F1 2010 Patch Thread (All Formats)

[icelt]

So as most of us have assuredly seen already Codies has officially confirmed a patch is forthcoming:

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/f1-2010-game-1316/432050-f1-2010-patch-news.html

Caldera
Community Representative

Default F1 2010 Patch News
Hi everyone.

We can confirm that we intend to create and release a patch for F1 2010.

This thread will be updated with information as we move through development, testing and release. It will take some time, and sometimes there will even be no news while work is going on, but we'll do our best to keep you as updated as we can. We do appreciate your patience - and your feedback to date.

Current Status:
The development team is currently investigating, going through feedback, and looking at reported issues.

Caldera.
(Locking this for ease of reading and clarity.)
Last edited by Caldera; 27-09-2010 at 05:55 PM.

We don't know for certain how long it will take and what they can/cannot (or will/will not) fix but it seems likely to be an interesting process. Therefore in my mind it seems reasonable to have a dedicated thread for tracking and discussing the patch as news and developments occur.

Also here is the link to the stickied thread for reporting bugs/glitches to CM for their consideration:
http://community.codemasters.com/fo...9298-unofficial-f1-2010-bugs-errors-list.html

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Update... 02-11-2010
http://community.codemasters.com/fo...2010-v1-01-patch-changelist-per-platform.html
Ian 'Helios' Webster
Community Manager

F1 2010 v1.01 patch changelist per platform

Xbox 360

• "Pit-in" OSD indicator now appears after the player is advised to pit to repair car damage

• A number of shadowing improvements have been added

• Amended the time trial penalty system so that only players cutting the final corner on certain tracks will have their subsequent lap times invalidated

• Balanced the effects of the drying line created by cars when in a wet race

• Balancing improvements have been made to AI drivers to prevent unexpected race results

• Corrected an issue AI cars would not attempt to move out of the player's way when under a blue flag on an in / out lap during practice and qualifying session

• Corrected an issue where ABS would become enabled when selecting to "drive out" out of the pit lane in a race weekend

• Corrected an issue where AI cars would fail to respond appropriately when cars were either side of them in a corner

• Corrected an issue where AI cars would not be required to pit in a mandatory pit race after the use of a flashback

• Corrected an issue where AI times were being reported incorrectly on the first lap

• Corrected an issue where AI were being disqualified during wet races in Montreal

• Corrected an issue where car driving style was defaulting to "Wet" in network sessions

• Corrected an issue where damage to AI cars was being inconsistently applied

• Corrected an issue where disqualified AI cars would cause network races to end prematurely

• Corrected an issue where disqualified drivers were displayed in the incorrect order in the online race results screen

• Corrected an issue where flashback would become disabled after resetting to track

• Corrected an issue where incorrect race positions were reported in a network race after terminal damage had occurred

• Corrected an issue where lap and split times would be displayed incorrectly after flashing back to before the start/finish line

• Corrected an issue where pit engineer would fail to remind you to pit on mandatory pit stop races

• Improvements have been made to the pitting process to prevent the player getting stuck.

• Corrected an issue where positions of AI cars in a network race would be incorrectly displayed after a player quit the session

• Corrected an issue where punctured tyres would be carried across to subsequent sessions in a race weekend

• Corrected an issue where race strategy would fail to update correctly after the player manually selected a different starting tyre choice

• Corrected an issue where research path choice was not being carried over to subsequent season

• Corrected an issue where save data is reported corrupted

• Corrected an issue where sessions in progress would appear on the server list after quitting a network session

• Corrected an issue where some AI cars using a single-stop strategy would not pit during a mandatory pit stop race

• Corrected an issue where the dynamic racing line would not display correctly if the grip conditions changed

• Corrected an issue where the incorrect car name could be displayed above cars in the Grand Prix menu after completing a Time Trial race

• Corrected an issue where the player is told to copy their team mate's car setup

• Corrected an issue where the player was able to pass through other cars after restarting a session

• Corrected an issue where yellow flags would continue to be displayed for cars that had been removed from the race in network sessions

• Corrected an issue where user would be penalised for overtaking pitted AI cars when under yellow flag

• Made penalties less likely to be awarded after spinning out on the track

• OSD now displays time gap between cars on the sector and lap split times

• Reduced the frequency of penalty warnings given for minor collisions

• Reduced the frequency of punctures received from standard tyre wear

• Sector times for the car on pole position is now shown in the split times on the OSD

• Tuned the grip properties of the tyre compounds in different weather conditions

• Corrected an issue where a Fanatec wheel would exhibit weak force feedback if the console was turned on using the wheel's Xbox button

• Progress data for some of the achievements will no longer be lost when exiting a race in-between sessions and re-launching the title

PS3

• "Pit-in" OSD indicator now appears after the player is advised to pit to repair car damage

• A number of shadowing improvements have been added

• Amended the time trial penalty system so that only players cutting the final corner on certain tracks will have their subsequent lap times invalidated

• Balanced the effects of the drying line created by cars when in a wet race

• Balancing improvements have been made to AI drivers to prevent unexpected race results

• Corrected an issue AI cars would not attempt to move out of the player's way when under a blue flag on an in / out lap during practice and qualifying session

• Corrected an issue where ABS would become enabled when selecting to "drive out" out of the pit lane in a race weekend

• Corrected an issue where AI cars would fail to respond appropriately when cars were either side of them in a corner

• Corrected an issue where AI cars would not be required to pit in a mandatory pit race after the use of a flashback

• Corrected an issue where AI times were being reported incorrectly on the first lap

• Corrected an issue where AI were being disqualified during wet races in Montreal

• Corrected an issue where car driving style was defaulting to "Wet" in network sessions

• Corrected an issue where damage to AI cars was being inconsistently applied

• Corrected an issue where disqualified AI cars would cause network races to end prematurely

• Corrected an issue where disqualified drivers were displayed in the incorrect order in the online race results screen

• Corrected an issue where flashback would become disabled after resetting to track

• Corrected an issue where incorrect race positions were reported in a network race after terminal damage had occurred

• Corrected an issue where lap and split times would be displayed incorrectly after flashing back to before the start/finish line

• Corrected an issue where pit engineer would fail to remind you to pit on mandatory pit stop races

• Improvements have been made to the pitting process to prevent the player getting stuck.

• Corrected an issue where positions of AI cars in a network race would be incorrectly displayed after a player quit the session

• Corrected an issue where punctured tyres would be carried across to subsequent sessions in a race weekend

• Corrected an issue where race strategy would fail to update correctly after the player manually selected a different starting tyre choice

• Corrected an issue where research path choice was not being carried over to subsequent season

• Corrected an issue where save data is reported corrupted

• Corrected an issue where sessions in progress would appear on the server list after quitting a network session

• Corrected an issue where some AI cars using a single-stop strategy would not pit during a mandatory pit stop race

• Corrected an issue where the dynamic racing line would not display correctly if the grip conditions changed

• Corrected an issue where the incorrect car name could be displayed above cars in the Grand Prix menu after completing a Time Trial race

• Corrected an issue where the player is told to copy their team mate's car setup

• Corrected an issue where the player was able to pass through other cars after restarting a session

• Corrected an issue where yellow flags would continue to be displayed for cars that had been removed from the race in network sessions

• Corrected an issue where user would be penalised for overtaking pitted AI cars when under yellow flag

• Made penalties less likely to be awarded after spinning out on the track

• OSD now displays time gap between cars on the sector and lap split times

• Reduced the frequency of penalty warnings given for minor collisions

• Reduced the frequency of punctures received from standard tyre wear

• Sector times for the car on pole position is now shown in the split times on the OSD

• Tuned the grip properties of the tyre compounds in different weather conditions

• A number of localisation issues have been resolved.

• Added additional Force Feedback data for supported devices

• Added support for Fanatec steering wheels

• Added support for Thrustmaster steering wheels

• Corrected an issue where force feedback would remain applied when restarting a session with full wheel lock used

• Progress data for some of the trophies will no longer be lost when exiting a race in-between sessions and re-launching the title

PC

• "Pit-in" OSD indicator now appears after the player is advised to pit to repair car damage

• A number of shadowing improvements have been added

• Amended the time trial penalty system so that only players cutting the final corner on certain tracks will have their subsequent lap times
invalidated

• Balanced the effects of the drying line created by cars when in a wet race

• Balancing improvements have been made to AI drivers to prevent unexpected race results

• Corrected an issue AI cars would not attempt to move out of the player's way when under a blue flag on an in / out lap during practice and qualifying session

• Corrected an issue where ABS would become enabled when selecting to "drive out" out of the pit lane in a race weekend

• Corrected an issue where AI cars would fail to respond appropriately when cars were either side of them in a corner

• Corrected an issue where AI cars would not be required to pit in a mandatory pit race after the use of a flashback

• Corrected an issue where AI times were being reported incorrectly on the first lap

• Corrected an issue where AI were being disqualified during wet races in Montreal

• Corrected an issue where car driving style was defaulting to "Wet" in network sessions

• Corrected an issue where damage to AI cars was being inconsistently applied

• Corrected an issue where disqualified AI cars would cause network races to end prematurely

• Corrected an issue where disqualified drivers were displayed in the incorrect order in the online race results screen

• Corrected an issue where flashback would become disabled after resetting to track

• Corrected an issue where incorrect race positions were reported in a network race after terminal damage had occurred

• Corrected an issue where lap and split times would be displayed incorrectly after flashing back to before the start/finish line

• Corrected an issue where pit engineer would fail to remind you to pit on mandatory pit stop races

• Improvements have been made to the pitting process to prevent the player getting stuck.

• Corrected an issue where positions of AI cars in a network race would be incorrectly displayed after a player quit the session

• Corrected an issue where punctured tyres would be carried across to subsequent sessions in a race weekend

• Corrected an issue where race strategy would fail to update correctly after the player manually selected a different starting tyre choice

• Corrected an issue where research path choice was not being carried over to subsequent season

• Corrected an issue where save data is reported corrupted

• Corrected an issue where sessions in progress would appear on the server list after quitting a network session

• Corrected an issue where some AI cars using a single-stop strategy would not pit during a mandatory pit stop race

• Corrected an issue where the dynamic racing line would not display correctly if the grip conditions changed

• Corrected an issue where the incorrect car name could be displayed above cars in the Grand Prix menu after completing a Time Trial race

• Corrected an issue where the player is told to copy their team mate's car setup

• Corrected an issue where the player was able to pass through other cars after restarting a session

• Corrected an issue where yellow flags would continue to be displayed for cars that had been removed from the race in network sessions

• Corrected an issue where user would be penalised for overtaking pitted AI cars when under yellow flag

• Made penalties less likely to be awarded after spinning out on the track

• OSD now displays time gap between cars on the sector and lap split times

• Reduced the frequency of penalty warnings given for minor collisions

• Reduced the frequency of punctures received from standard tyre wear

• Sector times for the car on pole position is now shown in the split times on the OSD

• Tuned the grip properties of the tyre compounds in different weather conditions

• A number of localisation issues have been resolved.

• Added benchmark mode from graphics menu

• Added native support for the “Leo Bodnar SLI-Pro steering wheel controller” circuit board

• Added support for AMD Eyefinity / Nvidia surround multiple monitor modes

• Added support for crossfire / SLI and multicore GPUs.

• Added support for DirectX 11

• Added support for Intel SandyBridge processor and graphics

• Added support for the Thrustmaster GT Experience steering wheel

• Additional (D-Box) motion platform support during pit stops

• AI cars now correctly reduce speed when damaged

• Changed default laps of fuel in practice and qualifying sessions to 10 and 5 respectively

• Corrected an issue where (D-Box) motion platform would stop functioning after using a flashback

• Corrected an issue where drivers of ghost cars became solid at certain camera angles

• Corrected an issue where force feedback would remain applied when restarting a session with full wheel lock used

• Corrected an issue where the driver head would bob extremely violently on certain machines

• Enabled access to the Advanced Wheel Options for all users

• The replay file can now be saved as an external file and played back within the game

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Update... 26-10-2010
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/f1-2010-game-1316/432050-f1-2010-patch-news.html#post6666905

Ian 'Helios' Webster
Community Manager

Update: The team have been hard at work and as a result we have now completed all internal testing on the patch.

The patch is now in submission with Microsoft and Sony for all 3 platforms, and once this process has been successfully completed the patch will be released, ready for you to download. Keep an eye out on the forums, facebook, and twitter, as we’ll let you know as soon as it’s ready to download.

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Update... 18-10-2010
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/f1-2010-game-1316/432050-f1-2010-patch-news.html#post6638431

Ian 'Helios' Webster
Community Manager

Hi everyone,

It’s been a while since we last updated on the forthcoming F1 2010 patch so here is where things are at currently…

The team are hard at work, and have been since launch, building the patch. We’ve focussed on both fixes to the game and a number of gameplay improvements based on your feedback. Once the process has finished, we can then release the patch for submission which will take an additional couple of weeks until it is available for release. Here is a quick overview of the main issues which we’re addressing:


1. Corrupt Save Games - We have identified an over-zealous anti-cheating check that manifested as falsely identified corrupt saves, specifically the ones relating to practice and R&D upgrades, the save-games should now load without issue. However if any of you are experiencing corrupt saves outside of this then please continue to send your PS3 save game files to us (Xbox360 & PC saves aren’t of any use to us) and we can test these against the latest patch to see whether all instances of this issue have now been fixed

2. AI not pitting in dry races where a mandatory pit stop was required (20% or more) – This has been fixed.

3. Player held in pit-stop too long – We’ve improved exit logic so that it isn’t too cautious in holding players during a pit-stop.

4. Puncture frequency reduced – The likelihood of players suffering punctures has been reduced.

5. Pit-stop lock-ups - Fixed several instances which caused the pit crew to lock-up and not be able to service the cars.

6. Automatically updating race strategy – Selecting prime tyres from the tyre menu (over default option) now updates the strategy so that the pit-crew assign options during the pit stop as opposed to re-attaching another set of primes (in a dry race of 20% or more).

7. First lap calculates correctly – The lap time for the first lap of the race now calculates correctly, from the lights going out as opposed to the cars crossing the start line.


In addition to these fixes we’ve also made improvements to the game based on your forum feedback:-


1. OSD changes – showing split times rather than gap to leader – We’ve changed how the OSD timing information functions so that split times are now displayed on the OSD, showing race time and race time differences to the other cars – I.e. how far ahead/behind are at a sector boundary.

2. AI affected more by damage received – Damage sustained by an AI’s car will have a greater effect their handling characteristics, effectively slowing damaged AI down more. AI cars that cannot maintain a racing speed will naturally yield to faster cars & come into the pits for repairs. As before, If they receive too much damage, they will retire from the race.

3. AI yielding to other cars when not on flying lap in qualifying - Improved AI behaviour to move off the racing line or out of the player’s way when the player is on a flying lap.

4. Increased wheel support – Increased wheel support and force feedback tweaks (where applicable) for the following wheels; Thrustmaster Ferrari F430 Force Feedback (officially supported), Thrustmaster Ferrari GT Experience (officially supported), Thrustmaster RGT Force Feedback Pro Clutch (not officially supported but will work), Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S & GT3 RS2 (both officially supported).

5. Wet weather improvements - Rebalanced graphical and handling effect of cars driving on a wet track - the level of wetness has been increased as well as tyre trails being made more prominent.

6. Improved Damage Modelling – Tweaks to the damage system so that more damage is visible / received during lesser impacts.

7. Next lap invalidated time trial logic - In time trial the next lap is no longer invalidated for any offence committed in the 3rd sector. It is calculated per track and is predominantly based on the final corner.

8. AI: Driver Behaviours - Addressed some issues in driver behaviour balancing that were causing occasionally unrealistic finishing positions.



There have also been several PC specific improvements as well:-


1. PC 'replay saving' and playback – You will be able to save out the files to replay them later or share them with others.

2. DX11 – The F1 2010 patch will enable the game to run on DX11. All of the graphical improvements are configurable from graphical options when in DX11. Specifically, "ultra" settings for 'shadows' and 'postprocess'. (These options require a lot of processing power, and are only recommended for high-end graphics cards.

3. Eyefinity Support – F1 2010 now supports 3 x 1 or 3 x 2 monitor display setups (minimum requirement of 3 x monitors)

4. Optimisations – We have made better use of multi-core processors in general, which will lead to better framerates on higher end machines.

5. Additional Support - Support for SandyBridge processors, which also adds support for currently available 'modern' processors, like Core i7, which wasn't correctly detected previously.


This list is not exhaustive of the issues being addressed in the patch but a snap shot of the key improvements. Please keep your feedback coming though as it is invaluable both for the work on the patch and for the design of F1 2011.

Once the patch goes into submission, we’ll try to give you guys a heads up as to when it will be live and ready to download as soon as we know.

Thanks for your continued support & feedback.

The F1 2010 Development Team.

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Update... 05-10-2010
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/f1-2010-game-1316/432050-f1-2010-patch-news.html

05-10-2010, 10:21 AM
Caldera
Community Representative

Update: The team have been working through a masterlist of issues, and are making good progress. Various issues have been through the preliminary testing process, and once the patch is complete a build will go in for siginificant testing time.

As soon as I have more news, it'll get posted here.

Caldera.

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Update... 27-09-2010
CM recommendation to work around/with the "save data corruption" bug.

http://community.codemasters.com/fo...orrupted-saved-game-potential-workaround.html

Corrupted Saved Game - Potential Workaround

Caldera
Community Representative

Hi everyone, I'm updating this thread with a potential workaround:

I can confirm that this issue is with development, will be addressed in the patch, and we'd like you to try the following workaround:

After a practice session where you complete an R&D objective and unlock a new upgrade make sure you then load in to the following qualifying session before exiting the game.

And also, as our technical support FAQ now says:

We believe this only occurs if, after completing an R&D objective, you...
- Retire to the paddock via the Engineer (in the garage).
- Terminally damage your car and select retire to paddock.
- Get disqualified and select retire to paddock.

As long as you progress to the qualifying session before quitting the game this problem will not occur.

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Update... 30-09-2010

Caution, there are no sources quoted in the following information. See follow up post for the Official CM Response.

“F1 2010″: PC review, the ‘fake AI’ controversy and details on the first patch

“F1 2010″: The first patch

Interestingly, Codemasters referred to the forthcoming update as the “first” patch, suggesting there are more in the pipeline.

Among the changes in the first patch are various modifications to the artificial intelligence of rival cars.

These are likely to include changes to the racing lines, such as the problem with turn 19 at Valencia which was noted in the review. The team say they have a “list of corners” where the rival cars are too slow.

Improvements to the rival cars’ behaviour in the pits are expected – including fixing one bug where rival drivers fail to pit and another where the player’s car is held in the pits too long.

Codemasters added the time spent working on patching “F1 2010″ will not affect the time spent developing next year’s version of the game.

Full details on the patch for “F1 2010″ are expected later today and will be posted here.

Official CM AI Issues Response

Caldera
Community Representative

Hi everyone.

As you are aware work is on-going towards a patch for the game, and we will release details on this as we move through the patch creation process. Your constructive feedback has been invaluable in helping us both identify and work to resolve issues with the game, and we appreciate your detailed posts.

Some of the identified issues have led (understandably) to people making assumptions about the game that are not accurate, so we felt that in order to reassure you and explain better the process which we are going through at the moment, we’d address a few common queries, in particular relating to AI. In putting this post together, we spoke to various people from across the development team, including the leads and specialists who are working directly on addressing the issues that have been raised.

The AI system implemented in F1 2010 is very complex, and is certainly not scripted in any way. Every AI driver is trained with a series of race behaviours such as overtaking, defending a position and slipstreaming etc. On top of these behaviours we have a unique set of characteristics. These characteristics are defined per driver so you’ll notice some subtle differences. Some drivers are better at race starts or are better at overtaking (they look for narrower gaps), or are better in the rain, or are more aggressive, or are better around certain race tracks. We also have a system which can make certain drivers have a particularly good or bad race depending on a number of factors. All of this driver variance is of course combined with the cars themselves also having varying levels of performance.

It’s also important to note that in order to make the tracks as richly detailed as they are, we use far more textures than the consoles can physically hold. As with many games, we actively stream in and out textures based on the position of the player. This, plus the fact we don't simulate many visual effects on the far side of the track from the player - a "level of detail” system employed to save valuable processor time - would mean there would be a significant pop or delay if we were to allow you to switch cameras between drivers on track.

Practice & Qualifying AI
In practice & qualifying (P&Q) there are two fundamental issues which have meant that we had to make some implementation decisions for the AI in F1 2010. These two issues are our jump-to-sector feature and the fast-forward feature that is available on the car monitor in the garage.

The jump-to-sector feature necessarily simulates teleporting a car instantly to a position while the fast-forward feature allows the player to speed up time. The latter prevents us from simulating the actual AI travelling around the track 100% of the time as we cannot accurately simulate 24 cars where we have accelerated the passage of time by as much as a factor of 30. An F1 car can move at over 200mph. With 30 times speedup, we cannot simulate car physics at 6000+mph without losing some fidelity. F1 cars obviously cannot move this fast. We therefore implemented a system whereby the AI times in such circumstances are calculated based on a ‘football management” style simulation model. Using this model all of the race factors, such as the car, driver, weather, tyres, engine, track conditions, traffic are all taken into account and a lap time is produced. These generated times are well considered and guided by a huge amount of data; they are not randomly generated. Nevertheless they remain simulated approximations using this model.

For P&Q sessions we spent a long time experimenting with flipping back and forth between this simulated system and actual AI physical timing, as the fast-forward is engaged and disengaged, but it lead to the potential for subtle exploits which we were not comfortable with. Therefore all AI times in these P&Q sessions use this simulation method.

Race AI
As none of the above feature restrictions are relevant in the race itself, we DO NOT use any other systems in the race other than the AI cars all physically driving the race just as the player does. Other factors also contribute to the AI lap times and the variation in their race pace. These include race start behaviours, their ultimate race pace which takes into account elements such as fuel and tyre degradation, weather, conserving / cooling engines etc, their in and out laps in the pit stop phase and their finishing pace.

We have seen several email and forum threads which suggest that an AI car’s performance is determined by where they are positioned currently in the race, or where they are in relation to the player which absolutely isn’t the case.

Based on some of the feedback we’ve received we are looking into the variation of AI race pace, as well as working hard to address as many of the following issues as possible in the upcoming patch, which aren’t AI specific but are adding to the assumptions that we are using fake or scripted AI:

Pit Stop
Several pit stop issues have been reported;

* The AI not making a mandatory pit stop during a dry race of 20% or more
* The player being forced to wait in the pits before being released
* The player or AI cars becoming stuck in the pit lane
* The use of flashback breaking the AI pit strategies

We’re currently investigating each of these issues and recognise that these would have a significant impact on the way that the race pans out. As ever with fixing these issues it’s a case of finding out how to repeat the problem so that we can track the issues down and fix them.

Split times
A few of you have correctly spotted that the race leader isn’t always the quickest on the first lap of the race. This is an issue whereby the start line is resetting the AI lap timings rather than everyone’s time being taken from when the start lights go out, which of course should be the case on the first lap.

It’s important to also note that the lap times displayed on screen in F1 2010 are compared to the gap to the leader, rather than being split times to the car in front or behind. They are calculated on the time difference within sectors, on a lap by lap basis. For example, the players lap and individual split times on any given lap is compared to the race leader only.

Track reset
There are a few videos and threads where the AI have been seen to spin off and then teleport around the track. Again this isn’t an intentional component of the AI systems. We have a retrieval system that will reset cars to the track if they manage to get out of the world which is intended for use in a number of scenarios such as violent collisions. In these cases it appears that this retrieval system has fired off by mistake.

Race engineer speech
There are a few issues whereby the information which the race engineer is feeding you in relation to gaps to the car in front seems to be at odds with what is happening in the race. Again this isn’t tied into the AI at all. It’s purely speech logic and triggers.

Fuel simulation and tyre degradation
This has been implemented for both players and AI cars. We’ll investigate the drop offs and see if the numbers need tweaking as part of the patch.

As ever your feedback really helps us track down these issues so many thanks to everyone who has taken the time to post up as many details as you have. We have already made significant advances against some of the issues thanks to those of you who have contributed a clear and comprehensive account of problems. We will let you know the full details of what the patch will include and when you can expect it as soon as possible.

Rest assured that we do read the forums and your feedback is extremely important to us.

Last edited by Caldera; 30-09-2010 at 04:53 PM. Reason: (Stickied and Locked for clarity. Please discuss in other threads.)

 

[Shaggy Alonso]

I really hope they sort most of these issues out because they're kind of killing the fun for me. I can't help but feel that half of what i'm doing in the game may count for nothing because of all the bugs judging by what i've read over at the CM forums.

 

[icelt]

Well I haven't completed one Career race yet, so I haven't had the mis-fortune of having a result ruined somehow. Understandably after reading about all the bugs/issues many people are reporting I am much more nervous about starting my career now than I was after first unwrapping the game. Not to mention the potential aggravation of the "corrupted save file" concern. Yikes if that one is indeed true .

 

[Terronium-12]

Well I haven't completed one Career race yet, so I haven't had the mis-fortune of having a result ruined somehow. Understandably after reading about all the bugs/issues many people are reporting I am much more nervous about starting my career now than I was after first unwrapping the game. Not to mention the potential aggravation of the "corrupted save file" concern. Yikes if that one is indeed true .

An easy way around that is to backup your savegame after every session to a memory card or flash drive.

 

[icelt]

An easy way around that is to backup your savegame after every session to a memory card or flash drive.

Thanks for the reminder. I had thought the 360 file format was proprietary and that save data could not be individually backed up, only moved whole sale from one device to another. Now that I double checked I was able to successfully backup/copy my F1 save data to a USB drive.

Now on topic, if the corrupt save game bug is as reported it is still a nasty one.

 

[Kylehnat]

Well I haven't completed one Career race yet, so I haven't had the mis-fortune of having a result ruined somehow.

F1 2010 is completely realistic in this regard. Many times in the last few years, a driver finished 4th or 5th, only to find out three days later that he actually finished 12th.

 

[Majarvis]

This game doesn't need a patch, it needs a complete code re-write.

Let's face it, everyone, we've all basically paid to beta test a game. Maybe F1 2011 will be what F1 2010 should have been; tested.

 

[nasanu]

Game crippling bugs are becoming the norm unfortunately. I bought Fifa 10 only to find out that Manager Mode had over 50 confirmed bugs, a half dozen of them bad enough to make it unplayable. EA refused to patch it.

At least they are patching this game. Too late though, by the time it is out GT5 will be just around the corner and I'll never play this game again. Actually I just might trade it before that.

 

[seinfeld]

This is so sad, A game half done, That's what beta's are for, Instead now days they release the game hype it up. And in the end you find out its missing key things and buggy as hell!

 

[Southend Rage]

I liked the game anyway, but hey, Codies are a great Dev Team, instantly getting back to work to make their 'fans' happy again. (Many 'Fans' seemed to turn into Slave Labourers after the release)

But they are smart, so I'd expect them to do just enough, without changing the clever ways the game already works.

The are a profit based company afterall. Just like everyone else.

But their plans do work, afterall, I think they have the best looking Multiplatform games money can buy. IMO!

It could be worse. I think it could have hardly been better with all the content and work they've had to work on to please FIA / Bernie.
(In time constraints they might not have been happy with themselves!)

It's still the best F1 game EVER. For the general audience anyway.
Too many Hardcores over analyse things, creating problems that don't really exist. So many misunderstandings.

 

[EmArA]

I liked the game anyway, but hey, Codies are a great Dev Team, instantly getting back to work to make their 'fans' happy again. (Many 'Fans' seemed to turn into Slave Labourers after the release)

But they are smart, so I'd expect them to do just enough, without changing the clever ways the game already works.

The are a profit based company afterall. Just like everyone else.

But their plans do work, afterall, I think they have the best looking Multiplatform games money can buy. IMO!

It could be worse. I think it could have hardly been better with all the content and work they've had to work on to please FIA / Bernie.
(In time constraints they might not have been happy with themselves!)

It's still the best F1 game EVER. For the general audience anyway.
Too many Hardcores over analyse things, creating problems that don't really exist. So many misunderstandings.

+1 totally agree with you 👍

I think they did quite a good job with this game, and it is a lot of fun
I still haven't noticed any bugs yet. but here is a fact, bugs are discovered by us (i.e fans, gamers, customers, beta testers...etc *you name it) so patches are needed to make the SW better. Why do all companies release SW patches ? 💡
Anyways, love the tracks especially, Singapore, Korea, Valencia, Abu Dhabi and the graphics.

Cheers

 

[sems4arsenal]

They had a certain release date that they had to stick to (can't afford to be so close to GT5)so all they can do now is patch it bit my bit which is professional from them to listen to the fans.

 

[Terronium-12]

This game doesn't need a patch, it needs a complete code re-write.

Let's face it, everyone, we've all basically paid to beta test a game. Maybe F1 2011 will be what F1 2010 should have been; tested.

Yeah. See, the problem with that is it's called DirectX 11 and that introduces an entirely new set of problems in it's current state. What was your point again?

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Well I haven't completed one Career race yet, so I haven't had the mis-fortune of having a result ruined somehow. Understandably after reading about all the bugs/issues many people are reporting I am much more nervous about starting my career now than I was after first unwrapping the game. Not to mention the potential aggravation of the "corrupted save file" concern. Yikes if that one is indeed true .

And you can always re-start your F1 Career if you want.

I like the game and especially the online custom races 👍

 

[Majarvis]

Yeah. See, the problem with that is it's called DirectX 11 and that introduces an entirely new set of problems in it's current state. What was your point again?

DirectX 11 has nothing to do with my point. What was your point, again?

 

[icelt]

And you can always re-start your F1 Career if you want.

If, for example, I'm 5 years into my career racing 100% distance and through much effort have worked my way up to Renault, let's say. Then thanks to placing 3rd in the WDC with them at the end of the year I finally get my dream ride, for sake of discussion, with McClaren. Now that I'm all full of pride and accomplishment for attaining my goal and geek'd to destroy the competition in S6. Alas at the first race I fall prey to the "save data corrupted" bug. Now given that scenario how is the response, "you can always re-start your F1 career if you want" going to do anything other than send me right over the edge?

 

[Terronium-12]

DirectX 11 has nothing to do with my point. What was your point, again?

You're right.

At this point, aren't you (still) complaining about a game that you've sold?

 

[Majarvis]

You're right.

At this point, aren't you (still) complaining about a game that you've sold?

Returned.

Are going to continue being an immature troll? Yes? Good for you, Sally.

 

[Terronium-12]

Returned.

Are going to continue being an immature troll? Yes? Good for you, Sally.

How about looking that word up the next time you use it? Reply to this, don't reply to this...doesn't really matter, you'll just be talking to yourself.

 

[icelt]

FYI... added this info to the 1st post.

CM recommendation to work around/with the "save data corruption" bug.

http://community.codemasters.com/fo...orrupted-saved-game-potential-workaround.html

Corrupted Saved Game - Potential Workaround

Caldera
Community Representative

Hi everyone, I'm updating this thread with a potential workaround:

I can confirm that this issue is with development, will be addressed in the patch, and we'd like you to try the following workaround:

After a practice session where you complete an R&D objective and unlock a new upgrade make sure you then load in to the following qualifying session before exiting the game.

And also, as our technical support FAQ now says:

We believe this only occurs if, after completing an R&D objective, you...
- Retire to the paddock via the Engineer (in the garage).
- Terminally damage your car and select retire to paddock.
- Get disqualified and select retire to paddock.

As long as you progress to the qualifying session before quitting the game this problem will not occur.

 

[gman1647]

FYI... added this info to the 1st post.

CM recommendation to work around/with the "save data corruption" bug.

http://community.codemasters.com/fo...orrupted-saved-game-potential-workaround.html

Corrupted Saved Game - Potential Workaround

what if the R&D test is in P1? Must I do P2 and P3 and proceed to quali before I quit out?

 

[Terronium-12]

what if the R&D test is in P1? Must I do P2 and P3 and proceed to quali before I quit out?

No. Just skip over to the qualifying session, and then quit.

 

[icelt]

Some good related insights from:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk

“F1 2010″: PC review, the ‘fake AI’ controversy and details on the first patch

“F1 2010″ for PC

The PC version of “F1 2010″ is pretty much a straight port of the console version of the game.

At present the game only supports older generation DirectX 9 graphics cards which mimic the capabilities of the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

However Codemaster say the advanced capabilities of DirectX 11 graphics cards will be exploited in future patches – though not the first one. This will mean players of the PC version will eventually be able to enjoy a better-looking version of the game.

Already some enthusiastic PC game-players have enabled some DirectX modes by hacking their copies of the game. However this also causes some graphical glitches so it’s best to be patient and wait for the official patch.

This being a PC version you can play it on the keyboard if you really want to, though it’s even more frustrating than using a gamepad. You can customise controls to your heart’s content and fine-tune a steering wheel and pedals if you have one.

Beyond that, the PC version plays as well as the console versions and gets the same score. If you’re playing the PC version, look me up on Games for Windows Live using the user name ‘keithcollantine’. See here for a list of other F1 Fanatic Users’ Gamertags for all three formats.

The “fake AI” controversy

Some “F1 2010″ players have voiced concerns that, because rival cars away from the player cannot be viewed in replay mode, they aren’t actually there, and the player is in fact racing phantom cars. Discrepancies in lap times seem to support this view.

Codemasters say the AI is not ‘faked’ during races. They say the other cars are there, and the reason you cannot view them in replay mode is because cars out of your field of vision are being rendered at a much lower level of quality to allow the cars and the part of the track you can see to be shown at the highest possible quality level.

I can’t help but think that many PC players with graphical performance in their systems to spare will be disappointed that compromise was made.

However Codemasters confirmed that during the practice and qualifying sessions the other cars aren’t on the track when you can’t see them.

They say this is because of the desire to have a “fast forward” button allowing you to skip through the session quickly. As that creates the impression of accelerating time up to 30-fold, the complexities involved in having the cars lapping at over 6,000mph were too great to overcome.

“F1 2010″: The first patch

Interestingly, Codemasters referred to the forthcoming update as the “first” patch, suggesting there are more in the pipeline.

Among the changes in the first patch are various modifications to the artificial intelligence of rival cars.

These are likely to include changes to the racing lines, such as the problem with turn 19 at Valencia which was noted in the review. The team say they have a “list of corners” where the rival cars are too slow.

Improvements to the rival cars’ behaviour in the pits are expected – including fixing one bug where rival drivers fail to pit and another where the player’s car is held in the pits too long.

Codemasters added the time spent working on patching “F1 2010″ will not affect the time spent developing next year’s version of the game.

Full details on the patch for “F1 2010″ are expected later today and will be posted here.

 

[Sureboss]

Moving quickly, good stuff.

 

[icelt]

Now there are patcheS... if actually true I like the sound of that. Good to know they are apparently acknowledging a number of issues exist in the retail code and they are dedicating themselves to addressing more than just the worst of the lot.

Fingers crossed .

 

[icelt]

Official CM AI Issues Response

Caldera
Community Representative

Hi everyone.

As you are aware work is on-going towards a patch for the game, and we will release details on this as we move through the patch creation process. Your constructive feedback has been invaluable in helping us both identify and work to resolve issues with the game, and we appreciate your detailed posts.

Some of the identified issues have led (understandably) to people making assumptions about the game that are not accurate, so we felt that in order to reassure you and explain better the process which we are going through at the moment, we’d address a few common queries, in particular relating to AI. In putting this post together, we spoke to various people from across the development team, including the leads and specialists who are working directly on addressing the issues that have been raised.

The AI system implemented in F1 2010 is very complex, and is certainly not scripted in any way. Every AI driver is trained with a series of race behaviours such as overtaking, defending a position and slipstreaming etc. On top of these behaviours we have a unique set of characteristics. These characteristics are defined per driver so you’ll notice some subtle differences. Some drivers are better at race starts or are better at overtaking (they look for narrower gaps), or are better in the rain, or are more aggressive, or are better around certain race tracks. We also have a system which can make certain drivers have a particularly good or bad race depending on a number of factors. All of this driver variance is of course combined with the cars themselves also having varying levels of performance.

It’s also important to note that in order to make the tracks as richly detailed as they are, we use far more textures than the consoles can physically hold. As with many games, we actively stream in and out textures based on the position of the player. This, plus the fact we don't simulate many visual effects on the far side of the track from the player - a "level of detail” system employed to save valuable processor time - would mean there would be a significant pop or delay if we were to allow you to switch cameras between drivers on track.

Practice & Qualifying AI
In practice & qualifying (P&Q) there are two fundamental issues which have meant that we had to make some implementation decisions for the AI in F1 2010. These two issues are our jump-to-sector feature and the fast-forward feature that is available on the car monitor in the garage.

The jump-to-sector feature necessarily simulates teleporting a car instantly to a position while the fast-forward feature allows the player to speed up time. The latter prevents us from simulating the actual AI travelling around the track 100% of the time as we cannot accurately simulate 24 cars where we have accelerated the passage of time by as much as a factor of 30. An F1 car can move at over 200mph. With 30 times speedup, we cannot simulate car physics at 6000+mph without losing some fidelity. F1 cars obviously cannot move this fast. We therefore implemented a system whereby the AI times in such circumstances are calculated based on a ‘football management” style simulation model. Using this model all of the race factors, such as the car, driver, weather, tyres, engine, track conditions, traffic are all taken into account and a lap time is produced. These generated times are well considered and guided by a huge amount of data; they are not randomly generated. Nevertheless they remain simulated approximations using this model.

For P&Q sessions we spent a long time experimenting with flipping back and forth between this simulated system and actual AI physical timing, as the fast-forward is engaged and disengaged, but it lead to the potential for subtle exploits which we were not comfortable with. Therefore all AI times in these P&Q sessions use this simulation method.

Race AI
As none of the above feature restrictions are relevant in the race itself, we DO NOT use any other systems in the race other than the AI cars all physically driving the race just as the player does. Other factors also contribute to the AI lap times and the variation in their race pace. These include race start behaviours, their ultimate race pace which takes into account elements such as fuel and tyre degradation, weather, conserving / cooling engines etc, their in and out laps in the pit stop phase and their finishing pace.

We have seen several email and forum threads which suggest that an AI car’s performance is determined by where they are positioned currently in the race, or where they are in relation to the player which absolutely isn’t the case.

Based on some of the feedback we’ve received we are looking into the variation of AI race pace, as well as working hard to address as many of the following issues as possible in the upcoming patch, which aren’t AI specific but are adding to the assumptions that we are using fake or scripted AI:

Pit Stop
Several pit stop issues have been reported;

* The AI not making a mandatory pit stop during a dry race of 20% or more
* The player being forced to wait in the pits before being released
* The player or AI cars becoming stuck in the pit lane
* The use of flashback breaking the AI pit strategies

We’re currently investigating each of these issues and recognise that these would have a significant impact on the way that the race pans out. As ever with fixing these issues it’s a case of finding out how to repeat the problem so that we can track the issues down and fix them.

Split times
A few of you have correctly spotted that the race leader isn’t always the quickest on the first lap of the race. This is an issue whereby the start line is resetting the AI lap timings rather than everyone’s time being taken from when the start lights go out, which of course should be the case on the first lap.

It’s important to also note that the lap times displayed on screen in F1 2010 are compared to the gap to the leader, rather than being split times to the car in front or behind. They are calculated on the time difference within sectors, on a lap by lap basis. For example, the players lap and individual split times on any given lap is compared to the race leader only.

Track reset
There are a few videos and threads where the AI have been seen to spin off and then teleport around the track. Again this isn’t an intentional component of the AI systems. We have a retrieval system that will reset cars to the track if they manage to get out of the world which is intended for use in a number of scenarios such as violent collisions. In these cases it appears that this retrieval system has fired off by mistake.

Race engineer speech
There are a few issues whereby the information which the race engineer is feeding you in relation to gaps to the car in front seems to be at odds with what is happening in the race. Again this isn’t tied into the AI at all. It’s purely speech logic and triggers.

Fuel simulation and tyre degradation
This has been implemented for both players and AI cars. We’ll investigate the drop offs and see if the numbers need tweaking as part of the patch.

As ever your feedback really helps us track down these issues so many thanks to everyone who has taken the time to post up as many details as you have. We have already made significant advances against some of the issues thanks to those of you who have contributed a clear and comprehensive account of problems. We will let you know the full details of what the patch will include and when you can expect it as soon as possible.

Rest assured that we do read the forums and your feedback is extremely important to us.

Last edited by Caldera; 30-09-2010 at 04:53 PM. Reason: (Stickied and Locked for clarity. Please discuss in other threads.)

 

[BlacqueJacques]

I like how they are responding to identified issues 👍

 

[boxox]

I think it's a shame such a post is even necessary and I think what this mainly suggests is that racing game fans are becoming more and more retarded as time goes on. I practically expected the next complaint post to be something along the lines of "Proof of a fuel bug! I loaded up the models in 3dsmax and there are no fuel polygons in the fuel tank!". 99% of these people are absolutely crazy and simply have no idea how a computer game actually works. It's just crazy over there in the CM forum, it got past a point where they should have started VAC banning people long ago.

 

[Peter]

True, and the tons of individual threads, complaining about bugs. There's a bloody bug list thread at the top, they don't need numerous threads all complaining about the same bugs. They need to send Famine over there to clean up the trash.

 

[gman1647]

I haven't been effected by the bugs yet, except maybe the first lap fastest lap. I find CMs responses to make sense. It is cool that they are taking time to address the real issues. I pit one lap later, and haven't had the pit stop bug. After R&D I proceed to qualifying and then quit.

Very fun game, by the way.