Dual motor cars

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I won the Honda dual note concept car today, and tried it out. Cool car. It's a high performance hybrid with an electric motor that turns on to power the front wheels during hard driving. The rear wheels are powered by a regular gasoline engine.

When you look at the power band, you get two power graphs. One is the normal engine, and the other is for the electric motor.

Do any other cars in the game have power graphs for two separate motors?
 
I have the Honda Dual Note and Acura DN-X and I dont have to graph for those cars.
There is a line for power band and the other one is for torque.
 
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Yea, you sure that you aren't just seeing the TQ/HP lines?

The electric engine doesn't really have a curve. It has full torque at 0 RPM and stays flat the whole way.
 
I wish they would give us the option to change the engine in our cars. For example a B16 engine in a Lotus Elise.
 
It can be a little misleading with rotary engines, I remember I had Top Trumps cards (remember those?) when I was very young, perhaps around 1980, and the early RX-7 had the engine capacity down as 2 x 573cc, as there were two chambers/rotors. Presumably they measure the total capacity nowadays, but I need to check, as 1,146cc still seems a little puny even for the first series!
 
The only dual engine I can think of (no hybrid) in GT5 is the Nardo concept (?)

its a W12, which is essentially just two V6 motors side by side and synced together
 
On that basis, the TVR Speed 12 also (it's basically two TVR Speed Six engines mated together) but I think it's more than just some vague connection, I think with the Nardo and Speed 12 you are still looking at one engine really, and one drivetrain, unlike some of the bizarre twin-engined tuner cars you see.
 
unlike some of the bizarre twin-engined tuner cars you see.

There are some factory made twin-engined cars as well, like the Citroën 2CV Sahara (made in small numbers).

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And the Mini-based Twini.

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And Mercedes actually build 2 of these A-Class 190 Twin cars in 1998 for both David Coulthard and Mika Hakinnen.

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The only dual engine I can think of (no hybrid) in GT5 is the Nardo concept (?)

its a W12, which is essentially just two V6 motors side by side and synced together

No, it is a single 12-cylinder engine. Design-wise it is basically two of VW's VR6 engines mated at the crankshaft, but it is a single engine with I believe a single block.

Rotaries are a little strange in that you get basically twice the work out of each rotation as there is a full cycle each rotation, so the 4-rotor 787B was in some ways similar to an 8-cylinder piston engine (with the nominal displacement doubled for rule purposes, just as the 1.3 liter Wankel in the RX-8 is often treated as a 2.6 liter engine). But it, too, is a single engine with all four rotors turning a common crankshaft.
 
It can be a little misleading with rotary engines, I remember I had Top Trumps cards (remember those?) when I was very young, perhaps around 1980, and the early RX-7 had the engine capacity down as 2 x 573cc, as there were two chambers/rotors. Presumably they measure the total capacity nowadays, but I need to check, as 1,146cc still seems a little puny even for the first series!
Mazda is inconsistent about that even today. Most of the time they label the engine in the RX-8 as a 1.3 liter, but there are still times where they list it as 2 x 654cc.
 
I have tu Honda Dual Note and Acura DN-X and I dont have to graph for those cars.
There is a line for power band and the other one is for torque.

I don't knows what you're saying exactly... But go ahead and find your Honda dual note concept car. You will see the engine power&torque for the engine powering the rear wheels... and then another flat line that shows the power for the electric motor that runs the front tires separately at high engine rpms.

Fancy.

So do we know if there are any other cars in GT5 with two motors?
 
No, it is a single 12-cylinder engine. Design-wise it is basically two of VW's VR6 engines mated at the crankshaft, but it is a single engine with I believe a single block.

Rotaries are a little strange in that you get basically twice the work out of each rotation as there is a full cycle each rotation, so the 4-rotor 787B was in some ways similar to an 8-cylinder piston engine (with the nominal displacement doubled for rule purposes, just as the 1.3 liter Wankel in the RX-8 is often treated as a 2.6 liter engine). But it, too, is a single engine with all four rotors turning a common crankshaft.

It's stranger than that, even! There are three ignition events per rotation of the rotor. The rotor is mounted on an eccentric shaft, kept in sync by epicyclic gears whose ratio of teeth is 3:2. Epicyclic means that the gears traverse around each other (as opposed to being stationary, e.g. in a gearbox).

The smaller gears in a rotary engine are fixed in the housings. Because one gear is stationary, the effective ratio is now a function of the eccentricity of the gears, which is equivalent to the difference in diameter. It turns out that for a gearset with ratio of 3:2, having the inner (smaller) gear stationary results in the larger gear orbiting the smaller one at a rate of 3 times its actual rotation. I still haven't got my head around a mathematical proof for this. :boggled:

The purpose of these gears, remember, is to maintain the synchronisation between the rotor and eccentric shaft, so their eccentricity must be the same. Therefore, the eccentric shaft, which is also the output shaft, has the same 3:1 ratio as the epicyclic gears, since the "orbit" of the rotor becomes the rotation of the eccentric shaft. See here for a nice animation, which really is better than the thousand words I'd need to properly explain it!



In short, the output shaft rotates at three times the rate of the rotor. There are three ignition events per rotation of the rotor; hence one per rotation of the output shaft. This is twice as many as there are for an ordinary, "four-stroke" piston engine, or the same as a "two-stroke" piston engine.
Since an ignition event represents the start / end point for the cycling of the working volume in an engine, and hence the extraction of power from it, the fact that two strokes and rotaries "use" their volumes twice as frequently as four strokes (with respect to the output shaft), their displacements are often doubled for regulatory purposes.

Heh, off topic... sorry. :O
 
The only dual engine I can think of (no hybrid) in GT5 is the Nardo concept (?)

its a W12, which is essentially just two V6 motors side by side and synced together

You sir owe me a new keyboard! (Note to self, do not read forums whilst sipping coffee....:dopey:)

'W' is just the easiest way of saying what the engine is, its basically 2 V6's sharing a single crankshaft and bottom end (designed around 4 sets of 3 cylinders ofcourse). Did you think a Veyron has 2 V8 engines too?
 
The Cultus from GT2 had twin 1.5L V6 engines. The Escudo always had a single 2.5L V6.



"Long before Nobuhiro "Monster" Tajima rocketed his Escudos and XL7s up Pikes Peak, he started out with a twin engined Suzuki Cultus powered by two heavily modified and turbocharged G16s each pushing out 400hp leading to an 800hp 4WD monster in an 873kg package. After his run was over with this car he went on to running with twin engined Escudos and then on to his usual lot of single engined Escudos and XL7s. Now VW also did a couple twin engined experiments for the same hill climb using Sciroccos and Golfs, but of course VW exited the sport after lacking success, unlike Suzuki who continuously tried up to the point where it's a one horse race now."
 
You sir owe me a new keyboard! (Note to self, do not read forums whilst sipping coffee....:dopey:)

'W' is just the easiest way of saying what the engine is, its basically 2 V6's sharing a single crankshaft and bottom end (designed around 4 sets of 3 cylinders ofcourse). Did you think a Veyron has 2 V8 engines too?

No, this:
No, it is a single 12-cylinder engine. Design-wise it is basically two of VW's VR6 engines mated at the crankshaft, but it is a single engine with I believe a single block.

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Here's a nice video outlining the principles. Note that Horex are working in partnership with VW. And I know the Fulvia came first ;)

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The so-called "W" engines use two of these assemblies mated to a single crankshaft using a split-pin design, so that cylinders in opposite "banks" share a split-pin pair. They look more like chunky V engines, not at all like a W.

Bah... off-topic again. :dunce:
 
Thats a more complex way of saying what I've just said, gold star coming your way!

And besides, the VR6 bit is a VW trademark, what happens if someone like Ford creates a W12? What then? Its not a VR6 derivative....
 
You sir owe me a new keyboard! (Note to self, do not read forums whilst sipping coffee....:dopey:)

'W' is just the easiest way of saying what the engine is, its basically 2 V6's sharing a single crankshaft and bottom end (designed around 4 sets of 3 cylinders ofcourse). Did you think a Veyron has 2 V8 engines too?

after doing research, I saw that its just 12 cylinders pretty much jammed into each other. The "w" of the engine opposition still kinda applies but the applications I can see this being practical for are limited - 12 cylinders in a W in an MR car is kinda cool I guess but hasn't Ferrari, Lambo, etc been doing V12 cylinders in an MR layout (with better results) for years now?

don't see(or hear about) them often in the states, seems that VW was the only company really gave it a run huh? isn't the Phaeton discontinued?

a w12 must be a pain in the rear to work on...
 
The only dual engine I can think of (no hybrid) in GT5 is the Nardo concept (?)

its a W12, which is essentially just two V6 motors side by side and synced together

Just like the Veyron W16, it's just 2 4-liter twin turbo V-8's
 
I don't knows what you're saying exactly... But go ahead and find your Honda dual note concept car. You will see the engine power&torque for the engine powering the rear wheels... and then another flat line that shows the power for the electric motor that runs the front tires separately at high engine rpms.

Fancy.

So do we know if there are any other cars in GT5 with two motors?

I'll do better than just watch, I'll share my result with the entire world :dopey:

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Edit: the "flat line" is for fitment issue, not the power from the electric motors.

Edit²: proving my point from Edit #1, I'll use the Toyota Prius, wich also have gas & electric motor.

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The Chaparral 2J has 2 engines (1) a 700hp ZL-1 Corvette engine for the rear wheels and (2) a 45hp snowmobile motor to power the 2 17" suction fans that create down force at all speeds. Pity they were banned, I guess McLaren couldn't bear the embarrassment.
 
The Chaparral 2J has 2 engines (1) a 700hp ZL-1 Corvette engine for the rear wheels and (2) a 45hp snowmobile motor to power the 2 17" suction fans that create down force at all speeds. Pity they were banned, I guess McLaren couldn't bear the embarrassment.

McLaren copied that in the 90's with the F1....2 electric fans to aid in downforce.
 
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