Every Man's Racing rig (let me know what you think)

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A lot of companies and individuals have come up with awesome and envied sim racing rigs and cockpits to enhance the sim racing experience. Plenty of others have scraped together the various materials to assemble all sorts of poor man's (diy) rigs to mount their wheels. I've seen everything from pre punched angle iron to pvc pipe rigs. Some metal fabricators have put together impressive variations on the Play Seat type design while others dream up their own completely original designs.

:idea:This is my take on the every man's racing rig.💡



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This system works with most seating.




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And it stores in 1' x 2' (305mm x 610mm)of floor space with the wheel and pedals attached.



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With a huge range of motion, if you can't get comfortable for the long events, I am not sure you can be.
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Shaq could use this rig!:lol:

If you swap around the pedal rest and wheel mount, a 4 year old could use it. It is highly versatile and adjustable. It was designed with the practical in mind. Having it won't put you in divorce court and won't take up all your floor space in the man cave.:grumpy: This will even work in a cramped dorm room or apartment.
:)👍 It is every man's wheel stand. (or woman's if you are so inclined, don't want to leave out the fairer sex.)

It was designed around the Driving Force GT wheel from Logitech which is probably the best bang for your "every man's" buck for PC and PS3. I am sure it would work with a lot of other systems including the super popular Logitech G series wheels. It can easily be modified to suit other wheels where necessary.
:)👍

I am considering whether or not to produce more units. I am not sure I can price them high enough to cover my time. After building the prototype, I did one run of 3 units in a "production run" to see how long it would take to build these units having already built the jigs and knowing all the details. I was surprised at how many man hours it actually took to finish them. I am not sure if I can build them and be properly compensated for the effort. With the addition of the MKIII improvements (addition of 2 extra lower pivot members to increase lateral stability; see pics), the time to build this is a major consideration, especially if there is to be several color options. I have already sold 2 of the three production units, so they have been well received among friends and acquaintances. I am not sure they would have sold for what I have into them though. The first couple were sold at a discount to gain feedback on the performance and design.

That is why I would love some feedback from the community.:gtpflag: What do you think a racing stand like this is worth? Many manufacturers produce some nice rigs for a hefty price. Where would something like this line up in price and performance as compared to other systems? Would people be interested in buying the design and building their own? I have a complete CAD design for the rig but it takes precision woodworking skills to pull it off properly (and a lathe and mill come in pretty handy too, even though they aren't necessary). That tends to prohibit novice woodworkers.
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💡What do you think, guys and gals?💡

💡You can also check out more pics on my profile page.:)👍

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P.S. (edit)

I realize the color isn't popular. The camera flash really makes it look bright.:yuck: In reality, it isn't so flashy.:) That being said, I am a designer and fabricator and I obviously didn't spend a whole lot of time considering the artistic points of the design and am more interested in the form and function of it. The color was an afterthought and I just chose something linked to GT, the game that inspired the project.

I have to admit that I have to resist the urge to to be irritated with everyone's fixation with the color as if that really mattered to the performance and function of the wheel stand. I am able to resist because I understand that most people are attracted to looks before function and can't get past the color. That is why companies focus group. You never know what John Q Public is going to think. Or what might turn them off. :sly:

I guess I will paint one up something different and update the thread or just start a new thread. I am taking the color suggestions to heart and will decide on something based on that. I was thinking of changing the blue to flat or gloss black and seeing how that would work. Then I could at least leave the red parts alone. I think silver and black would look good too. Any other suggestions will be considered.
 
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How much could you potentially make this for... Could it be mass produced.
If the answer to the first question is 150+ then I don't think it would be competitive in the market place.
Kudos for design though.
:)
 
Nice looking rig mate, can definitely see you've put a lot of hours in, unfortunately I wouldn't have a clue how much something like that is worth. I've seen similar systems using aluminium retail for about £100. I did draw up a design of my own which is for a steel/aluminium frame, the parts price up cheap but I don't know how long they will take to cut and weld...I'll get around to building it one day
 
That's amazing.👍 Unfortunately, since I have no experience with rigs, I can't comment on the price part. I do have a recommendation, paint it something like silver and black. The red and blue makes it look like a kid's toy.
 
It can't be easy access to the pedals with that huge center post especially for right foot brakers. Other than that it looks good.
 
So it was you who stole the toys from my local playground... you dirty bastard, the kids wont stop crying....

Im sorry just kidding

EDIT: its a nice rig but if you would like an opinion - change the colors.
 
So it was you who stole the toys from my local playground... you dirty bastard, the kids wont stop crying....

Im sorry just kidding

EDIT: its a nice rig but if you would like an opinion - change the colors.

The colors are in honor of GT. The red and blue is pretty flashy, similar to race cars...its definitely not for everyone but the color is easy to change. I Planned on adding some white in the form of logos and striping but haven't done anything yet. I was also thinking flat black and silver would be pretty sweet. The sky is the limit.
 
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It can't be easy access to the pedals with that huge center post especially for right foot brakers. Other than that it looks good.

You would think that but it is almost non existent on the MKII and the MKIII doesn't really effect much either. The MKII is thinner than the center post of the play seat. I was more worried about two footer drivers because the pedals can be shifted right for the right foot brakers. I use both feet to drive and I have no problem with obstruction and the freedom of movement is great.
 
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How much could you potentially make this for... Could it be mass produced.
If the answer to the first question is 150+ then I don't think it would be competitive in the market place.
Kudos for design though.
:)

It could definitely be mass produced using injection molded fiber reinforced polymers. I am not sure there would be enough demand for decent ROI. If all I could get is $150 per unit hand made, then I would just enjoy the one I built and let other racers glue PVC pipe together to build their rigs or drop serious cash for a high end cockpit design. Nobody else makes a stand nearly as versatile and well built for anywhere near $150. When you look into the details of other economical designs, they just don't have enough adjustments and/or they are poorly designed.

I haven't seen a design worth buying that was economical. That is why I built my own. Remember, I built it to meet a wide range of possible seating options that the average person would have.:) I also thought that instead of manufacturing them, offer a kit for the diy builder with plans and hardware. As this forum shows, a lot of guys out there want to build their own.
 
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Just a couple opinions.

Its nice that it has the huge range of adjustability, but does it really need that much? Maybe for the specials cases like you mention (Shaq or a 4 year old). I think with 2 pivot points not only will it save on time/material, but will look more like a wheel stand, not much like a robot arm. It will also free up some space above the pedals. Just a thought.

Colors. Someone mentioned this and I agree. Black. Not everyone likes GT, and I think even the folks that do didnt catch the blue, red tribute to the GT logo. It isnt attractive in the color department.

Price. At $150 I can see this filling a niche. But you will in competition with say Fanatecs Rennspot Wheelstand, or Wheelstand Pro, both pretty well established, tried and tested.

In order to break into the "every mans" area, price would need to be even lower. If it is possible to do even. If not, then maybe even taking orders in limited quantity, and making them in spare time might be the best option. Just dont turn into a RinoSeat :)

Anyway just my 2 cents.
 
First impressions are huge. Nobody can get over the colors. Try black with some attractive silver graphics, then post back in a NEW thread. I think you'll get a better responnse and after that you can tell us your bottom dollar price. Good luck.

Scotty
 
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Just a couple opinions.

Its nice that it has the huge range of adjustability, but does it really need that much? Maybe for the specials cases like you mention (Shaq or a 4 year old). I think with 2 pivot points not only will it save on time/material, but will look more like a wheel stand, not much like a robot arm. It will also free up some space above the pedals.

If have only 2 pivot points, then you need a slip joint between them in order to be able to adjust for the proper pedal to wheel distance and wheel height which is different for each person. Two pivot points can only create an arc so if you want the wheel farther away, it will get lower and lower as you arc away from the pedals. You can increase the distance from wheel to pedals but not the height from the wheel to the ground or vice versa. The alternative is to have the pedals move which would ultimately cause the base to have to be lengthened and it would not stand up for storage w/o further pieces and complication.
I think most people are overly worried about the foot room around the pedals. There is no restriction at all. Take a look at the play seat set up and where the pedals are. they have a metal post instead of MDF but it has to go between your legs. Even with the 3 lower members of my MKIII, I have all day to reach the pedals easily with both feet and so has the others who have used it. I never got one complaint about it.:)
 
First impressions are huge. Nobody can get over the colors. Try black with some attractive silver graphics, then post back in a NEW thread. I think you'll get a better responnse and after that you can tell us your bottom dollar price. Good luck.

Scotty

I have to agree with you and I edited the post that I would do so. I can tell you now that the bottom price I would charge is higher than $150 regardless of the color. Likely, a one color scheme with vinyl graphics is the way to keep it cheaper but the overall labor involved is too much to bother with for $150. The wheel stand pro costs that much and it is basically a bunch of cheap chrome plated steel tubing welded together. It has some decent adjustment but the pedals lie flat and distance between the wheel and the pedals is limited. The whole rig is light and looks more like a kids scooter than a racing rig. I have to hand it to them though. The simplicity of design is awesome and I am sure it is better than what most people have. I can say with certainty that my stand is much more adjustable and substantial as that thing looks like it would move all over the place. It is however, good to use as a benchmark for what I would charge.:)
 
Real Carbon Fiber is crazy expensive. That stuff Zoo is using on his rig looks pretty good if you ask me.
 
I think the design is great. The color is flashy, but the design might be my favortie one I have seen of literaly all the fold away setups out there. The way it folds up would make it so easy to put in a closet. If it's very sturdy, to me it looks better then all the other portable rigs I've seen. That includes the wheel stand pro and fanatecs. I could probably sell several of those for you if the price was decent.
 
As long as the beam in the center is thin enough that you can drive with a 3 pedal system with no obstructions, I would say you got an A+ stand there!
 
The color aren't bad, just put some Red Bull Stickers on it. Nice touch on the cup holder.
 
I think the design is great. The color is flashy, but the design might be my favortie one I have seen of literaly all the fold away setups out there. The way it folds up would make it so easy to put in a closet. If it's very sturdy, to me it looks better then all the other portable rigs I've seen. That includes the wheel stand pro and fanatecs. I could probably sell several of those for you if the price was decent.

The layout is superior to a lot of other designs. I have gotten criticism for the color and online it looks a little plastic and bright. Some white graphics could fix it up and break up some of the blue. I plan on converting my last unsold unit to Black with red or silver and see how it looks.

I spent a lot of time considering all the factors and think I have found a good compromise between performance and practicality. I think once I come up with a more popular paint scheme and a better understanding of all the features and advantages of this system, I may have something to offer and get a price that rewards the effort.
 
The color aren't bad, just put some Red Bull Stickers on it. Nice touch on the cup holder.

I had thought of adding racing stickers or graphics to spruce it up. I am not sure Red Bull would approve for free. I also thought about adding the GT logo in white but again, I think they might mind if I am selling them. It wouldn't be as brazen as calling it the Driving Force GT Steering Wheel stand!:lol: WHICH I AM NOT! Thank you.
 
I have to agree with you and I edited the post that I would do so. I can tell you now that the bottom price I would charge is higher than $150 regardless of the color. Likely, a one color scheme with vinyl graphics is the way to keep it cheaper but the overall labor involved is too much to bother with for $150. The wheel stand pro costs that much and it is basically a bunch of cheap chrome plated steel tubing welded together. It has some decent adjustment but the pedals lie flat and distance between the wheel and the pedals is limited. The whole rig is light and looks more like a kids scooter than a racing rig. I have to hand it to them though. The simplicity of design is awesome and I am sure it is better than what most people have. I can say with certainty that my stand is much more adjustable and substantial as that thing looks like it would move all over the place. It is however, good to use as a benchmark for what I would charge.:)

Well I knew it would be >$150. bevo's post was good.

Scotty
 
As long as the beam in the center is thin enough that you can drive with a 3 pedal system with no obstructions, I would say you got an A+ stand there!

I have taken some pics of the view looking down to my feet on the pedals of both the MKII and MKIII because this has been a concern.

First the MKII:


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Now the MKIII

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Looking up

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As you can see, I have no trouble putting my feet on the pedals and my legs are comfortably placed in a racing style bucket seat. Unless you like your legs crammed together, there should be no issue even with a 3 pedal setup. Even if you are a right foot braker, you can shift the pedal assy. over to the right and easily access both the gas and brake with the right foot. A 3 pedal setup already does this by nature of its width.
 
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I could probably sell several of those for you if the price was decent.

Would you anticipate much demand with so much competition out there? I just sold a MKIII with a brand new DFGT wheel included for $350. Really not a bad deal for a complete racing rig. The play seat evolution costs that much w/o a wheel and you need a place to place it for the many hours you aren't using it.
 
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