Drove a stick for the first time...

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Wow. I'm amazed that some of you were able to start without stalling the first time in a stick. It took me several tries before I finally got the car moving without severe jerking. I could barely go in circles in an empty church parking lot and almost gave up on driving a stick altogether, even though that is what I had been craving for. Of course, my first trip outside the parking lot was quite rough, and the lack of power steering didn't make things any easier. Now I love driving my '89 Integra, though the aforementioned stop-and-go traffic is no fun.

Question: What is the best way to slow the car in preparation for a stop or curve? Thus far, I've been shifting the car into neutral and just riding the clutch (especially going down hills). Is this okay? I'm not harming the car or clutch am I?
 
Ooh, major bumpage! Oh well, it's a worthwhile thread. :)

To answer your question: Actually, I don't have an exact answer, because it's been something I've been wondering myself. However, the DMV booklet says to shift into neutral when approaching a stop, but doesn't say anything about the clutch. Personally, what I find easiest (though I don't know if it's "right") is to just stick the clutch pedal in, and while stopping, shift into first. That way, I'm set to go right away. I imagine it wouldn't cause damage to the car, unless you don't keep your foot down all the way on the clutch pedal (since then it would partially re-engage, which would wear it out a bit).
 
Manuals are a lot funner. It just seems that your acutally driving the car, as opposed for along for the ride.

I'm still not all that great at driving a stick, even though I've been driving them for a couple years. *shakes head* I'm still getting used to the Impreza. It has a lot more torque and the AWD makes seem very different. But I'm constantly trying to improve upon my shifting techniques.

My overall goal is making everything smooth. I'm getting better and better, upshifting is starting to feel better. Starting isn't hard, I tend to over rev it and slip the clutch, but it's not wonderful. Thats probably one of the worst parts that I should have down. I have double clutching down pretty well. Now I'm trying the heel-toe variation of that. Its going.... swell. :P

And for my first time.... I screwed the crap out of my dad's truck when first learning a stick. I learned the Hyundai by myself easier than the truck with my dad.
 
What is double clutching? And if someone could explain the heel-toe technique to me I would appreciate it.
 
Over here, everyone must drive manual when obtaining a license.

No exceptions, maybe for the disabled only auto is allowed.
 
Originally posted by FuryX21
What is double clutching? And if someone could explain the heel-toe technique to me I would appreciate it.

Double clutching is a way of downshifting that is much easier on the syncros and gives a much smoother shift.

Say your driving and you need to slow down, or turn, or something that requires you to downshift and for this instance we'll use going from 3rd into 2nd. You push in on the clutch and then bring the stick into neutral and then release the clutch. You then rev the engine, push in on the clutch and pop it into second. If you do it correctly, you don't get any sort of jump, or a bog. Just a nice shift, and take off that leaves you with a smile of satisfaction.

See, you break the connection between the engine and transmission (partially) when you have it neutral. Reving it, only revs the engine, while the transmission is still spinning fairly quickly from 3rd. Reving the engine makes the speed of the engine and the speed of the transmission the same. This saves the syncros because they're no longer needing to syncronize the speeds of the engine/transmission.

The heel-toe is slightly harder. I started off by doing the above a lot before I got the hang of it, but you quickly come to the conclusion that you sometimes need to be braking while shifting. With the above technique, I would have to downshift, then start braking. Or pause while I was breaking to do this.

You start off the same way. Clutch in, put it into neutral. Then, or whenever, you start to apply the brakes with the balls of right foot. Then with your heel, you rev the engine, and then clutch, downshift. I've only done the Heel-Toe way correctly a few times. Normally it just leaves me with a crunchy shift and a disgusted look on my face.

As far as I know, that is how everything works in the transmission. I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure thats how it goes. But those are the steps you go through.
 
Originally posted by regulate
i still dont know how to drive a stick, though i was offered to be taught by this chick, that she'd teach me in her topless jeep, but that was like three years ago and we hardly saw each other, but i saw her a while ago so maybe if everything goes well ill learn one of these days, im tiered of driving an auto, plus i drive with my left hand anyways so the whole shifting/turning thing shouldnt be that hard.

Lol my eyes messed with me I read it to say:
"This topless chic in a jeep..." lol, I read in the strangest order cos i skim read and then its doesnt make sense so read half the sentance backwards... lol dont ask, I had a crappy english teacher.
 
Originally posted by TsLeng
Over here, everyone must drive manual when obtaining a license.

No exceptions, maybe for the disabled only auto is allowed.
That seems kinda harsh, over here you either have an auto only or a manual license (which allows you to drive both) which is a little more fair than "YOU MUST LEARN IN A MANUAL... or you will be taken out and shot like the victim of technology you are!"

Sorry for double postin, I didnt read the whole thing before i voiced my opinions... (would you?)
 
dad took me out two days ago for my first real drive of the 4x4 (SUV) and i had fun. We went out into the bush (im only 15) and i had a drive. its a manual (stick) and i was used to my dirtbike and racing wheel on pc so it took a while to get used to it. the accelerator is touchy and the sterring wheel has to be turned a lot to turn sharp corners :lol:. i cant wait to go out again.
 
i drive my dads manual sunfire every once in a while on our backroads, he is in the car sitting beside me i'm not that bad i only stalled once. gt3 messes me up thought cuz you have to push the gas so lightly compared to gt3
 
Originally posted by halfracedrift
But.. Here's my question:

How do you drive a manual without stalling, and what ARE the reasons for stalling?

An engine will stall when it is unable to run fast enough. Because intermittent forces (the explosions in the cylinders) are asked to produce consistent output (the rotation of the crankshaft), there is a minimum engine speed at which the smooth motion can be sustained. This is usually somewhere in the region of 300rpm for a normal four cylinder car, but you will find the engine very jerky at this speed, and so the idle speed is usually set around the 750rpm mark.

An engine can develop a given amount of torque based on the output of the exploding fuel/air mixture. Power = torque x engine speed, and therefore an engine produces more power at greater revs. If the load on the engine is less than the amount of power the engine is producing, the engine speed will rise, and vice versa.

So, an engine will stall when you come off the clutch too quickly (increasing the load) or don't have enough power (through your accelerator position). It's a balance.

In stop-start traffic, you should find the throttle and clutch balance that allows you to move the car without the engine speed changing at all, and without your passengers noticing. This is often easier in second gear, where the relationship between clutch position and forward motion is slightly blurred.

Originally posted by FuryX21
Question: What is the best way to slow the car in preparation for a stop or curve? Thus far, I've been shifting the car into neutral and just riding the clutch (especially going down hills). Is this okay? I'm not harming the car or clutch am I?

A lot of it is personal taste. However, if I'm slowing in a big hurry from high speed to low speed (say from 80mph for a 15mph turn), I'll brake, wait for the engine speed to get down to about 2,000 rpm, then downshift into 3rd, retaining brake pressure, and feeding the clutch out slowly. This provides some engine braking. Advanced drivers (I haven't mastered this yet) can use their heel, or the right side of their right foot, to rock the throttle, matching engine speed for the new gear. Then, at about 2,000rpm again, I'll drop the clutch, leaving it in 3rd, until I come to the point that I need to accelerate again. Then, I'll hook second, and roll off the brakes, dial in a couple of thousand rpm on the throttle (remember, we need 15mph), and feed the clutch out gently.

When the clutch is depressed, there is a mechanism that keeps the plates apart. If the speed differential between the two plates is too high, this causes undue stress on the mechanism, advancing clutch wear. My wife is one for braking and downshifting, but she brakes way too early, and is thus sitting in first gear, with her foot on the clutch some 300m before she needs power again. I finally managed to get her to hear the whining in the transmission that this caused, and she's stopped it now.

If you're not interested in going down through the gears as you decelerate (and frankly, in good weather conditions, there's little in the way of evidence to suggest that it's required), you're best off putting the car in neutral and coming off the clutch, just braking to your exit speed. In poor weather, you will need to be extremely sensitive to what the front wheels are doing if you do this, because you won't have any engine inertia helping to keep the front wheels unlocked. Obviously this is not an issue for ABS-equipped cars.

You should never, ever, engage neutral in an automatic while the car is travelling at more than 10mph. This is to do with the oil transfer around the gearbox.
 
thanks for that knowlegde

encylo giles
 
Originally posted by Crayola
That seems kinda harsh, over here you either have an auto only or a manual license (which allows you to drive both) which is a little more fair than "YOU MUST LEARN IN A MANUAL... or you will be taken out and shot like the victim of technology you are!"

Sorry for double postin, I didnt read the whole thing before i voiced my opinions... (would you?)

And the car we use is lousy. 660cc super small car.
 
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