F1 and fuel

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  1. andyparks

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    How much fuel do f1 cars have on board for the race and where's the fuel tank
     
  2. TenEightyOne

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    Maximum of 105kg. Tank is situated directly behind the driver and before the engine. Formula1.com.
     
  3. andyparks

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    How much in litres is that if it's over 100 litres there's know way it's got a 100 litre tank behind the driver

    Might be bad language

     
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  4. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    I'm confused what you're trying to get at. Why is it impossible?
     
  5. Famine

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    Fuel density for petrol is about 0.77kg/litre, so 105kg is about 140 litres.
    Why not?

    And you mean:
     
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  6. andyparks

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    There's no room to fit a 140 litre tank on a f1 car
     
  7. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    Yes there is, how is there not?
     
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  9. Famine

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    By definition that's patently wrong, because that's how big they are and they're definitely in there...


    However, if you want to think rationally about it, 140 litres, in a cube, would be 52cm x 52cm x 52cm. An F1 fuel tank isn't a cube though, it's more saddle-shaped, and looks like this:

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    (although that's a V8 era 165kg/210-litre tank)

    Each fuel cell is roughly 80cm wide (cars may not store fuel more than 400mm from the vehicle centreline), 50cm high and around 60cm long - that's more or less the same size as a central heating boiler.

    If it was homogenous, that would be enough for 240 litres, but it's shaped to go behind the driver's seat and around some other structures in the centre of the car, so the volume decreases a bit. Here it is in cross section, in situ:

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    You can also see some of the baffles in that image too.
     
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  10. Carbonox

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    I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned that the video that supposedly proves his point is basically flat earth nonsense...
     
  11. Liquid

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    Fuel, much like in the aviation industry, is measured in kilograms and not litres because a kilogram is a measure of the fuel's mass, which is absolute, whereas a litre is a measure of the fuel's volume, which can differ depending on temperature.

    Unless I'm very much mistaken...
     
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  12. daan

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    F1 cars are actually fueled by the hopes and dreams of butterflies.
     
  13. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    No you're right, cause aircraft performance doesn't deal with litres as you said for the reason specified.
     
  14. andyparks

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    How do they put over 100 liters of fuel in to this
     

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    You reread this thread to figure it out.
     
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  17. andyparks

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    No room for a tank like that in this photo I took off the TV
     

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    I posted this video but I'm in no mood to discuss whatever you want to prove. Only this, there is no conspiracy, there is no hidden technology in F1 cars. F1 cars use fuel and the fuel is stored. End of discussion.
     
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    You're a liar and earth is flat!




    :lol:
     
  20. twitcher

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    @andyparks, so are you implying that F1 cars don’t use fuel at all, that they run on a mystery fuel, or that they run on much much less fuel than indicated?

    In any case, why would this technology be limited to F1? Why would we not see it in Endurance Racing at Le Mans?

    Or do you think pit stops at Le Mans are just a show for the camera?



    Basically, you’ve proposed that the earth isn’t round, but you haven’t really offered an alternative shape that it could be.....
     
  21. daan

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    In the space between the driver and the engine that there is quite clearly room for in your picture.
     
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  22. TenEightyOne

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    That and the tears of very rich boys.
     
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  23. Famine

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    With a fuel pump.

    And this:

    Is in front of the cutaway in your shot, beneath the red bit of bodywork with the E on it. The blue straps in the picture are the top part of the driver's seat harness.


    Why are you still beating this drum anyway? It's bewildering.
     
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    That was the worst video I've ever watched. He pulled up a Formula E car and asked "Where do they put the fuel?"
     
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    Could someone please explain to me what is going on?!
     
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  28. jake2013guy

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    The video says that the intake of air is not to cool the engine but is actually the fuel. Saying it's impossible to fit 105kg of fuel into the fuel tank.
     
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    Just to check (as if I needed to) I downloaded a free F1 car model from The Interwebz and quickly kludged a fuel tank into it. Surprise surprise - it's quite easy to get 140,000 millilitres in behind the driver and in front of the engine. Took ten minutes but I bet a professional F1 design engineer would take longer... and do a far neater job :D

    Interestingly the base width is less than the permitted 800mm so there's room for expansion.

    @andyparks you could try this for yourself with a basic schematic and a calculator.

    F1Tank2.JPG F1Tank1.JPG F1Tank3.jpg
     
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    Wow that video is something else!

    My favourite part was when he asked were the fuel tank was and then pointed to a picture of a Formula E car :lol:
     
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