Duplicating

[AcceptYourDeath]

@Ya Pops

You are working arround my arguments a bit

To gain cars which should never exist is not collecting. If you duplicate a car worth 20.000.000Cr or rare and flooding garages with it, everybody who likes to "COLLECT" is losing out.

Afaik ther is not button which will duplicate cars for you in GT5. But there are options to gift (trade) objects.


@Fair Trader

Are you f`ing serious thats YOUR nickname?

its only a game play it how you want to play it

It`s always just a game, do you see a soccer player picking up the ball with his hands and running across the field, because he could? Because he likes to play it that way perhaps?

If you participate in any game you have to admit to play it within its rules.
You trade cars so you participate, and thats why you can`t do whatever you want.

Just because you bought and own a game doesn`t mean you are allowed to cheat or exploit it if you affect other players. Are you allowed to cheat at poker just because you bought a set of poker cards? If you play on your own you are, if you parcitipate in a game you are not.

 

[icleolion]

@AcceptYourDeath: Ya Pops doesn't need to work around your arguments as they are based on duping being considering against the rules. It isn't, therefore your argument is moot.

 

[chris78cpr]

I had no interest in doing it until I found out the 370Z academy can only be acquired via a gift ticket. I refuse to let luck determine whether I get a complete garage or not. I shouldn't have to trade with someone else either as there would never be enough 370Z Academy cars to go round, so if the car has to be duped, I may as well dupe it.

Is that true? Hmmm balls! I'm going for the complete garage and i can see getting that car being a problem!

 

[SJames052]

I can't agree with the argument that duping harms collectors. That would be true only if, as in reality, there were only one example existing, like an original Auto Union. But, that's a real car with real value to the person who obtained it, and it will maintain value after the person who owns it is gone. That's not the case with these virtual cars, where the primary value as collectibles is the ability of any player to collect them. There's no rule saying that duplicating cars is wrong, and it does not limit any collector from obtaining any car. It's not like someone steals an AutoUnion, thereby preventing a legitimate collector from owning one; and it's not like creating a fake.

 

[icleolion]

Is that true? Hmmm balls! I'm going for the complete garage and i can see getting that car being a problem!

As it stands at the moment, the only way I know you can get this car is by getting it from the lvl 12 gift ticket, or being gifted it by another user. I'm not sure if you can get it from the 1000 gift ticket.

 

[Fair Trader]

@Fair Trader

Are you f`ing serious thats YOUR nickname?

It`s always just a game, do you see a soccer player picking up the ball with his hands and running across the field, because he could? Because he likes to play it that way perhaps?

If you participate in any game you have to admit to play it within its rules.
You trade cars so you participate, and thats why you can`t do whatever you want.

Just because you bought and own a game doesn`t mean you are allowed to cheat or exploit it if you affect other players. Are you allowed to cheat at poker just because you bought a set of poker cards? If you play on your own you are, if you parcitipate in a game you are not.

No fair trader is not MY nickname, it's the name I chose to use for this forum

Not sure why you are comparing "sport's" to video games!!

Yes I bought this game and I will play it how I like, nothing you do or say will change that... I dont tell people how to play their games, nor do you have the right to try and tell people how to...

If it makes you feel any better I am level 15 A-spec, level 0 B-spec, and I have every car I want

And I dont play poker, but if I did I would cheat if I had to to win

All the best

 

[BigYoSpeck]

I duplicate because I think the whole premiss of "earning" cars is a joke.

I pay nearly £40 for a game so I can have fun and I am forced to spend hours and hours just trying to unlock the game I have already paid for.

Any way at all that can help me get more of the game I have paid for I will do.

They should have two parts to the game. One like it is now for people who have too much time on their hands and another for people who just like driving fast cars around different tracks.

The unlocking process is the game though. It's not as though you're forced to sit for hours doing mindless, un-enjoyable tasks for reward (unless you do B-Spec) you're doing the fun bit which is driving cars on tracks.

The human mind has a fairly simple mechanism for effort/reward. When we do something that's an effort and gain a reward, our mind attributes enjoyment to the activity, and depending on the level of effort, value to the reward. People who do the whole duplicating process are still subject to this, but rather than the activity being hitting the track and trying to drive well, it's replaced with having found a workaround/exploit in the system to achieve the same goal.

I think that if you have the mindset I paid XX for this game and shouldn't have to make any effort to play it, you deprive your self of the value of what you paid for it.

 

[SJames052]

I think that if you have the mindset I paid XX for this game and shouldn't have to make any effort to play it,

But, don't some people also dupe because they want to obtain cars they want to use and drive? Don't those people have to actually play the game and earn enough credits to be able to dupe in the first place? If the duped car is sold or gifted to someone who hasn't earned it, then I agree that it cheats the owner and defeats (what I might think) is the purpose of the game (i.e., to enjoy driving and racing cars).

 

[Shane136]

I didn't start duping until last week, I wanted to get all the 2m+ race cars which would cost like 200m so I grinded a few races and cycled the UCD until I got two rare cars people wanted and started duping them for other cars. I turned a C60 Hybride - Judd Race Car '05 and a Speed 8 Race Car '03 into every race car over 1.5m in just under a week.

I also made 7 b-day glitch accounts while I had to wait for the trade limit and got 1-2 of the classic bday glitch cars which I could bring in 7-8 new race cars a day with.

I don't race online, I tell people I trade with that I dupe in case they are one of the people who cares. I don't want to grind American championship literally over 1,000 times and then spend literally days cycling my UCD for the race cars. I did what would have take weeks in just an hour a day for 6 days.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

But, don't some people also dupe because they want to obtain cars they want to use and drive? Don't those people have to actually play the game and earn enough credits to be able to dupe in the first place? If the duped car is sold or gifted to someone who hasn't earned it, then I agree that it cheats the owner and defeats (what I might think) is the purpose of the game (i.e., to enjoy driving and racing cars).

The chap I responded to doesn't really fit with your example though so it's not really what I was arguing against.

Your example is an entirely different debate, but still one that I don't see the point in as I've found that since the introduction of the seasonal events the game spoon feeds you access cr and exp at a sufficient rate to acquire cars frequent enough to actually use them for something rather than just hoarding a garage full of collectable cars. The last week I've got my hands on a Yellowbird, Minolta and FGT and I've only just started making use of them. Mucking about duplicating them, selling them and hoarding even more cars I'm never going to get a chance to use because of the rate I acquire them is a sure fire way to kill the longevity of the game.

It's like people who pirate games. My bro bought my nephew a DS a couple of years back with an R4, and the rate the kid went through games was silly and he eventually lost the DS because it was of so little value to him. If you indulge too much in something it loses it's appeal.

 

[Ya Pops]

The unlocking process is the game though. It's not as though you're forced to sit for hours doing mindless, un-enjoyable tasks for reward (unless you do B-Spec) you're doing the fun bit which is driving cars on tracks.

The human mind has a fairly simple mechanism for effort/reward. When we do something that's an effort and gain a reward, our mind attributes enjoyment to the activity, and depending on the level of effort, value to the reward. People who do the whole duplicating process are still subject to this, but rather than the activity being hitting the track and trying to drive well, it's replaced with having found a workaround/exploit in the system to achieve the same goal.

I think that if you have the mindset I paid XX for this game and shouldn't have to make any effort to play it, you deprive your self of the value of what you paid for it.

I somewhat agree with the first part I've highlighted as I've done a fair bit of Bday glitching in the early days of the game and quite enjoyed it to be honest (well, mostly..), but I bought this game to drive these cars first and foremost.
Which brings me to the second highlighted section.

There are some that fit the category you describe, but speaking for myself, despite having gained pretty much every car I want (check the sig ) I've still been hammering the game to reach A-spec 31 and B-spec 34 and I don't feel like I've missed out on anything.
I've been able to save a fair bit of cash to buy all the things I didn't have time to trade for (like the entire Super GT/JGTC collection) without resenting a poor game structure which is designed to artificially extend the lifetime of the singleplayer game due to a lack of varied events compared to say, the last GT.

I feel that you're oversimplifying it by saying that if you do this kind of thing, then you won't bother with the game. It's not true in most cases, and even if it were, it only affects the person that does it.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

Each to their own

I like GT as a sim of something I can't (or should I say haven't) done in real life. One thing I liked about when I first got into GT3 was the career type feel the game had. You start with enough cash to buy a silly little Kei car, do some races in it which have competitive opponents, earn enough to splash some upgrades to make it competitive for the next cup and gradually build your way up the ranks. If I wanted a blast in a faster car I could stick arcade mode on.

But GT5 it all feels like it's come quite easy. Maybe to a complete novice it's the same as GT3 was and it's only now that I know how to make wiser decisions and use the prize cars more effectively that single player has been such a walk through but I miss the pursuit of acquiring something new.

 

[Possum-Eater]

So here is my point - I don`t have a problem if people cheat, hack, exploit a game as long as they are playing singleplayer.
I do have a problem when it affects online gaming in any way or a community associated with a game.

I don`t care about trophys at all, some ppl do!
Some ppl like to collect cars (legit) and trade - duplicating is ruining this.
Some ppl put the effort into GT5 to unlock a X2010 or buy any car, and duplicating is lowering this experience.

Thats the whole problem with cheating in gaming, those who don`t care exploiting a game are affecting others which won`t do it and that is selfish!

If you can`t achieve anything within the ruleset of a game you have to accept it, anything else is cheating in the sense of the word itself.

"I have no time..." "I don`t want to..." "..but i`d like to..." are all excuses nothing else.


@GTPlanet.com

Whats the point of this forum section

"GT5 Marketplace (237 Viewing)
Trade with others in our community and collect the cars you really want.

at the same time you tolerate topics about how to duplicate and birthday glitch?

Holy **** I wish I could put that in my sig! That is 100% the way I feel.

I might dupe cars if I needed to get a car that was impossible to get any other way. (like the 370z acedemy)

But, I PERSONALLY, like to work for all my other cars. It makes them seem worth more if you work for a week to earn the credits and then it seems to be more fun than telling some dude to send you a dup. It make the cars seem more special.

That is my opinion. I am not trying to push it off on anyone. If you love duping cars than I support you I just want everyone to have fun. To every man his own. As long as it doesn't ruin online play everything is perfectly fine.

 

[SJames052]

Well, I agree with your argument about the ease of accumulating credits. However, there is a built in credit limit of 20 million and some of the most desirable (and I assume duplicated) cars are 20 million. But, there are not 20 new seasonal events offered every day. I also agree that indulgence may lead to boredom ... with duping, but not with driving. It's the difference between the satisfaction of acquiring and the joy of having. Some collectors like to look at their stuff; others like to use them.

 

[Ya Pops]

Each to their own

I like GT as a sim of something I can't (or should I say haven't) done in real life. One thing I liked about when I first got into GT3 was the career type feel the game had. You start with enough cash to buy a silly little Kei car, do some races in it which have competitive opponents, earn enough to splash some upgrades to make it competitive for the next cup and gradually build your way up the ranks. If I wanted a blast in a faster car I could stick arcade mode on.

But GT5 it all feels like it's come quite easy. Maybe to a complete novice it's the same as GT3 was and it's only now that I know how to make wiser decisions and use the prize cars more effectively that single player has been such a walk through but I miss the pursuit of acquiring something new.

I agree with that, and if the singleplayer career had been done properly it would be fine to go about it that way.
I used to be a Forza 3 man, and though the career was a little long winded (& slightly sterile), it at least had a great length and depth of variety that just isn't here in GT5.
I had no desire to find a way to cheat the game there.

Now that I have pretty much got all I want, I am starting to miss the pursuit of new toys too, but there's still a lot of cars in the garage that I haven't got round to driving yet so there's still plenty of fun to be had.

If you love driving games then it doesn't really matter if you have all the cars too soon or not, you'll play until the next GT comes out like a lot of GT fans on this site have done.

I just hope that game hacks don't **** up the online portion as that'll be even worse than a room full of w*nkers in AWD vipers on FM3...

 

[BigYoSpeck]

Well, I agree with your argument about the ease of accumulating credits. However, there is a built in credit limit of 20 million and some of the most desirable (and I assume duplicated) cars are 20 million. But, there are not 20 new seasonal events offered every day. I also agree that indulgence may lead to boredom ... with duping, but not with driving. It's the difference between the satisfaction of acquiring and the joy of having. Some collectors like to look at their stuff; others like to use them.

It's fair enough at that point, such a person would probably already have eked out most of the value there is in the game (presuming they've played with no exploits).

I think PD is trying to simulate car ownership and collection with it's system of purchase. Real car collectors make choices in what they will add to their collection, they don't just instantly grab every car they ever fantasise over, they build up a collection over a long period. This I suspect is the aim in GT. You can only have 20m cr so when purchase time comes you have to make a decision and PD probably hope there will be a certain level of attachment and sentiment to that purchase. Then you have to wait a while to amass more money via seasonal events and multiplayer until you can add another to your collection.

Personally if I wanted to simulate car collecting I think I'd go for die casts

 

[SJames052]

I'm sentimental about Ford GTs and I want the entire collection. I've earned and spent my 20million more than once already. I have no issue with saving up by grinding to get what I want. I'm A-spec 30 and B-spec 35; so, actually, Bob (or Andre, George or Mike) steal . .. er, earn my credits for new cars. But, I don't consider it cheating and it doesn't make me question my work ethic. (It takes time to push that "ok" button in the Cream Car Championship (? ). Ok, I have to admit that I have always had a second account, not for duping, just as a second career. It was just a matter of redoing all the events from the beginning. I have actual virtual "dupes" (second copies) of some cars that I bought by accident. Would it be unethical for me to gift them to myself rather than buy them again? Oh well, I did it with the MINI that I changed the oil on by mistake before the seasonal challenge.

 

[GhostBoy]

I don't. I don't need it at all. Got max cash, and most of the cars I really like .

 

[ldmj808]

i dupe cars lol. but yeah its a video game, you do whatever u want 👍

 

[Possum-Eater]

I just hope that game hacks don't **** up the online portion as that'll be even worse than a room full of w*nkers in AWD vipers on FM3...

I know what you mean, man. I would be so mad if they did that.

 

[IceMan PJN]

Are you tired of duplicating or do you do it on a reqular basis and think it is alright.

I have mixed feelings about it.

On the one hand, there's the fact that it's just a friggin' game and if someone enjoys playing it that way (duping cars), then I guess more power to them.

On the other hand, it is circumventing the way the game was intended to be played and does devalue cars. Even if I'm not personally involved in the whole duping scene, it's suddenly a lot less meaningful to acquire a collection of expensive or rare cars if half the community has easily obtained them via duping. You earn your way into possession of a handful of 20-mil cars and are proud of your accomplishment, but then the next guy shrugs it off as no big deal because he obtained them in just a few days of duping.

Still, I figure that when you get down to the bottom line, play the game the way it entertains you to play it and don't worry so much about how other folks are playing it. It's just like with crying over the lifting of seasonal event restrictions; if someone wants to blow through them half-asleep, that's fine, and if there's folks that want difficult restrictions then they can simply choose to do those events with self-imposed restrictions. Nobody's forcing anybody to do anything here.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

The whole duplication could have been a none issue if PD had simply given all cars a unique VIN, that way even if you load up an old save as soon as you go on line the duplicate could be spotted and removed.

On top of this they would need to change the gifting to support trading as well, you could set up a trade for a certain amount of cr or another car(s).

 

[AcceptYourDeath]

Ya Pops are you able to log in at mygranturismo.net? I`ve created an account yesterday and started to manage my garage. All of the sudden the page couldn`t respond and today I can`t log in anymore.

 

[niknokers]

@BigYoSpeck

@GTPlanet.com

Whats the point of this forum section

"GT5 Marketplace (237 Viewing)
Trade with others in our community and collect the cars you really want.

at the same time you tolerate topics about how to duplicate and birthday glitch?

Calling moderators out there. I wonder whats keepin' you busy and this thread is still open.. I dont want to think that selective locking is being done here..

 

[niky]

There is absolutely no need for another one of these, is there?

Sorry this lock came so late, but with the millions of new threads offering duplicated X1s and millions more begging, these things can get buried under the search limit.