Every new car needs an oil change

[Tornado]

For time-trialing you always need perfect conditions and same conditions for everyone..

I don't see the problem then. If you are worried about attaining perfect conditions, why not just change the oil and be through with it?
I'd imagine that 95% of returning GT players automatically change the oil on all cars that they receive anyways, so one could reasonably assume that the people who put enough effort into being at the top of the leaderboards already changed the oil.

 

[Boris Lozac]

I don't see the problem then. If you are worried about attaining perfect conditions, why not just change the oil and be through with it?
I'd imagine that 95% of returning GT players automatically change the oil on all cars that they receive anyways, so one could reasonably assume that the people who put enough effort into being at the top of the leaderboards already changed the oil.

Oil is not the problem, it's this 'more horse power the more you drive the car'. So for example you want the tackle some record and the guy has like 2000 miles with that car, and you just bought it.. even if it's 'just' 5 HP, that's like half a second difference in lap times i bet..
Those two Eunos Roadsters from the Dealerships, one is 10 killos lighter and i'm a second faster with it on Tsukuba.

 

[Devedander]

^^ So you wnat the game where you don't ahve to change your oil? too much realism to do so?
or am I missing your point?

I wish I didn't have to change my oil or at least the process was much easier and less time consuming... I mean sure it's realistic but please let me just look at my garage list and click on each car, click change oil and have it deduct the proper Cr or even better, let me multi sleect or select all cars and change oil at once... I despise that it's such a rigamarole to change your oil and with all the menu delays I have to waste time going into GTTune to SEE if my car needs an oil change? Come one!

And again, I know it's realistic but then why do my tires last forever? That's not realistic? And no I would NOT want to deal with tracking tire wear and changing them either!

You know what's realistic? That a guy who owns and races a huge bevy of cars ranging up to actual race cars would HAVE SOMEONE WHO DOES MAINTENANCE ON HIS CARS FOR HIM so never has to worry about oil changes!

You're suggesting that a car with an oil change will be noticeably faster than the same car without around any circuit. I've just changed the oil in my newly acquired 0 mile Evo Super Rally car, it had 312bhp before the oil change and 324bhp after. It's really not a big deal, stupid or not, it's not going to be the difference between winning and losing, and if it does translate into decreased lap times you're talking in the region of 0.01 second, if that.

I don't see how 12 horses is not a big deal... as for winning and loosing because of it, I have done some events 5 or 6 times, never won, then upped my HP only 10-15 and then won... it can be the difference between same speed as #1 car and slightly faster on a long straight or it can get you out of a corner a little better...

 

[Tyger]

You're suggesting that a car with an oil change will be noticeably faster than the same car without around any circuit. I've just changed the oil in my newly acquired 0 mile Evo Super Rally car, it had 312bhp before the oil change and 324bhp after. It's really not a big deal, stupid or not, it's not going to be the difference between winning and losing, and if it does translate into decreased lap times you're talking in the region of 0.01 second, if that.

You think an extra 12bhp will only shave off a hundredth of a second? Sorry but that is way off the mark. I've had many races I can't quite nail or one little mistake has meant the difference between Gold and nothing at all, and have often lightly modded the car, with a sports exhaust or new air filter giving less than a 12bhp advantage, but believe me you know about it. Look at any range of cars on the market and you will get noticably different performance stats for 10bhp difference, not a hundredth of a second on a lap around a circuit.

 

[NOS Waster]

Oil is not the problem, it's this 'more horse power the more you drive the car'. So for example you want the tackle some record and the guy has like 2000 miles with that car, and you just bought it.. even if it's 'just' 5 HP, that's like half a second difference in lap times i bet..
Those two Eunos Roadsters from the Dealerships, one is 10 killos lighter and i'm a second slower with it on Tsukuba.

5 HP makes HARDLY any difference in laps, just like 10 kilos.
If you want an explanation, then the difference comes down to the person behind the wheel/controller.

5HP: would maybe make 0.25 or less difference
10 kilos: would make 0.35 seconds difference MAYBE

And IRL, the engine operates better after the break-in period.
The break-in is the same in this game, and the power gain stops after a few hundred miles on a car here and the power then starts to go back down.
IRL, it's more like 2,000 miles to break the engine in.

Stop blowing realistic things out of proportion.

 

[DubVipers]

Kinda wish we can choose oil brands and oil weights... with different prices.


and go to the GT5 walmart section and get a 5gal jug of Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 for $24. roughly 240 credits. LOL

 

[Tyger]

Oil is not the problem, it's this 'more horse power the more you drive the car'. So for example you want the tackle some record and the guy has like 2000 miles with that car, and you just bought it.. even if it's 'just' 5 HP, that's like half a second difference in lap times i bet..
Those two Eunos Roadsters from the Dealerships, one is 10 killos lighter and i'm a second slower with it on Tsukuba.

Agreed, the breaking in is admittedly realistic, but the argument that the oil change for new cars however is "different oil" comes across as a little lame, You really think that's what PD meant? If so why is there no mention of this "special" oil anywhere and how it differs to the oil you get in the new car?

Some of us like comparing the performance of cars in GT, seems now there is no way of telling how to get a uniform set up for each car though, coupled with the fact that they haven't given us any testing facilities this time for max speed etc.

I don't want to come across as trolling, I absolutely love this game and am playing it to death but it amazes me every day how many little cracks there are in it, that are admittedly made up for by other amazingness, but shouldn't really be there in the first place. I sincerely hope these will be addressed in updates and PD don't wash their hands of GT5 and channel all their resources into GT6, or some other title. They are bigger than that now, literally.

 

[Boris Lozac]

5 HP makes HARDLY any difference in laps, just like 10 kilos.
If you want an explanation, then the difference comes down to the person behind the wheel/controller.

5HP: would maybe make 0.25 or less difference
10 kilos: would make 0.35 seconds difference MAYBE

And IRL, the engine operates better after the break-in period.
The break-in is the same in this game, and the power gain stops after a few hundred miles on a car here and the power then starts to go back down.
IRL, it's more like 2,000 miles to break the engine in.

Stop blowing realistic things out of proportion.

Dude, i told you, i did 1.05.xx with Eunos Roadster '91 (the yellow one), then bought the '89 version, everything is the same except it's 10 kilos lighter.. and immediately made 1 second faster time.
Again, it's not blowing out of proportion, it's an uterly uterly stupid game design. As i said, it would be cool if there's some proper career, like in Porsche Unleashed, but in time-trials, Online?

 

[NOS Waster]

I can hit very similar lap times with both of those Eunos Roadsters.

Also, suspension and different stock tires may account to a time difference.
Not everything is horsepower and weight. Suspension, brakes, tires, and aerodynamics are at play as well. It's not unheard of that the newer car is slower than the older one.

Look at everything about the car before you deduce that 10 kilograms is the end-all-be-all of a time gain.

 

[KidCastro]

OMG! Here we go again... GT has always had the change oil standard-> performance. WTF is your problem, have you run out of things to complain about? This is another stupid complaint thread, GTP is getting worst.

5HP increase would not make a marginal difference in laptime, especially in the game!

The game design has always been this way if you have played GT before, accept it and move on...

 

[Boris Lozac]

@ NOS waster

You're defending the undefendable.. people have told you that difference is more then noticable with 5 or 10 hp more. I don't know what 'similiar' means in your arcade world 1 second difference is not similiar.

 

[dougdoberman]

Dude, i told you, i did 1.05.xx with Eunos Roadster '91 (the yellow one), then bought the '89 version, everything is the same except it's 10 kilos lighter.. and immediately made 1 second faster time.
Again, it's not blowing out of proportion, it's an uterly uterly stupid game design. As i said, it would be cool if there's some proper career, like in Porsche Unleashed, but in time-trials, Online?

How many laps did you do in the '91? Was that 1.05.xx the best that you could ever do and it was consistent every time outta the hundreds that you ran it? And now you can do a 1.04 with the '89, consistantly time after time for hundreds of laps? And you can't go back and do it in the '91?

Or did you manage a 1.05 after a handful of laps, bought the new car and then managed a 1.04 after a handful of laps?

Unless you're freakishly consistent, 10kg won't even be noticed, and it certainly wouldn't make a 1 sec difference in lap times. You just drove a cleaner lap.

 

[S13180sx]

It's good that you need to change oil and break in cars.. it ads another dimension to racing... it's nnot just about being a good driver, it's about setting up and maintaining your car correctly... just like real driving.. stop winging and learn to maintain your cars properly...

 

[NOS Waster]

@ NOS waster

You're defending the undefendable.. people have told you that difference is more then noticable with 5 or 10 hp more. I don't know what 'similiar' means in your arcade world 1 second difference is not similiar.

If i can run those 2 cars with lap times of 1:04 within 0.2 seconds of each other, then that is similar. 5 to 10 HP or 5 to 10 KG does NOT make that much of a difference.

 

[CSLACR]

Dare I say...
I've changed the oil to make winning races easier, give an underpowered car that extra boost.
Yes, it does make a noticeable difference, as well it should.

I watched from the passenger seat, two identical cars race, one had two people (the one I was in) vs the other with only a driver, and yet, the car which had the disadvantage of my extra 160lbs pull away in 2nd gear while the other used first, starting from about 15mph...
If you're interested first gear pulls to 38mph at redline.
And yes, the one I was riding in IS that much faster, with the only differences we know of being one was beaten from 0.0miles and the other was broken in properly can given a proper oil change at 3000 miles.

 

[NOS Waster]

Dare I say...
I've changed the oil to make winning races easier, give an underpowered car that extra boost.
Yes, it does make a noticeable difference, as well it should.

I watched from the passenger seat, two identical cars race, one had two people (the one I was in) vs the other with only a driver, and yet, the car which had the disadvantage of my extra 160lbs pull away in 2nd gear while the other used first, starting from about 15mph...
If you're interested first gear pulls to 38mph at redline.
And yes, the one I was riding in IS that much faster, with the only differences we know of being one was beaten from 0.0miles and the other was broken in properly can given a proper oil change at 3000 miles.

Yes. an oil change and a break in period in GT5 and IRL will give a very noticeable performance.
I've restored engines, broken them in, then changed the oil and i wasn't surprised when the stock HP on a WRX engine in GT5 got to nearly 300 HP (think it was the original Version 1). This was nearly 45 HP more than when i bought it. (It had about 255 when i bought it from the Used car area) and 45 HP is a big gain.

 

[Boris Lozac]

How many laps did you do in the '91? Was that 1.05.xx the best that you could ever do and it was consistent every time outta the hundreds that you ran it? And now you can do a 1.04 with the '89, consistantly time after time for hundreds of laps? And you can't go back and do it in the '91?

Or did you manage a 1.05 after a handful of laps, bought the new car and then managed a 1.04 after a handful of laps?

Unless you're freakishly consistent, 10kg won't even be noticed, and it certainly wouldn't make a 1 sec difference in lap times. You just drove a cleaner lap.

I started a little contest on LFS forum, Eunos Roadster on Tsukuba, did maybe 15, 20 laps with the 91 version. I saw that others were making 1 second faster time, then i found out there are two Eunos'es and i was using the second one, after bying the 89 version i imediatelly made almost a second faster times, and finally doing a 1.13.243, before with 91 version i struggled to go into low 1.14.xxx's.

 

[NOS Waster]

Again, 10 KG will NOT make a 1 second difference.
Did you even bother to think that there might be other things that affect a car's performance?

-Gear Ratios
-Location of Power and Torque Bands
-Weight Distribution
-Car Dimensions
-Tires
-Suspension
-Rim Weight (AKA: unsprung weight)
-Aerodynamics
-Chassis Stiffness

I can almost guarantee you that one of those or a combination of those things caused one of the cars to do better. 10 kg will not make a 1 second difference, no matter how much you want it to.

If you want to test that, take the heavier car and get the window lightening upgrade (that will lower the car weight by, guess what, 10 kg!). Now test it on tsukuba. I will bet nearly my whole garage that you will NOT gain 1 second around tsukuba.

 

[Boris Lozac]

Whatever the case, he asked me, i answered.. i'm not saying it's because of those 10kilos, but the point stands, that engine brake-in is really unnecessary, when (if) the leaderboards come, i sincerely hope all cars will be 'locked', and that this brake-in would only work in career mode.. you do agree that it's stupid for that to be working on time-trial leaderboards?

 

[NOS Waster]

Whatever the case, he asked me, i answered.. i'm not saying it's because of those 10kilos, but the point stands, that engine brake-in is really unnecessary, when (if) the leaderboards come, i sincerely hope all cars will be 'locked', and that this brake-in would only work in career mode.. you do agree that it's stupid for that to be working on time-trial leaderboards?

No, i don't.
If you have cars in your favorites list, then they should behave exactly as in GT Life.
If you select the cars from the garage of predefined cars, then those cars are already locked to break-ins.

Engine break-ins is not something stupid and should work throughout the game. It adds to realism. Saying it shouldn't be there because of your personal whim isn't going to get it out.

 

[Boris Lozac]

I rest my case..

 

[NOS Waster]

I rest my case..

Actually, in online mode, your cars can't gain miles anyway, so in a way, they are "locked", but you can break them in before you go online.

You should be happy

 

[Ishie]

That is utterly stupid.. especially for new cars, is that the case in Time Trial also?

That's what i thought at first also. But then i applied logic. They're just selling you a car. Why would they put top of the line racing oil in it? It makes sense really.

 

[NOS Waster]

That's what i thought at first also. But then i applied logic. They're just selling you a car. Why would they put top of the line racing oil in it? It makes sense really.

Bingo!

 

[ZeLemon]

Have you noticed the power increase of your new cars as you drive them the first couple hundred km?

That's called running in the engine. Very common and smart to do so with new cars.

 

[Heath_1]

Not a bug, this has always been the case with GT games

EDIT:
Taken from the Apex book you get with the CE and SE

High-output engines put immense strain in their components, particularly their internal parts, so high performance engine oil is absolutely essential. Engine oil functions as a lubricant, a cooling agent and a barrier maintaining an airtight state. If the oil is not able to coat surfaces properly, the cylinders will not be able to maintain pressure and the engine will lose power

So I guess what PD is going for, is that you chance the stock oil with some high performance oil...

Thanks for clearing that up. I was also a bit suss about the oil thing. In the back of my mind I thought [what you said] could be the answer.

Thanks.

 

[Grayfox]

i dont see why all used cars need an oil change, even the cars that have less than 500km on the clock, after 15,000km i would understand

 

[Spagetti69]

That's what i thought at first also. But then i applied logic. They're just selling you a car. Why would they put top of the line racing oil in it? It makes sense really.

When I buy a top of the line race car, why do I get low grade oil then?

 

[pay2021]

If i can run those 2 cars with lap times of 1:04 within 0.2 seconds of each other, then that is similar. 5 to 10 HP or 5 to 10 KG does NOT make that much of a difference.

If the game/simulator its good, YES its make a lot of diference, 0.001 s to 0.002 s its a lot of diference.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Having to change oil on a car you just bought or won is a pain in the butt, sure but at least you get to watch "Slurpy" the oil change dude doing his party trick of swallowing the dirty oil, right out the sump, cleaning it with his amazing duodenum of oil filtration before spitting it back in clean.

Cracks me up every time!