Endurance Qualifiers in RS tires.

[Manasseh257NSX]

I've read all around the site and it seems that people despise RS tires. My question is in what circumstance do you hate them in?

Because it seems people complain that "Nobody uses those kind of tires in real life" but in reality, LMP1, LMP2, and GTE all have a set of RS tires.

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Also, I can understand why people that race casually with RS tires (I'm one who does not, I casually race with RH or RM at most) but it seems that people hate them in all circumstances.

Now I only use RS tires in endurance races for two reasons and two reasons ONLY!

1. I use them in qualifying to get pole position. After they wear out, I switch to RM or RH depending on how the tire wear is.

2. On the last few minutes of an Endurance race (4-5 minutes left) while I'm only a few seconds behind or a few seconds ahead. I'm trying to race to win.

These are the only two reasons that I use RS tires for. Also, I've read around and that seems to be the reasons that real racecar drivers use their tires for as well. My question is, is it justified to use RS in that manner? Or am I racing "too unrealistic?" because when using RS during qualifying, I can at least match up with real life qualifying times.

(i.e. The No. 95 Aston Martin Vantage GTE ran a qualifying time of 1:59.970 at Silverstone in 2015. I was able to run a 2:01.323 in RS during a testing practice with my tuned Vantage V12. I tried to keep the specs realistic as possible too, as I took all day looking them up)


(BTW I race with no aids except ABS no higher than 2 and sometimes at 0 during Endurance races, so I have no aid help)

 

[CraigHyphenO]

The Racing Soft tyres have far too much grip compared to real-life soft tyres provided by a lot of tyre manufacturers. I'm not a fan of seeing these tyres permitted in racing series, but they do have their uses. Even Racing Mediums are to a degree too grippy for a realistic tyre. I find that the Racing Hard tyre is the only tyre that seems to reflect a real-world tyre used by a lot of series, albeit with wear rates that may not reflect those supplied by the likes of Michelin, Dunlop or by Firestone.

If I race in a series where these tyres are permitted, I never even consider using the harder option (and I absolutely do not consider using mixed tyres if possible). I just drive at a slower pace in the race to conserve these tyres and I sometimes find that I can last longer than my rivals who are running Racing Hards. I sometimes find that I can overdrive the car if I run harder tyres.

As for your comparison, was it set in a situation with fuel and tyre wear on? If not, then it is even less realistic than it already is by the fact that you're using two completely different cars.

 

[Manasseh257NSX]

The Racing Soft tyres have far too much grip compared to real-life soft tyres provided by a lot of tyre manufacturers. I'm not a fan of seeing these tyres permitted in racing series, but they do have their uses. Even Racing Mediums are to a degree too grippy for a realistic tyre. I find that the Racing Hard tyre is the only tyre that seems to reflect a real-world tyre used by a lot of series, albeit with wear rates that may not reflect those supplied by the likes of Michelin, Dunlop or by Firestone.

If I race in a series where these tyres are permitted, I never even consider using the harder option (and I absolutely do not consider using mixed tyres if possible). I just drive at a slower pace in the race to conserve these tyres and I sometimes find that I can last longer than my rivals who are running Racing Hards. I sometimes find that I can overdrive the car if I run harder tyres.

As for your comparison, was it set in a situation with fuel and tyre wear on? If not, then it is even less realistic than it already is by the fact that you're using two completely different cars.

Well if you can explain the difference between real life RM and GT6's RM I'd be glad to hear because RM don't have a whole lot of grip for me; however, I'm able to drive on them very effectively. Oh and I use a DS3 so RS to me probably don't feel the same as someone who uses a wheel. Before you say that's false, just think, there are guys out there running 1:45s in LMP's on RH and RM. All I can do is 1:47-1:48. So a lot of wheel users will probably stand and say they only use RH.

And regarding your answer to the comparison. Yes, I opened a test lobby up and the tire wear was set to normal (For testing) and I ran it on the 3rd lap. And I'm aware that these are two completely different cars, but seeing as PD supplies us with little to almost no GTE cars. The V12 Vantage is the closest thing I could do to replicate it. I don't know how accurate the weight is (1,345 kg), but the HP, RPMs, and top speed are pretty close to it's real life racing brother.

 

[DaBomm4]

Oh and I use a DS3 so RS to me probably don't feel the same as someone who uses a wheel. Before you say that's false, just think, there are guys out there running 1:45s in LMP's on RH and RM. All I can do is 1:47-1:48.

I am an average DS3 user and the difference I see is skill level, I participate in FITT tuning challenges and sometimes race with the Ridox Fan Club and my skill level is what keeps my times higher than the rest of my friends. Also, there are a handful of DS3 users that make it into the top on time trials without most of the aids, why can't I get similar times since I use the same settings/setups as them? They practiced more than I have trying to improve their skill in the game.

 

[TexRex]

The No. 95 Aston Martin Vantage GTE ran a qualifying time of 1:59.970 at Silverstone in 2015. I was able to run a 2:01.323 in RS during a testing practice with my tuned Vantage V12.

That's like comparing apples and potatoes. I can eat an apple, at a leisurely pace without trying to scarf it down, in a couple of minutes; but to eat a potato, I have to peel it, boil it, mash it and stick a bit of butter on it before the first bite. A V12 Vantage is not a Vantage GTE. "Horsepower and weight are close" just doesn't cut it.

A recent (possibly current, I don't recall) GT6 seasonal event had 600PP cars at Silverstone on RH and, given the PP and tire choice, I assumed without looking at the sample opponent list that it was intended for race cars--I chose the P2 Nissan with slight power reduction and weight increase. Once the event loaded and I saw the competition, I really didn't feel like backing out, changing cars, buying RH tires (because I've never upgraded tires from default and 99.999% of the time I downgrade) and coming back to chase the rabbit. Well, I was in first position before the end of the second of five laps. Why? Well the AI suck, I'm a decent driver, and the car has massive downforce.

V12 Vantage = road car.
Vantage GTE = race car.

Edit: Use RS tires. It's a game and you should play it for enjoyment by doing so in a way that you most enjoy.

I personally find that CS tires offer superb levels of grip, and I don't even run them on most of the cars I drive--I save them for modern supercars.

 

[Manasseh257NSX]

I am an average DS3 user and the difference I see is skill level, I participate in FITT tuning challenges and sometimes race with the Ridox Fan Club and my skill level is what keeps my times higher than the rest of my friends. Also, there are a handful of DS3 users that make it into the top on time trials without most of the aids, why can't I get similar times since I use the same settings/setups as them? They practiced more than I have trying to improve their skill in the game.

Or they get top times by drifting and late braking around the track. I've seen some of the top times for these racing TT and they get they're top times by hitting a 45 degree turn at 100 mph and drifting around it. Now in some cases this is tolerable and reasonable but I see this kind of driving with LMP and GT cars and it really bugs me. I am impressed by the people who hit top times and make it look good and clean (The TRL group for example). And that is almost rare now as seeing most of those drivers moved to PS4 and PCars or DC.

But that's besides the point. Let's try to stay on topic regarding the tires.

 

[DaBomm4]

But that's besides the point. Let's try to stay on topic regarding the tires.

Edit: Use RS tires. It's a game and you should play it for enjoyment by doing so in a way that you most enjoy.

I personally find that CS tires offer superb levels of grip, and I don't even run them on most of the cars I drive--I save them for modern supercars.

I agree with TexRex here.

 

[Manasseh257NSX]

That's like comparing apples and potatoes. I can eat an apple, at a leisurely pace without trying to scarf it down, in a couple of minutes; but to eat a potato, I have to peel it, boil it, mash it and stick a bit of butter on it before the first bite. A V12 Vantage is not a Vantage GTE. "Horsepower and weight are close" just doesn't cut it.

A recent (possibly current, I don't recall) GT6 seasonal event had 600PP cars at Silverstone on RH and, given the PP and tire choice, I assumed without looking at the sample opponent list that it was intended for race cars--I chose the P2 Nissan with slight power reduction and weight increase. Once the event loaded and I saw the competition, I really didn't feel like backing out, changing cars, buying RH tires (because I've never upgraded tires from default and 99.999% of the time I downgrade) and coming back to chase the rabbit. Well, I was in first position before the end of the second of five laps. Why? Well the AI suck, I'm a decent driver, and the car has massive downforce.

V12 Vantage = road car.
Vantage GTE = race car.

Edit: Use RS tires. It's a game and you should play it for enjoyment by doing so in a way that you most enjoy.

I personally find that CS tires offer superb levels of grip, and I don't even run them on most of the cars I drive--I save them for modern supercars.

I understand that a V12 Vantage isn't a Vantage GTE. I understand about the downforce. I just refuse to hold an endurance series with 3 of the same GT cars, so I try to create the closest thing to it's real counter part, if that means using a road car for it, so be it. If PD gave us more customizable options to create downforce or simply gave us 2-3 more GTE cars this wouldn't be a problem. but that's a different problem for a different thread.

My question was ultimately was it frowned upon to use RS for qualifying events and final race stints in Racing cars. Maybe I didn't clarify enough when I said I use RS tires. I only use them for racing cars or road cars trying to be race cars. I hardly ever use Racing tires for normal supercars. I just wanted a clarification of everything. Cause it seems that people don't think you can drive if you race with Racing tires or ABS on, when a lot of of racecars do in fact use them. I understand that they do not supply as much grip in real life, but I don't see how people seem like they forget about the fact that sports racing actually uses RS tires.

 

[TexRex]

My question was ultimately was it frowned upon to use RS for qualifying events and final race stints in Racing cars.

Ask some of the series holders over in that particular forum, I personally couldn't say. If it's your race though, require and run what you want.

 

[Manasseh257NSX]

Ask some of the series holders over in that particular forum, I personally couldn't say. If it's your race though, require and run what you want.

I don't know if I can since it would generally be off topic in the matter. Unless you mean to inbox them then yeah that could be a pretty good idea. I know just a few series that permit RS and some that don't. Even some of the more serious ones I've seen permit RS at times. but I can inbox them the question.

 

[DaBomm4]

My question was ultimately was it frowned upon to use RS for qualifying events and final race stints in Racing cars.

If RS tires are allowed in the room, then I would agree with you that it should be fine to use them in this manner.

I only use them for racing cars or road cars trying to be race cars. I hardly ever use Racing tires for normal supercars.

Very good method, I try to use a similar method for my cars unless I want to challenge myself.

Cause it seems that people don't think you can drive if you race with Racing tires or ABS on, when a lot of of racecars do in fact use them.

When I first was going online, this is what I ran into when Racing tires were used, but when participating with a good group of people, Racing tires have been used appropriately. I use ABS 1 most of the time also.

I understand that they do not supply as much grip in real life, but I don't see how people seem like they forget about the fact that sports racing actually uses RS tires.

When people argue against RS tires, it is not because real life doesn't use them, just that said person doesn't agree that the grip level should be "exaggerated". This is a whole separate debate though.

 

[TexRex]

I don't know if I can since it would generally be off topic in the matter.

Then politely state that the question is off-topic and that your intention isn't to stray too far, I really think people participating in the thread(s) would understand when you're just seeking information.

"I apologize for the off-topic question, but is...?"

Or request that this thread be moved by a moderator to that particular sub-forum, I think they'd understand as well. You might go about that by reporting your original post and politely asking for the move as the reason for reporting. (Moderators, please don't shoot me for suggesting this.)