So, I was looking for a thread that I could use to further a discussion about socialism, communism, universal basic income, wealth redistribution and all that jazz. The only thing I could find that made sense was a socialism vs. communism thread that was 16 years out of use. So, I am starting this thread as a place to discuss different ecominc theories. I am going to start off by continuing this discussion with @GranTurNismo. If there is already a better thread, please move this post there. Thank you. UBI is a really bad idea. On it's own, it immediately requires a raise in tax. I think a better idea would be to reduce taxes and free up more of a workers income for themselves. The problem as I see it with UBI is that it funds free loaders. I am fine with forms of welfare that help those that have run into temporary misfortune, and those that are incapable of helping themselves. I'm certainly not as standoffish to taxation as Danoff. I do think the whole system needs to be reconsidered though. Regardless. With UBI, you are literally having the government taking from those that earn and create, and redistributing it to every one. That is just about the very definition of communism. Again, forgetting the fact that in order pay everyone 1000 dollars, or whatever arbitrary amount, everyone will have to pay 1000 dollars in, and no, corporations are not go g to pay it, as with all things, costs incurred to a business are always reflected in their prices. Better instead would be to fix taxes so that I pay 1000 dollars, or what ever percentage, as that's more workable, less per pay check, or whatever equivalent on a 1099, etc. Taking from individuals what they have themselves earned and created, and redistributing it to the masses is a great why to reward malingering and punish hard work.