your buttons to R2 - Accelerator, L2 - Brake

I was going to say use L2 for brake but that won't help with throttle control. I normally brake fully so square for braking is fine but I use L2 to brake and R2 to accelerate.
 
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