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Yeah. The US would never do that.
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Yeah. The US would never do that.
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I'm sorry that you expected it to be revelatory information that Trump is a self-important tool who will say literally anything and everything to puff himself up, but I can assure you that whatever "observations" you want to conclude for the politically active members on GTP based on the lack of response within 24 hours to it being pointed out can be more than explained by that aspect of his character being common knowledge to anyone living in North America for thirty years now. The actual action of him simply making things up to suit him, even if it contradicts something he said earlier in the sentence, is no different from what he did when he was on TV.
It's a far better explanation than vague allusions to bias for the people active in this subforum, at least, since even the sycophants who showed up to Trump rallies when he was still running for office were aware of it whenever one of then was interviewed and simply didn't seem to care; so it wouldn't even really be a stick to beat one of then with.
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Only after Russia was thrown out for cheating mind
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History has shown that for progress to be made in that area the resistance has to come from within said country, Dictators don't aim to please some people but try to keep a balance with most people, when they lose most people they loose their power and that is how it's done, you can't push a horse to water let it go there it self. Western involvement has caused this first with the country formations then the regime changes I doubt we will ever see legitimate resistance at this point and unfortunately it's better to keep the enemy you know to avoid ruin.
T’was a joke...
If it was a sport...
...Russia famously got banned from competing in the Olympics, due to cheating... they won many gold medals that where taken from them... due to cheating...
But hell to it, let’s treat what I said as literal. How would Russia cheat, and in so doing, take medals away from America?
Medals presumably awarded for supporting dictators... we won’t worry who awards these medals.
Russia bashing?
Making a single, fairly harmless joke of there fairly recent and well publicised bans from Olympic competition on a national level (rather than individual)?
Jee-wiz! I hope the Russians don’t take it personally, though luckily I’ll be safe in England... oh, sorry! Another joke
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Follow the thread of conversation. It started with noting that Russia was supporting a dictator in Syria.
You decided to make a "joke" with no emotes or other textual signs of humour, and your noted anti-authoritarian stance doesn't make me doubt that your actual opinion of Russia falls largely in line with your "joke". I therefore assumed it was a humourously framed statement of opinion and responded accordingly, as the casual anti-Russian/North Korean/Cuban/Iranian/Muslim/Middle Eastern/communist/socialist/authoritarian/etc. dialogue that seems to flow without much thought from many users seems both intellectually lazy and actively counterproductive to forming a rational opinion. When you get used to automatically labeling something as a boogeyman you largely lose the ability to think constructively about it.
As for your edit about how would Russia cheat, it's your "joke", not mine. I didn't claim that it made any sense or was even good.
Jee-wiz! I hope the Russians don’t take it personally, though luckily I’ll be safe in England... oh, sorry! Another joke
See how you put an emote this time?
Welcome to the internet. We don't have tone of voice or non-verbal communication here, so you actually have to make an effort to place those things in your text. Fortunately there are a whole range of ways to do this, from simple smiley faces to emotes to slightly more esoteric things like /s. I'm sure there are guides and hints if you Google for them.
But hey, you're getting better and learning.
Thank you, o-wise internet guardian.
Oh, I’m sorry, I almost forgot!
Edit: now that we’ve all finished the vicious attack of poor Russia, we can get back to attacking evil America!!!
Trump calls the EU a foe in interview before heading to Russia for summit with Putin
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Outrageous. What do you guys call soccer anyway?
Association Football, see above post. Various other disciplines of football are in common usage across the isles, most are more fun to watch/play than soccer in my opinion.
Some games of football-proper are still held according to original rules but the advent of roads and traffic around Town Crosses have mostly put a stop to the practice.
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Targeted at people who do live in North America (because, come on) who most assuredly knew of Trump long before he started his role in politics by accusing Obama of being a Kenyan sleeper cell terrorist President; and thus wouldn't find a video of him lying once every 5 words to be odd behavior at all of him. Not commenting on a video showing that while also defending his any of his policies is not much of a smoking gun to make "observations" about.
Because, again, thirty years.
Sorry to be late to the party.
I'm not saying all of Russia('s actions) are bad and I do get why the US is provocing Russia by expanding NATO with countries closer and closer to russias border. On the other hand I can not defend an authoritatian. Putin (and/or the russian government) is a person I dislike due to authoritarian tendencies.
On the other hand what you say is kind of a false analogy to my personal knowledge.
There are and have been cheating USA athlete's and that's the distinction. Cheating USA athletes, for Russia it was state organised cheating. So while athletes of the USA have been found cheating the USA itself had not while Russia has.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/sports/olympics/ioc-russia-winter-olympics.html
Why would pointing that out be russia bashing?
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Here's a novel thought for you, maybe those members only disagree with some of the stuff that is said against Trump, and agree with others and like most normal people only usually reply to stuff they disagree with. Or better yet, maybe they have better things to do with their lives than reply to every single thing you post. 💡
There is only one member though that likes to stroke his own ego when he posts something that people don't disagree with or at least argue against (usually pointing out the obvious like that Trump lies).
Oh hey buddy.
I can't see that really being true though, because the things that are defended (his trade wars, his brilliant work in Korea) is all based on the same sorts of lies. Seems reasonable that if your down for one of his lies, you'd be down for the lot?
That's probably true, but I wasn't even eluding to posts I'd made, but posts others had made, in other threads where Trump's mention wasn't even a core part of said posts.Or better yet, maybe they have better things to do with their lives than reply to every single thing you post. 💡
How am I stroking my ego exactly?
The lies Trump has told have been regurgitated here many times and by a variety of people, it was interesting to me that no one retorted that link.
Good to see your back though, as a Brexiteer be nice to see how you think it's all going
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Doesn't seem that reasonable no, I don't see many people that post on here if any at all who I would say are blind worshipers of Trump and believe everything he says, so it would seem to me that not all lies he tells would be believed. There have also been things I've seen defended here that have been based on lies against Trump and were simply false so given that I wouldn't expect everyone who has ever defended Trump here would defend Trump against everything.
Well the point still applies even if it doesn't just apply to you, maybe the people who defend Trump don't have time to reply to everything said against him.
Your posts like the one I quoted come across as incredibly arrogant, as if people not arguing against you means that you've been right all along about everything you've ever said like it's a single massive argument with either a right or wrong answer as opposed to arguments about lots of different things. Maybe that's not how you mean it to come across I don't know, but that's how it reads to me.
Good to see your back though, as a Brexiteer be nice to see how you think it's all going
I pretty much agree with @Touring Mars's analysis he's been posting in the Brexit thread even if I am just over the other side of the fence. It's frustrating to see how stupidly stubborn both sides are being but will just have to wait and see what they come up with. At least our economy is still doing better than it was predicted to be and altogether not too badly with growth not that far off France and Germany.
Well, that isn't true. People defended and proudly proclaimed his victory over North Korea[1], which has since, turned out to have been false.
This would be fair enough, but so many threads in this section devolve into Trump vs anti-Trump, it was startling to see something so clearly anti-Trump not defended against. It's difficult to convey emotion and intent with text, as we're all aware.
While I'm not sure I agree with this assertion, didn't you vote to leave, on the grounds of immigration, rather than economy?
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I think you might still be missing the point on this one, you have no evidence as far as I can tell that anyone here believes every lie that Trump tells, so I don't find it reasonable to come to the conclusion that you're going to get people arguing against you every time you point out one of his lies.
Probably just best to put it down to a misunderstanding then. 👍
No, I didn't vote to leave based on one issue, and immigration wasn't even the main issue I voted on, it was more the principle of less, more localized government and that our government should make the final decisions on all laws affecting this country, which isn't possible whilst in the EU as it is. Immigration is probably just the biggest example of an area where our government does not have the control it should have (a point you disagree with which is why I didn't continue arguing because we weren't going to get anywhere).
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This is no more evidence of failure than Trump's meeting with Kim was evidence of victory. Negotiations are ongoing and both sides will push and pull and stretch the limits, that's how these things generally work. Ultimate victory is a long way off. Seasoned political veterans are well aware that the process has just begun.
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It's been 10 years already...
I wonder if that tie was tasty.
I wonder if that tie was tasty.
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A tragic and worrying accident occurred in Genoa, Italy yesterday as a notorious bridge, the Ponte Morandi, partially collapsed killing at least 37 people and leaving a swathe of unanswered questions. The Italian government are looking for heads to roll, though there are questions about systemic failings across the board in Italy, including possible mafia involvement and corruption. The fact that the bridge was known to be structurally unsound and some experts had described it as 'a tragedy waiting to happen' begs even more questions. Italy now faces the daunting prospect that thousands of other structures will have to be closely examined/monitored and/or repaired - indeed, the Morandi bridge was being monitored but it didn't prevent a catastrophic collapse.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-death-toll-italy-minister-calls-resignations
Not that there was ever a 'good time' for something like this to happen, it arguably couldn't have happened at a worse time for Italy, with the new populist government under pressure to deliver a controversial budget that promises to increase spending which puts it on a collision course with the EU, who must approve all Eurozone member state budgets. Indeed, Matteo Salvini (the leader of one of the two parties in the ruling coalition) has already taken the opportunity to claim that EU budget constraints put the safety of Italians at risk, in a move that is only likely to raise the possibility of a major conflict between Italy and the EU in the coming months.
http://time.com/5366949/italy-prime-minister-bridge-collapse-budget-constraints/
Meanwhile, there are increasingly ominous rumblings coming out of Italy regarding what they might do if the EU/ECB (European Central Bank) refuse to implement measures that the Italian government are demanding (such as intervening in the bond markets to prevent Italy's borrowing costs from spiralling out of control); Italy's finance minister said this week that without guarantees from the ECB (that such measures will be taken), then 'the Euro will be dismantled'... he also mentioned the key phrase, 'Plan B' - which basically involves Italy crashing out of the Euro and reverting to its own currency.
Time will tell, but Italy seems to be heading towards a Greece-style moment of truth - which means either accepting EU rules (and betraying their voters) or quitting the Eurozone (and destroying the Italian economy in the process).
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-death-toll-italy-minister-calls-resignations
Not that there was ever a 'good time' for something like this to happen, it arguably couldn't have happened at a worse time for Italy, with the new populist government under pressure to deliver a controversial budget that promises to increase spending which puts it on a collision course with the EU, who must approve all Eurozone member state budgets. Indeed, Matteo Salvini (the leader of one of the two parties in the ruling coalition) has already taken the opportunity to claim that EU budget constraints put the safety of Italians at risk, in a move that is only likely to raise the possibility of a major conflict between Italy and the EU in the coming months.
http://time.com/5366949/italy-prime-minister-bridge-collapse-budget-constraints/
Meanwhile, there are increasingly ominous rumblings coming out of Italy regarding what they might do if the EU/ECB (European Central Bank) refuse to implement measures that the Italian government are demanding (such as intervening in the bond markets to prevent Italy's borrowing costs from spiralling out of control); Italy's finance minister said this week that without guarantees from the ECB (that such measures will be taken), then 'the Euro will be dismantled'... he also mentioned the key phrase, 'Plan B' - which basically involves Italy crashing out of the Euro and reverting to its own currency.
Time will tell, but Italy seems to be heading towards a Greece-style moment of truth - which means either accepting EU rules (and betraying their voters) or quitting the Eurozone (and destroying the Italian economy in the process).
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In regards to the roads/bridges of Italy, it's shocking just how bad they are. I can count on one hand the number of roads and bridges I've seen with drainage. I've seen several roads after earth quakes or other changes in the ground only to see fairly main roads be thin layers of tarmac just laid on dirt.A tragic and worrying accident occurred in Genoa, Italy yesterday as a notorious bridge, the Ponte Morandi, partially collapsed killing at least 37 people and leaving a swathe of unanswered questions. The Italian government are looking for heads to roll, though there are questions about systemic failings across the board in Italy, including possible mafia involvement and corruption. The fact that the bridge was known to be structurally unsound and some experts had described it as 'a tragedy waiting to happen' begs even more questions. Italy now faces the daunting prospect that thousands of other structures will have to be closely examined/monitored and/or repaired - indeed, the Morandi bridge was being monitored but it didn't prevent a catastrophic collapse.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-death-toll-italy-minister-calls-resignations
Not that there was ever a 'good time' for something like this to happen, it arguably couldn't have happened at a worse time for Italy, with the new populist government under pressure to deliver a controversial budget that promises to increase spending and puts it on a collision course with the EU, who must approve all Eurozone member state budgets. Indeed, Matteo Salvini (the leader of one of the two parties in the ruling coalition) has already taken the opportunity to claim that EU budget constraints put the safety of Italians at risk, in a move that is only likely to raise the possibility of a major conflict between Italy and the EU in the coming months.
http://time.com/5366949/italy-prime-minister-bridge-collapse-budget-constraints/
Meanwhile, there are increasingly ominous rumblings coming out of Italy regarding what they might do if the EU/ECB (European Central Bank) refuse to implement measures that the Italian government are demanding (such as intervening in the bond markets to prevent Italy's borrowing costs from spiralling out of control); Italy's finance minister said this week that without guarantees from the ECB (that such measures will be taken), then 'the Euro will be dismantled'... he also mentioned the key phrase, 'Plan B' - which basically involves Italy crashing out of the Euro and reverting to its own currency.
Time will tell, but Italy seems to be heading towards a Greece-style moment of truth - which means either accepting EU rules (and betraying their voters) or quitting the Eurozone (and destroying the Italian economy in the process).
It's really quite shocking.
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Some work was going on in the foundations, I'm told. A friend who's a structural engineer saw the video of the moment of the strike and believes, given what she's read, that over time the concrete may have been shifting enough for small porous cavities to form around the pillar's internal steel reinforcements within thereby allowing moisture to gather. The lighting (a significant bolt) could have shattered internal sections (explosive steam exapnsion) if the structure wasn't in altogether good repair.
She believes this is a potential problem for many 60s/70s shutter-built structures. The chances of the 'perfect storm' of problems occuring are very low but the effects can be catastrophic.
