Easiest way to fabricate engine mounts?

[Duke]

I don't think we're trying to offend the OP - rather just give him some perspective from a realistic standpoint (that it really wouldn't be worth it, unless you REALLY have a thing for Gen 3 Camaros).

This. I don't have anything against the car itself - certainly not to the point that the poster quoted above does, anyway. And undoubtedly Feral Pigeon will read this and say I don't like engine swaps since I have pointed out flaws in his schemes at well. This even though I have done several myself.

Maybe it's just that the OP has not really outlined his goals for us to understand, but if one makes the basic assumption that the goal is to improve the car, there are many easier and more cost-effective routes to go. Including simply replacing the car for a better one at the same or less cost/effort.

 

[JCE]

It's your car and your thread, but turning an aggressively deaf ear to people who may disagree with you or see holes in your chosen plan is a great way to waste a metric ton of money and effort.

I don't care about the people who are disagreeing with me per se, it is the people coming in here JUST to bash my car (or choice or car/engine) or don't even bother to post information I requested for in my first post. If they don't have anything productive to say then why are they in here other than to troll and or cause problems?

@Duke: I'm sorry but I don't quite understand...

JCE's not getting mad at people saying the swap won't work out etc etc... It's those coming in just to bash his car choice.

We get it, the 3rd gen Camaro is the worst car on earth blah blah blah blah blah. At least they look decent (which can't be said about most 4th gens) and aren't awful enough in any one way to stop them from becoming decent performers in any given discipline. If you don't like the car someone's chosen as their project it's not really any concern of yours now is it?

Thank you for getting it, you hit the nail on the head. If people disagree that's fine, however that does not give them license to blindly insult the perspective project and or person. These people are trolls yes? If I wanted to be an ass I could just as easily insult whatever vehicles they have, what they've done to it and ask why they didn't by MX-5's or whatnot (since that is the car of the moment on here )

Oddly, I've been treated better overall by the Fbody community and Ecotec community versus the Mustang community and here.

 

[The Outlaw]

Actually we have given productive responses (mostly questioning your true intent with the project, beyond just doing something different), you have just not responded with any type of direct answer or reasoning, instead you have gotten upset that we even come into your thread to question your project (a project which you seem quite green to).

All we're trying to do is to let you know (by giving suggestions & constructive criticism) that taking on such a project (just to create something that's different) is probably not going to be worth it in the end, especially if you don't have a lot of fabrication knowledge as well as solutions to the wiring/engine management complications. To do everything the right way, and freshen up the entire car so that it makes any sense (what sense does it make to put such a motor in when your suspension is likely completely shot, the paint is completely toast, as well as myriad of other issues) would realistically take $15-20k at the very least...and that's if you're doing everything yourself. For the same price you could pick up a used E36 BMW in decent condition and throw a LS1 (w/ Vorschlag's kit) in it for about $10-15k and have a car that makes way more sense and will kill that 3rd gen Camaro in every possible way (looks are subjective of course!)...plus I'd call a BMW with a pushrod LSX V8 "quite different".

It's not of any surprise that you have people questioning what your true intent/goal with the project is...because to simply take on such an endeavor for the sake of making something different doesn't really make much sense to most (particularly those who have an idea of what it takes) and makes you look a bit naive tbh. I mean I can put a Ferrari motor in a Suburban just to be different, but what sense or practically does that make? Especially if one doesn't have the experience to do so.

Now, I think a lot of us would be more than willing to help if you maybe gave us a bit better reasoning (beyond creating something different) as to why you are choosing this project. Maybe if you gave a bit more practical reasoning, there would be less controversial responses. Like I said, if you really have a thing for the 3rd gen Camaro and want to pursue this swap I don't think many would, or should have a problem with that, but your post doesn't really give us much info (other than the fact that you're trying to create something different...which just doesn't seem practical in all honesty).

If you really do want to pursue the project after taking in our suggestions/criticism, best of luck! I'd be more than willing to give some advice if I could 👍

 

[JCE]

Actually we have given productive responses (mostly questioning your true intent with the project, beyond just doing something different), you have just not responded with any type of direct answer or reasoning, instead you have gotten upset that we even come into your thread to question your project (a project which you seem quite green to).

All we're trying to do is to let you know (by giving suggestions & constructive criticism) that taking on such a project (just to create something that's different) is probably not going to be worth it in the end, especially if you don't have a lot of fabrication knowledge as well as solutions to the wiring/engine management complications. To do everything the right way, and freshen up the entire car so that it makes any sense (what sense does it make to put such a motor in when your suspension is likely completely shot, the paint is completely toast, as well as myriad of other issues) would realistically take $15-20k at the very least...and that's if you're doing everything yourself. For the same price you could pick up a used E36 BMW in decent condition and throw a LS1 (w/ Vorschlag's kit) in it for about $10-15k and have a car that makes way more sense and will kill that 3rd gen Camaro in every possible way (looks are subjective of course!)...plus I'd call a BMW with a pushrod LSX V8 "quite different".

It's not of any surprise that you have people questioning what your true intent/goal with the project is...because to simply take on such an endeavor for the sake of making something different doesn't really make much sense to most (particularly those who have an idea of what it takes) and makes you look a bit naive tbh. I mean I can put a Ferrari motor in a Suburban just to be different, but what sense or practically does that make? Especially if one doesn't have the experience to do so.

Now, I think a lot of us would be more than willing to help if you maybe gave us a bit better reasoning (beyond creating something different) as to why you are choosing this project. Maybe if you gave a bit more practical reasoning, there would be less controversial responses. Like I said, if you really have a thing for the 3rd gen Camaro and want to pursue this swap I don't think many would, or should have a problem with that, but your post doesn't really give us much info (other than the fact that you're trying to create something different...which just doesn't seem practical in all honesty).

If you really do want to pursue the project after taking in our suggestions/criticism, best of luck! I'd be more than willing to give some advice if I could 👍

My apologies if I wasn't more clear with my motives for my swap. I will attempt to explain it more.

I want something that isn't them norm for an engine swap for my Camaro. Whether it is a 4.3L turbo Cyclone\Typhoon setup, an Ecotec turbo setup from a Cobalt SS or a small block Ford V8. Or maybe even swap out my TBI for TPI and add some NA tuning for my 305--that still isn't off the table. The only power numbers I want is 300bhp at the crank, this is easy to obtain. Don't care about practicality either.


I love my Camaro, owning a 3rd gen Camaro was a childhood dream of mine. My mom had a 1990 RS as well. I've owned my car since Jan. 11th 2000 and I've put close to 135,000 miles on him since I bought him. I have an emotional attachment to my Camaro and thus I do get defensive when the insults fly about selling it or getting something else. So you can imagine how I feel when these kinds of comments are made, eh?

I would love to be in a local car show pop the hood and something different be under there. This is a long term project and I'm fine with working on it for years in my garage. I'm all for constructive criticism but if it is about the choices of engines I've listed. I do not want to put another GM V8 in the car. If push comes to shove I'd rather rebuild and upgrade the 305--which in itself is unique.

My apologies to anyone that I snapped at that I shouldn't have. just don't insult my car or it's brethren.