Enough with the constant tire squealing!

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Having grown up only about a mile from Mid Ohio Race Course, I've been to lots of races. Racing tires do not squeal around every corner, they are too soft to squeal. Pretty much the only time you hear any noise from the tires is when a car is out of control sliding sideways down the track, and big fat tires make a low growl, not a squeal. Has somebody been watching too much Dukes of Hazard?
 
The tyre effects are the left-overs from arcade racing games that if removed, a racing game appears to sound unreal. Before force feedback and complicated suspension modelling, programmers used the squeal to indicate to the player that they were losing grip.

I agree with you though, over the top squealing on soft racing tyres just would not happen under normal racing conditions. However, I like the squeals on comfort tyres going round the Nurburgring for example.
 
i agree it does get old and not all tires would make this sound or as much but, the tire sounds lets me know how much im pushing the car and when i need to pack off or if its ok to give it more gas. it adds to the feel of your car without that noise from either grade of tire i would be lost when driving.
 
Racing tyres squeal if you don't know how to drive... come too fast into a corner and then keep a too high speed through it they will sing like Maria Callas... while if you drive correctly into a corner, correct speed and applying the right acceleration in exit, they will be very silent. The reason you don't hear squealing in real life on the track is because the drivers that are racing there are professionals and they know how to drive.
 
The tyre effects are the left-overs from arcade racing games that if removed, a racing game appears to sound unreal. Before force feedback and complicated suspension modelling, programmers used the squeal to indicate to the player that they were losing grip.

And it's still needed in GT5 because except on rare occasions, there is no hint whatsoever through the FFB that the front tires are starting to lose grip.
 
I've definitely heard F1 cars squealing around corners, it was quite a shock the first time. You don't normally stand a chance hearing the tyres over the engine note, though, which is probably why we don't generally associate squeal with racing cars...
 
Racing tires do squeal occasionally, although not nearly as much as in most videogames.

If you think GT5 is bad though, try GT4. It had horrendously repetitive and screechingly annoying tire squeal sounds. GT5 is a huge improvement. Also, try driving from a different viewpoint. The "bumper" cam seems to have much louder tire squeal than any other view.

Oh yeah, and you can also try turning SRF off. That will help teach you to avoid understeer and therefore lower the amount of tire squeal you get.
 
If tires squeal in Nascar I would never hear it. Their engines are so loud that when they pass by you can scream to the top of your lungs and the person sitting beside you won't hear a thing you are saying.
Like other have wrote, tire squeal in games gives the player information to make up the lack of feel that you would have IRL.
 
I clearly heard the FXX squeal several times in that video. Clearly the driver doesn't know how to drive properly......

Of course they squeal, but not as much as a bad driver's tyre would be squealing.
Anyways, I'm tired to read these threads about bad sound in GT5...
 
I've definitely heard F1 cars squealing around corners, it was quite a shock the first time. You don't normally stand a chance hearing the tyres over the engine note, though, which is probably why we don't generally associate squeal with racing cars...

I remember i was in montecarlo for a formula 1 race in the early 80s and the squealing was pretty hard. Of course on this track the engine noise was lower because of the lower speeds and lower gears so you could hear it better. Not sure how the tyres sound in F1 today.
 
In the game the tires are reminding you that you are near the limits of adhesion.
It may be a little unrealistic at times but the sound relates directly to your grip. I like having that reminder.
 
Of course they squeal, but not as much as a bad driver's tyre would be squealing.
Anyways, I'm tired to read these threads about bad sound in GT5...

Please square that with the fact that you have three of the first twelve posts to this thread that you're tired of ? No one else has more than one.:)

Scotty
 
I think the difference between a chirp and a squeal needs to be made, racing tyres chirp a lot but they don't squeal every time you take a corner. In this game you hear a squeal when it should be a chirp a lot.
 
How many of you guys have actually driven a real car on the track?
Street tyres squeel like crazy and semi-slicks squeel a lot too if you're on the limit.
I've never driven a car with full slicks, but from watching at the track, they do, but it's very hard to hear it over the engine/exhaust.

To be honest i don't notice it in GT5, i think it's pretty good, Gt4 was bad though, very obvious and very annoying.
 
OH my goodness. Just when I think I've heard all the complaints...something new pops up. :dunce:
 
If your tyres doesn´t make any noise, you are definitely too slow. Tyres driven at limit will always squeal...watch the Top Gear video with the FXX

I clearly heard the FXX squeal several times in that video. Clearly the driver doesn't know how to drive properly......

It is Michael Schumacher. You will not find any guy who knows better how to drive a Ferrari.
 
Watching that FFX with Schumacher at the wheel completely took my attention away from the subject of this thread, he certaintly knows how to drive like a demon and that car is incredible.

About the tyres, tyres will screech under high load, infact they will a little at optimum grip levels, perhaps not as much as you hear in game but it doesn't bother me.
 
Excessive tire squeal is one of the feedbacks in the game that we receive because we cannot feel G-forces with our controllers or wheels. Force feedback also doesn't do a good job of letting you know a tire is losing grip until it is too late.

If we didn't have tire squealing sounds like we do now, a lot more people would be complaining about not being able to drive cars to the limit.
The tire squeal sounds do more good to more people than they hurt.
 
Excessive tire squeal is one of the feedbacks in the game that we receive because we cannot feel G-forces with our controllers or wheels. Force feedback also doesn't do a good job of letting you know a tire is losing grip until it is too late.

If we didn't have tire squealing sounds like we do now, a lot more people would be complaining about not being able to drive cars to the limit.
The tire squeal sounds do more good to more people than they hurt.

In reply to this, iRacing does a great job of letting you feel the tyre grip through the force feedback, while GT5's FFB is good for a console, in comparison to iRacing it is quite weak, and if it was improved the feel of the cars in general would be a lot better.

Judging by your avatar and sig i would have thought you would recognise or agree with that.
 
How many of you guys have actually driven a real car on the track?
Street tyres squeel like crazy and semi-slicks squeel a lot too if you're on the limit.
I've never driven a car with full slicks, but from watching at the track, they do, but it's very hard to hear it over the engine/exhaust.

+1

People may want to complain a little less about things they've no experience with in real life.

ALL tires squeal to some degree when pushed to their limits on asphalt. You're less likely to hear it with slicks and over the noise of the engines and the crowd while sitting in the stands watching a race.

You can hear it from the cockpit. It may be a LITTLE amplified in the game to help make up for physical sensations you're not getting, but it's not too overdone.
 
This topic comes up once every 3 months ....

And I'll bring up the same sets of videos :)
So the developer of GT5 races and he hears tyre squeal, I guess why he put em in :dopey:



If you use a control pad, then that's probably why your tyres squeal a lot, I don't get nearly as much squeal with a wheel+ pedals, and there is a more varied range of tyre squeal sounds when they do come up, depending on what the car is doing.
 
All tires squeal, slick or street when pushing near it's limit. Slick is a lot softer than normal street tires and melt away a lot quicker so less squeal but they STILL do squeal when near it's limit. BUT, what I hate is how tires in GT5 react in the wet, tires loose traction a lot sooner in the wet and often not near it's protential limit so you hardly hear squeal IRL when compares to dry roads, but in GT5, wet tires squeal just like in dry tracks and it's very annoying...
 
How many of you guys have actually driven a real car on the track?
Street tyres squeel like crazy and semi-slicks squeel a lot too if you're on the limit.
I've never driven a car with full slicks, but from watching at the track, they do, but it's very hard to hear it over the engine/exhaust.

To be honest i don't notice it in GT5, i think it's pretty good, Gt4 was bad though, very obvious and very annoying.


The bold sentence is clearly proven in this vid:

 
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