Enzo: Any way to make it not handle like a brick?

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Well honestly, it's quick yeah, but it's also the worst handling car I've driven by a long shot, I've made over 30,000,000 from the Ferrari event at La Sarthe now, been tweaking the handling and getting nowhere really, no matter what I do, the think just understeers stupidly, which for a car like this is a bit off. I've got it handling to a bareable level, but that's all it is; bareable.
My settings;

Aerodynamics: 2/25
Ballast Amount: 56kg
Ballast Position: -50

Initial Torque: 6
Acceleration Sensitivity: 22
Braking Sensitivity: 9

Ride Height: -18/-25
Spring Rate: 8.0/12.5
Dampers (Extension): 6/7
Dampers (Compression): 4/6
Anti-Roll Bars: 7/4
Camber Angle: 2.8/2.9
Toe Angle: -0.27/-0.14
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Any input on this?

Car is fully modified, best time on Sarthe is 3:22.231 with a DS3.
 
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Well honestly, it's quick yeah, but it's also the worst handling car I've driven by a long shot, I've made over 30,000,000 from the Ferrari event at La Sarthe now, been tweaking the handling and getting nowhere really, no matter what I do, the think just understeers stupidly, which for a car like this is a bit off. I've got it handling to a bareable level, but that's all it is; bareable.

Any input on this?
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try riding heigh 5 / -10 mine cornors well
 
My settings are similar to yours albeit without the ballast which I may give a go the next time I run. However, I am running 3:30.0xx - 3:31.5xx every lap with no aids (ABS@1) and not cutting any of the corners, as I personally feel that takes the fun out of it... I would prefer to sit there longer driving but do it properly... Just my 2 cents anyway... 👍

Aerodynamics: 2/25
Ballast Amount: 0kg
Ballast Position: 0

Initial Torque: 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20
Braking Sensitivity: 5

Ride Height: 0/-25
Spring Rate: 7.9/12.7
Dampers (Extension): 3/5
Dampers (Compression): 2/4
Anti-Roll Bars: 7/1
Camber Angle: 1.0/0.5
Toe Angle: 0.00/0.00

My setup was found using trial and error much like yourself also but I'm not much of a tuner so it may not work as well as yours but might be worth a shot anyway... ;)

Cheers, Xerx :)

EDIT: Also note, this is a work in progress and is by no means what I call my completed tune for the Enzo! :D It still needs a lot of work on fine tuning wheel alignment settings and what-not!
 
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Tired a 10/00 ride height, and understeer came back, going to try X3rx3s44's ride height settings on my next run of a 00/-25, and depending I may give 25/00 a go after :P.
 
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Tired a 10/00 ride height, and understeer came back, going to try X3rx3s44's ride height settings on my next run of a 00/-25, and depending I may give 25/00 a go after :P.
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Somewhere in the middle would most likely be optimal... Maybe 15/-10 or something like that! As I said my setup is still a work in progress and have only just reached the 400km mark on the Enzo since buying it new for this seasonal. :)
With that ride height I have not allowed for the bumpyness of the Sarthe circuit which is an immediate flaw in my setup but I am getting around to it, just trying different things with it all the time and keep forgetting... :dunce:

Cheers, Xerx :)
 
I bought it a while ago and was dejected that I'd blown the money on it(pre high paying seasonals). It was just so frustrating to drive.

I pulled it out for the Ferrari seasonal I think it behaves much better just with softer tyres.
The car does force me to drive a little more diligently and not just throw it into a corner as it will still just plow, but if I drive it how it needs...I think it's good fun and ultimately rather quick.
 
havent tuned mine and it handles well best time on sarthe is 3:32
will try tuning it and see if it improves
 
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Somewhere in the middle would most likely be optimal... Maybe 15/-10 or something like that! As I said my setup is still a work in progress and have only just reached the 400km mark on the Enzo since buying it new for this seasonal. :)
With that ride height I have not allowed for the bumpyness of the Sarthe circuit which is an immediate flaw in my setup but I am getting around to it, just trying different things with it all the time and keep forgetting... :dunce:

Cheers, Xerx :)
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Add my ballast and wheel alignment settings and see what you think, don't think you'll be disappointed :P.
 
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Add my ballast and wheel alignment settings and see what you think, don't think you'll be disappointed :P.
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Will do! Everything else on our setups was almost identical so we either both drive with a similar style or are both close to optimal setups for Sarthe! 👍

I will try them very shortly and report back! Either way with no aids it is a wild ride around there! Up over 400km/h along the first section of Mulsanne (hope that is spelt correctly... :nervous:) with the tow in a road-going car! :D

Cheers, Xerx :)

UPDATE:
Tried the Ballast and Wheel Alignment settings and they felt better but I felt that the rear camber was too high making it difficult to put 922BHP down without traction control and with less rubber on the road as a result of the higher camber. So I did half a dozen runs and made a few tweaks and came up with this and a new no aids (ABS@1), no corner cutting PB of 3:29.334. This is just over 0.7 faster than my old PB! :D Doesn't sound like much but you can feel the difference in the car! 👍

Aerodynamics: 2/25
Ballast Amount: 56kg
Ballast Position: 50

Initial Torque: 7
Acceleration Sensitivity: 23
Braking Sensitivity: 5

Ride Height: 7/-18
Spring Rate: 7.2/13.8
Dampers (Extension): 4/7
Dampers (Compression): 3/6
Anti-Roll Bars: 7/1
Camber Angle: 2.8/1.7
Toe Angle: -0.30/-0.15

Still alot more to be gained as I got a couple of bad runs through the traffic which would not help my overall time... Great challenge though!

Cheers, Xerx :)
 
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I wouldn't know how to tune suspension or gear ratios, or drivetrain better than Ferrari.

I drive mine stock, full engine mod, and add some ballast to narrow down near 51/49 weight, and chop la Sarthe down to 3:19s. stock suspension. Drive it with care, and it will reward you. I couldn't imagine driving this or any car without a wheel so I can't say much more, as it needs pulsating inputs at the wheel to divide the line between carve, and understeer.
 
My issue with the car is that all the braking needs to be done in a straight line PRIOR to turning, almost like a motorcycle. I find that once I turn while braking, front end begins to plow straight ahead. The car accelerates much faster then it decelerates. I much prefer driving the 430 Scuderia but on tracks such as Le Sarthe, the 430 cannot keep up with the Enzo, IMHO.
 
I find the braking is horrible, i think i has it on 7/6 and the brake lock up when braking for 3 seconds, and it even on abs 10.. Do i have the braking tuning wrong?
 
try 2/2 or 3/3 bias. don't be shy and try it with 0 ABS, just never go past 30-40% pedal (red line) force, and if it oversteers for any reason under braking, just down shift 1, and simply turn the wheel where you want it to go, and all is normal again. (default suspension). And time your initial braking zone earlier than you think. but in time, you will get more aggrresive with the braking distance. Also, this car wants to be stopping, in conjunction with your braking pedal, in LOW RPM curve, and not in mid-high RPM. I learned these secrets on the high speed la Sarthe Seasonal, otherwise, I'd never be interested to bother with this car. Now it's one of my fav's. Thanks PD for coming up with these seasonals. Here is hoping to more "unused" car seasonals.
 
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I run 9/10 with my brake bias and I brake very hard, and ease off the brake as I get closer to the turning point, that does help a good deal. I'm still running ride heights, but I've got a pretty nice setting down, I'll update my original post when it's finalised.
 
I hate the Enzo, but not enough to not drive it in the seasonal lol. I lowered front springs and raised the rear springs. Made a few adjustments here and there. Best lap was probably 3.43 or something idk. As long as I get that 500 k!
 
DA: You took the words right out of my mouth. lol. I just give it insane horsepower, start the lap at Le Sarthe and nervously hang on for dear life clenching my teeth with dollar signs in my eyes. lol. I find it impossible to keep it on the track and love it and hate it at the same time.
 
With, currently, 887hp and 1044kg I love the way the Enzo passes the opposition like you used the aircraft carriers catapult and they were tied to the ships anchor :D
And while thats enough power to melt RS tires at 150+ mph with just sloppy throttle, I consider the car to be a great handling and stopping car ...but easy to upset (and then you're tip toeing thru the tullies at 200mph :) )
Pretty cool to run LeSarth knowing you can take the lead before the halfway point IF you dont take 6" too much curb or give her a millimeter too much wellie too soon.
 
A few anecdotes regarding the Enzo from the Car and Driver magazine and (yelp) Dan Greenawalt of Forza and Turn 10:

Car and Driver (from their test: http://bit.ly/njj41D)

"Trouble is, turns come rapid fire at this track, many of them just over blind rises and with fast-changing cambers and barf-bag drops. The Enzo pulls 1.05 g on VIR's skidpad (also stickier than its forebears and any other current production car we've tested) but plows into tight corners and can snap abruptly to oversteer at the exit by the ticklish electronic throttle and the explosive power it produces. Balancing the Enzo is a challenge; it reserves its best behavior for the talented and attentive."

Dan Greenawalt:

"Automagic (my note: that's Forza 3's driving physics) is accurate enough that it has actually revealed flaws in real-world cars. One of those cars, he claims, is the Ferrari Enzo. Turn 10 modeled the Enzo shortly after its introduction — and before anyone outside Ferrari had driven it — using data obtained from Maranello. When the car was loaded into the game, its chassis balance was supposedly nightmarish, a mix of low-speed understeer and snap oversteer. "It didn't work below [triple-digit speeds]," Greenawalt says. "We thought, 'This is the Enzo — it can't be this bad.' We just assumed our math model was wrong." Shortly thereafter, several major car magazines drove the car and commented at length on its flawed handling. Greenawalt was nothing if not relieved."

Although I have to say that driving the Enzo in Forza 3, I don't actually feel the snap oversteer due the the muted steering although the low speed understeer is present. However, it did in Forza 2 (from what I can remember) although so were the other 300+ cars.

And here's a video of the Stig driving the Enzo Ferrari (from Top Gear when the Enzo did a 1:19.0)- the top video is from the inside of the car and the bottom, the exterior view. Too bad, Top Gear edit the Power lap instead of showing the entire lap. It would give an interesting perspective.



 
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@ uncle_hayley_j :

I think your set-up is logical considering the fact you want to decrease the understeered character of the Enzo as much as possible.
However, the fact that you are using maximum anti-roll bar stiffness in the front and minimum in the rear sounds like you're trying to do the opposite for me. Since increasing anti-roll bar stiffness decreases maximum lateral grip on that axle.
Any reaction?
 
I can try digging up my tune, but mine drives quite well. It just requires trail braking to make it stick to corners. For the most part the only turn I can't handle is the sweeping right near Timing loop 6 at La sarthe.
 
I have 2 and like them a lot.

The 600PP version with Sports soft tires does Tsukuba in 57 seconds

The fully tuned version on RS tires does it in 52 seconds. But, it's still new and will make more HP with some more miles.

I'm not a great driver, but these are pretty decent times to me. I think the Enzo needs a delicate touch and straight line braking (as much as possible).

PS. I don't like any of the setup data I see posted in this thread (but I didn't check the links). My fully tuned version does not have a wing because I don't think I need any more downforce on the back of the car.
 
I gave up on using the Enzo for the seasonal and use the 458 Italia instead. Handles much much better and easily wins with upgrades and a bit of tweaking. Making me lots of money. lol
 

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