Even faster than a Veyron...

[Tornado]

The Veyron runs PS/2's as well according to Motor Trend, so the idea of the Veyron running high top speed is bullocks as well by that logic.

 

[Dave A]

I think he meant reasoning along the liens of if it can do that then it can do this as a generalisation. Which technically is correct, just because the can do one thing well doesn't automatically mean they can do another thing well. As for the PS/2's they are very good tyre's but I fail to see where this all comes down to my original point which was...

It can probably only possibly attempt to reach it's potential top speed in circumstances that would not allow the car to be driven on the road. On top of that Bristol do not allow any public testing of their cars, they don't hand them to magazines to test, they don't allow tv shows to have them or anything like that. If you ever do see any test of this car, the only kind of test it will be is a private owners test. There will never be any attepted run of this car to take it beyond 225mph, and I'd bet my money on it.

You said you quoted the wrong part of what I said, what part of that do you dissagree with Toronado? Personally i think this is just a bit of a missunderstanding, because I have never mentioned anything about no cars being capable of going faster than the Veyron, rather all my posts relating to these recent spouts of Veyron beaters are in relation to the stupidly higher top speed calims they've been coming up with, Barabus for exmple sad their car should go in excess of 270mph. Ridiculous if you ask me. I can't see any proper road legal tyre's coping with thoes speeds, at least not as we know them, and I can't see any car not putting too mcuh pressure on them since a car with too little downforce will not remain on the road at 250+mph.

 

[Scaff]

That was the only part you came out and said. And again, I never said anything about the Bristol being able to go near 270. In part, some of this misunderstanding is because I selected the wrong part of your post when I quoted you and didn't think it would matter.

The only thing I haven't seen done is a test that took the car to its top speed. I have seen a plethora of acceleration and handling tests from that car running Michelin PS/2 tires, and if need be I could post a link to it.

@Scaff: I'm still looking for the magazine that talked about the weight issue. I'm positive that I read it somewhere.

I'd be interested to see it 👍

I the mean time I can state that the tyres fitted to the Veyron are not standard PS/2's rather specific versions developed for the Veyron as the following press info from Michelin shows

http://gestdoc.webmichelin.com/repo...ry=MICHCORP&codeRubrique=FaitsMArquants2005EN

Regards

Scaff

 

[the Interceptor]

The Veyron runs PS/2's as well according to Motor Trend, so the idea of the Veyron running high top speed is bullocks as well by that logic.

The Veyron does run Michelin PS2, but they were specially made for that car and the speeds it can go. They differ from the standard PS2 ones.

EDIT: damn, Scaff beat me to it. Well, better twice than not at all I guess ...

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[Tornado]

You said you quoted the wrong part of what I said, what part of that do you dissagree with Toronado?

This part:

There will never be any attepted run of this car to take it beyond 225mph, and I'd bet my money on it.

That read to me like you were saying it was imnpossible for this Bristol to go over 225.

rather all my posts relating to these recent spouts of Veyron beaters are in relation to the stupidly higher top speed calims they've been coming up with, Barabus for exmple sad their car should go in excess of 270mph. Ridiculous if you ask me. I can't see any proper road legal tyre's coping with thoes speeds, at least not as we know them, and I can't see any car not putting too mcuh pressure on them since a car with too little downforce will not remain on the road at 250+mph.

Oh, I know. I personally think that the Barabus is just a new age Vector, only uglier and not as cool.
The 270 MPH part of this news report is pretty rediculous. The "Faster than a Veyron" in my opinion may not be so, or at the very least may not be as far from the truth as the 270MPH part. The only reason I can think of that this car may not be able to outrun the Veyron is because of aerodynamic lift.

I the mean time I can state that the tyres fitted to the Veyron are not standard PS/2's rather specific versions developed for the Veyron as the following press info from Michelin shows

Okay. Thanks Scaff.

 

[Dave A]

Oh no, I believe it is more than capable of going faster than 225, I just don't think it ever will go over 225 or at least ever be recorded in a test at over 225mph. Bristol are very funny with not letting people test their cars and I don't tihnk the many private owners will jump at the prospect of lifting the limiter (likely voiding any warranty) and handing the car to a magazine to let them test it.👍.

 

[Scaff]

Oh no, I believe it is more than capable of going faster than 225, I just don't think it ever will go over 225 or at least ever be recorded in a test at over 225mph. Bristol are very funny with not letting people test their cars and I don't tihnk the many private owners will jump at the prospect of lifting the limiter (likely voiding any warranty) and handing the car to a magazine to let them test it.👍.

Yep the only test of a Bristol Fighter I have ever read was in Evo and that was an owners car (Bristol themselves will not lend cars to the press), its got 3 stars (out of five).

Scaff

 

[harrytuttle]

I know for a fact that the Veyrons speed is limited mostly because of the weight, just like the Mercedes SL, not because there are no tires that can operate above 253; so don't try to tell me that Bristol couldn't get a tire to go over 253 because Bugatti spent so much money developing one and came up with nothing. The Veyron could most likely go a damned sight faster if it didn't weigh over 4000lbs because the tires probably wouldn't explode at 260MPH or whatever.

How hard is it really to design tires that are capable of 300MPH+? What are these guys using:

http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/records/BNIrecs_cat_d.htm

Are those ^^ simply not street legal?

 

[Jedi2016]

How hard is it really to design tires that are capable of 300MPH+? What are these guys using:

http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/records/BNIrecs_cat_d.htm

Are those ^^ simply not street legal?

With tires like that you have an option. Speed or handling. Sure, they could put tires on the Veyron that would probably let it hit whatever it's actual top end is. But it wouldn't handle worth a damn at lower speeds. As it is, the tires they have allow the car to handle surprisingly well even at speeds above 200mph.

Personally, I think the Viper argument is moot, for the inclusion of one word: "tuned". It's like tuning up a car in GT to some insane level that no normal person would ever actually tune a car in real life, and claiming that such-and-such a car can hit such-and-such a speed.

When you tune a car to that level, it's not really that car anymore. It's something else, wrapped up in the packaging of the old car. Those Vipers? They're not Vipers. They just look like Vipers. This is why I don't tune my cars in GT. But the Veyron? It's the Veyron, as-is.

I think a car should be judged on what it can do... not what it can be made to do. There's a difference.

Since you're allowing tuning into the argument, why not tune up a Veyron? Throw some straight-line speed tires on there, bump it up to about 1750hp. That puppy will probably hit 350+.