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Costco just reduced the price on GT4 down to $30 (about half the price everyone else has it for), but I don't have and don't want to spend $200 on a PS2, especially since PS3 is coming out pretty soon.

I was just wondering how well GT4 works with PS2 emulators. I don't particularly want to spend $30+tax if it's not going to work well/at all. Also, if anyone could recommend an emulator.

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It works, and is fine if you don't mind playing at .02 - 1 fps :)
 
I think PS3 is at least a year away in North America..... I'd go with PS2. Also, there was a rumor about how Sony was reducing prices of PSTwo, once Xbox 360 launches. Just a rumor though. ;)
 
I bought a used PS2 for like 100€, in very good condition, so you could get a used one for .....130 US$ maybe? My friend has one of the first generations (i think the 3000094 or something like that) and it takes a full minute to read the GT4 disc.....I have a V5/V6 and works perfectly
 
I think I sold mine for like 80 bucks. It was in pristine shape. Then, I bought the PSTwo(slim). :)
 
wouldn't a PS2 emulator be considered as illegal and therefore unacceptable to speak about on GTP? Just a thought.

Get the PS2 you cheap 🤬! (j/k) Not getting it because the PS3 will be out "soon" would be like not wanting to pay $300 for a normal TV because plasma TVs will lower their prices to about $2,000 in the next five years :banghead:
 
You can get a cheap PS2 for very little money. Just buy one off someone who has read-errors with some of their discs, but not all. Then clean the rails the laser platform moves on and regrease them. 9 times out of 10, that PS2 will work again as new.
 
This is the time when you consider Pawn shops to be your best friend. Just look up which numbers to look for so you don't walk out with an old one, and make sure to ask them to try it in the store before going home with it and you should be in good shape.
 
U should get the ps2 👍 , and then buy a ps3 right before gt5 comes out which will be in 2007 :grumpy:
 
Diego440
wouldn't a PS2 emulator be considered as illegal and therefore unacceptable to speak about on GTP? Just a thought.
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It allows you to use your own hardware to play your own software ... I don't see how that's illegal ...

I might just get a used PS2, depending on if I can find one cheap ... GT4 is the only game I really want for PS2, so spending $100+ is hard to justify to play 1 game, especially to the wife ...
 
Jmac279
It allows you to use your own hardware to play your own software ... I don't see how that's illegal ...
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But it is. The way the PS2 "functions" is Sonys intellectual property - thus emulating that is violating copyright laws BIGTIME.... If it wasn't illegal (BIGTIME) - Then why haven't we seen some shady Chinese company build a fully working, and cheaper, PS2 emulator ?....

I might just get a used PS2, depending on if I can find one cheap ... GT4 is the only game I really want for PS2, so spending $100+ is hard to justify to play 1 game, especially to the wife ...
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Well.. I (basically) only use my PS2 for GT4.. I have 20 games on the shelf behind me - Tekken is the only other that gets used - and that's only for drunken bar brawls when friends are over...
 
Flerbizky
But it is. The way the PS2 "functions" is Sonys intellectual property - thus emulating that is violating copyright laws BIGTIME.... If it wasn't illegal (BIGTIME) - Then why haven't we seen some shady Chinese company build a fully working, and cheaper, PS2 emulator ?....
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If it was illegal "BIGTIME" then why is there a thriving emulator scene, where you can get anything from Vic2600 to PS1 on a multitude of platforms (I have a gameboy emu on a pocket pc). Why hasn't it all be sued to kingdom come?

The usual caveat is that you must own a) the software and b) the hardware to use them (it's actually the boot ROMs that are the sticking point, but this is getting off topic). To fully rip the console off is a different matter.

As for the original post, just get a pstwo. I got mine 2nd hand for £75 ($100?) with GT3 and some other games. Throw another £15 ($25) for GT4 new, and another £60 for a DFP and it's well worth the investment. If you're worried about cost now, wait till the PS3 comes out. Can't see that being cheap. I'm going to stick with my PStwo until the 3 is reasonable cost or available 2nd hand.
 
christofire
If it was illegal "BIGTIME" then why is there a thriving emulator scene, where you can get anything from Vic2600 to PS1 on a multitude of platforms (I have a gameboy emu on a pocket pc). Why hasn't it all be sued to kingdom come?

The usual caveat is that you must own a) the software and b) the hardware to use them (it's actually the boot ROMs that are the sticking point, but this is getting off topic). To fully rip the console off is a different matter.
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The Scene is one thing (Well - A lot actually) - but have you ever seen a PSX emulator (or any other) for sale - like officially, in a store ?....
 
No, but I haven't seen most open-source software on sale in stores - doesn't mean it's illegal. :) I get where you're coming from with the IP angle, but it either isn't worth Sony/Sega/Nintendo/etc's while to do anything or the position is legal/grey.

So long as matey-boy has bought the game and got a legal copy of the ROMs (which is only do-able if you own a console) there's nothing wrong. Satisfying these requirements does tend to make the emulator pointless, unless you don't have space/spare TV.
 
okay, so maybe the issue isn't 100% illegal but kind of shady nonetheless. It all depends on your point of view. Still I believe that if you buy a PS2 game you should play it on a PS2... playing it on an emulator is like cheapening it.
 
Hardware emulation is not illegal. Hardware ripoff is not illegal either. Where do you think AMD got their (initial) ideas from?

Big (and small) HW/SW companies rip each other's ideas off all the time. The main thing is that you cannot rip off exact internal designs. So as long as you get the thing (HW/SW) to do the exact same thing as the original WITHOUT using any of the original components or designs it is all legit.

The reason why you don't see emulators on store shelves could be summarized in the following two points. First: most of the emulators are for hobbists by hobbists so it tends to be more important to be able to 'emulate x platform' than it is to sell 'x numbers of copies' (read: they don't care about selling this stuff and putting it on shelves costs $$). Second: Most people wouldn't see the point in running yet another piece of software on their (sometimes) only computer, specially if it is an emulator that only runs fast enough if you have the latest machine with gobs of memory (read: It is cheaper to fork the $150 for a PS2 than it is to upgrade your puter to get the emulator to run fast enough, not to mention your brother can play trekken all summer long without stopping your from chatting with some hotties on the oter side of the world).

Finally, even the commercial emulators are not likely to be sold in every store due to the volume of sales. VMWare (Arguibly the best Intel X86 emulator) can only be found in selected (specialized) stores. Most of their sales are over the web. You can find VirtualPC (originally for macs but now available for windows too) in any Apple store but you'll have a hard time finding it in a PC store.
 
Flerbizky
The Scene is one thing (Well - A lot actually) - but have you ever seen a PSX emulator (or any other) for sale - like officially, in a store ?....
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And there were several Bleem discs for Dreamcast as well, that emulated only specific games, which needed to be bought separately...including a game that is quite familiar to GTPers...



...and then there was...

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Mr.Slow is right. It is not illegal to create emulators.

For example, one of the best early Mac emulators was created for the Amiga computer line. They could not distribute the Mac ROM with the distribution, so users had to get the ROM image from a real computer (presumably, their own computer). Yah, right... Quite a legal battle over that one, too, but the software developer survived.

Now, one of the best current emulators is of the Amiga itself, on a PC.

If development of the PS2 emulators was desired by enough users, then more effort would have been made to improve what is out there. It seems we are content to buy the original hardware.

Cheers,

MasterGT
 
I can't believe I fogot about things like VirtualPC - I use it every week for testing. I really hope it's not illegal else it'll make my job much harder. :)

If you're short on desk space or TVs then a cheap 2nd hand PS2 and a TV-in card for your computer will get the picture on your computer screen without having to find ROMs, upgrade your computer to the latest and greatest and fill your desk with screens.

Either which way, you'll still have to get a PS2 and copy of the game.
 
Emulators don't sell much because they don't want to? Hello? Have you forgotten the most basic principle of selling? Supply and demand! If you don't make much, you won't sell much.

As to it being illegal or not, I just stated it being a gray area. It's not 100% legal if you want to check the whole process, since they're taking software (game or whatever) from one platform and make it run on another, with no in-between purchasing. The main point in buying a PS2 game is to be able to play it on a PS2. Whenever you start playing it on another system, you're breaking the chain... it's like saying eMule (or Kazaa or Limewire) is not illegal, what's illegal is the use people give it.

And that's enough of going off-topic. But a PS2, they aren't expensive and whenever the PS3 comes out, it'll be so expensive you'll have to wait anout three years to buy it at a civilized cost.
 
I personally think that PS2 emulators could constitute copyright misuse one way or another. Yes, there may well be PS2 emulators available (legally or otherwise), but you can rest assured that manufacturers like Sony are not happy about it at all. The point raised in the initial post in this thread sums it up really:

Jmac279
I don't have and don't want to spend $200 on a PS2
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That's why people use emulators and that's precisely why console makers are dead against them and launch legal challenges against sites that promote their distribution and usage or host ROM images/software.

Whether GT4 works with PS2 emulation software or not is a moot point. But since PS2 emulation itself could be considered as misuse of copyright, then it could also be considered as a form of piracy/warez and hence against the policy of GTPlanet to discuss it here any further. Sorry guys.
 
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