F12007 or F10?

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slicecom
Interesting.. Looks like the F2007 is the better car in game, when in real life the story is quite the opposite. 👎
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Why are you so insistent that the F10 is faster? Have you looked at the data?

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2007/
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/

I was waiting until leaderboards were introduced today to decide if I wanted the F2007 (to try for records if the grouping is all F1 cars) or the F10 (which I'd rather have, but is kind of pointless without its own leaderboard). Now I don't know what to do. :(


Edit: There will probably be somewhere that F10 people could make up their own leaderboards, right? Maybe it's dumb to pick a car I don't want as much just for online leaderboards that I won't be near the top of anyway.
 
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Radic
Have any of you considered that maybe Ferrari isn't that talkative about the weight of their most prized racecars? I mean sure you can find info about them on the internet, but I don't know anyone at Ferrari nor have I read the FIA rules for F1, so I can't say for sure how much the f2007 or the f10 weighs, so maybe PD made an educated guess on that part.
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But anyone that knows ANYTHING about F1 regs knows that in 2007 the minimum weight allowed at any point during the race was 605kg. And of course Ferrari would be as close to that as possible. PD make a booboo. And they made one on the power output too (it's around the 680BHP mark in the game...and I know that is about 70BHP down from my inside contacts in the F1 industry).
 
the hp amounts might be the correct amounts once break in is finished.

my F2007 is 710 hp now and my F10 is 716 hp, neither one are fully broken in yet and they both are still gaining power.
 
I just traded my old FGT for an F10. Pretty sweet little car, but much less power and acceleration that the FGT.
 
All the F1 cars are amazing, in the real world the F10 has slicks and the F2007 had grooved tyres, that would make a big difference. The fastest F1 car is actually the Red Bull RB6, it beat many of the F2004 records this year, that alone shows the amazing development of aerodynamics and technology on the cars, but obviously the slick tyres played a big part in this. I've not driven either in game yet, though i do have the FGT which is to be honest a piece of crap.
 
Bigbazz
though i do have the FGT which is to be honest a piece of crap.
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i used to always feel that way too, but these days i have grown to be quite fond of the fgt. a little suspension tuning goes a loooong way, see tuning section if interested. still, it is VERY unforgiving of mistakes. put a tire off the track in the fgt and forgetaboutit you are gone...

on fuji which has some very very difficult turns and elevatin changes, i was astounded to find that i could not match my fgt lap times with either the f2007 or the f10 despite the fact that the ferrari cars have superior cornering. fgt was just too darn fast...it's a beast...will exceet 200 mph in several sections of that track.

however, it is almost impossible to navigate the nurburgring in the fgt, while it can be done fairly easily with the ferrari cars. the fgt just won't change directions quickly enough when you have the hammer down!
 
Apollo33
Why are you so insistent that the F10 is faster? Have you looked at the data?

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2007/
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/
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Because it IS faster. Why would you compare 2010 race lengths to 2007's? Things like cautions, Safety Cars and weather conditions skew the times. If you look at the fastest laps of the F2007 on the tracks that were also run by the F10, it's slower.

Why are you in denial that the F2007 is slower (in real life, not in the game)?

EDIT: I'm bored and feel like proving you wrong with the raw data directly off the official formula1.com website so here goes:


Australia
Kimi Räikkönen
Ferrari F2007
1:25.644

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:24.111

-1.533



Spain
Felipe Massa
Ferrari F2007
1:20.597

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:20.937

+0.340



Monaco
Felipe Massa
Ferrari F2007
1:15.967

Felipe Massa
Ferrari F10
1:14.283

-1.684



Turkey
Felipe Massa
Ferrari F2007
1:27.039

Felipe Massa
Ferrari F10
1:27.082

+0.043



Canada
Kimi Räikkönen
Ferrari F2007
1:16.411

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:15.435

-0.976



Hungary
Kimi Räikkönen
Ferrari F2007
1:20.107

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:19.987

-.120



Italy
Felipe Massa
Ferrari F2007
1:21.993

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:21.962

-0.031



China
Kimi Räikkönen
Ferrari F2007
1:35.381

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:34.913

-0.468


So, in the 8 weekends where rain wasn't a factor in either year, and the track configurations were identical, the F10 was a total 4.429 seconds faster than the F2007. That averages out to over half a second faster per lap per track, which is a HUGE difference in F1. Do you believe me now?
 
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consider f10 has a tank capacity almost 2 times bigger than f2007 (240 liters I think), it is indeed heavier if fill up with fuel. However, when approach to the end of the each race it would be able to produce faster lap time as it has less fuel. In the game, especially time trial mode I think it is default to have full tank of fuel so lighter f2007 should be faster.
 
slicecom
Because it IS faster. Why would you compare 2010 race lengths to 2007's? Things like cautions, Safety Cars and weather conditions skew the times. If you look at the fastest laps of the F2007 on the tracks that were also run by the F10, it's slower.

Why are you in denial that the F2007 is slower (in real life, not in the game)?
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I wasn't in denial, I could only find times for the full races, and every one was shorter in 2007 so it made sense that all of the laps must have been faster. Can you give me a link to where you found individual laps? Thanks for finding that out, btw.

I decided to buy the F10 in the game and I have to say I'm not disappointed at all. The X1 is ridiculous in a fake way, but this F10 is ridiculous in a "I can't believe this car is real" way. :)

Unfortunately I don't have an F2007 to compare, but it seems agreed upon that it's faster in the game. But sitting in the cockpit of the F10 and not seeing those distracting stabilizers (or whatever they're called) makes it the better choice IMO.
 
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Apollo33
I wasn't in denial, I could only find times for the full races, and every one was shorter in 2007 so it made sense that all of the laps must have been faster. Can you give me a link to where you found individual laps? Thanks for finding that out, btw.

I decided to buy the F10 in the game and I have to say I'm not disappointed at all. The X1 is ridiculous in a fake way, but this F10 is ridiculous in a "I can't believe this car is real" way. :)
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Hey, add me if you want to do some online F10 racing!! I actually have a room up now, but no one has the car to join... :(
 
I think F10/F2007 owners should go down the long tunnel in SSR7 and find out which is really faster : p


I just found out that B-Spec'ing the Dream Car event gets you about 1mill credits (or so I read) so im off to do that till I can afford one of the F1's!
 
Parasitic
I think F10/F2007 owners should go down the long tunnel in SSR7 and find out which is really faster : p


I just found out that B-Spec'ing the Dream Car event gets you about 1mill credits (or so I read) so im off to do that till I can afford one of the F1's!
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Whoa, no way. I gotta find out about this...
 
Apollo33
I wasn't in denial, I could only find times for the full races, and every one was shorter in 2007 so it made sense that all of the laps must have been faster. Can you give me a link to where you found individual laps? Thanks for finding that out, btw.

I decided to buy the F10 in the game and I have to say I'm not disappointed at all. The X1 is ridiculous in a fake way, but this F10 is ridiculous in a "I can't believe this car is real" way. :)

Unfortunately I don't have an F2007 to compare, but it seems agreed upon that it's faster in the game. But sitting in the cockpit of the F10 and not seeing those distracting stabilizers (or whatever they're called) makes it the better choice IMO.
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Yeah it is kind of hidden on their site, but the amount of information they have is incredible. They have the results of every Practice, Quali and Race session in the history of F1 (dating back to 1950!)

You have to go to Results > Season, then select the race you're looking for and from there you can select which session's times you want to view, as well as the fastest race lap. They even list all the pitstops and the length they took! It boggles my mind all the data they have on there.

I can't really supply you to a link of all of the fastest times of the season as you have to go into each race and check manually, but as an example, here is the timesheet from the Friday Practice 2 session of the 2006 Canadian GP: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2006/759/6305/
 
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I just went into Arcade Mode to do a time trial with the F10 and it says the weight is 560kg! Are you guys sure about the minimum weight during a race? Because it's actually pretty smart that they'd give it the equivalent weight for being low on fuel so you can try for the fastest time possible... and it makes sense then that it's 15kg heavier than the F2007 at 545kg.
 
Apollo33
Why are you so insistent that the F10 is faster? Have you looked at the data?

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2007/
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/
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Thats the dumbest comparision I have ever seen on this page. Comparing the time the cars need to finish a race isn`t saying anything. This season Melbourne was a wet race, 2007 it was not. This season you aren`t allowed to refuel your car.
Check this qualifying times (Q2 times for 2007):

Melbourne:

2007 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:25.644 (this is his Q2 time)

2010 Spain Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:24.111

Monaco:
2007 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:15.967 (this is his Q3 time)

2010 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:14.283
 
akmuq
Here is the comparision. Pole in the 2010 race, p3 in 2007
2010
2007
F10 is 6 tenths of a second faster.
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You can't compare those times. Q3 in 2007 you had to run your race fuel onboard, which was typically 15-20 laps worth of fuel. In 2010, they didn't have this restriction so they ran on vapors, so they are much lighter in q3 spec.

The 2007 cars should have a lot more downforce than the 2010 cars, considering the much larger rear wing and all the winglets on the car. The 2010 cars are faster because the slick tyres drastically improve then grip. The question is whether PD modeled the differences with the tyres between the two. If people are saying the f2007 is faster, then I would guess that they didn't.
 
jorday
yeah, in GT5 the F2007 is more than 10% lighter, so in game play it is basically impossible to overcome that kind of weight difference.

sad thing was that there was no way to tell this until ground out 22,500,000 credits and bought them both, but i was absolutely dying to know which one was better.

i guess you can't get everything right, but this seems like a pretty big error considering they are both probably in the top 5 best cars in the game.
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Of Course they are:

Top1 : Red Bull X1
Top2 : Formula Gran Turismo
Top3 : F2007
Top4 : F10
Top5 : Sauber Mercedes C9 in my opinion.
 
I own both cars. The F1 is closer to the FGT to me. But the F10 has the best handling on the game. Both are such sick cars. I love taking them out for free runs on Nurburgring and tweeking their tunes.
 
alonsof1fan91
The fastest F1 car of all time is a F2004 (I wonder why they didn`t include this beast), but the fastest cars of the 2010 season where sometimes able to beat the lap times set by the F2004 (Eventhough some people forget, that the 2004 qualy system was one of the worst of all time, race fuel + one lap restrictions; this season they didn`t qualified with race fuel anymore), while the 2006-2009 cars were way off the pace.
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Well, the FGT is based on the 2004 F1 cars :sly:
 
jorday
i used to always feel that way too, but these days i have grown to be quite fond of the fgt. a little suspension tuning goes a loooong way, see tuning section if interested. still, it is VERY unforgiving of mistakes. put a tire off the track in the fgt and forgetaboutit you are gone...

on fuji which has some very very difficult turns and elevatin changes, i was astounded to find that i could not match my fgt lap times with either the f2007 or the f10 despite the fact that the ferrari cars have superior cornering. fgt was just too darn fast...it's a beast...will exceet 200 mph in several sections of that track.

however, it is almost impossible to navigate the nurburgring in the fgt, while it can be done fairly easily with the ferrari cars. the fgt just won't change directions quickly enough when you have the hammer down!
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you got that right jorday, have you done any testing with the f2007 like you have with the FGT? at fuji i did a 113.2 with the FGT and a 116.1 with the f2007. testing at nurburgring gp now.
 
I only have the F2007 trying to get the F10 now, need another 2m. (the Bently Speed 8 showed up in UCD just had to get it! :D)

Would just like to say that if you can afford it and thinking about getting one of them, DO IT! It is such an awesome ride I just love riding it around the Nurburgring :) Just my 2 cents.
 
Ok F1 2007 corners great and is fast. F10 is faster but doesn't handle so well.


But if you HAVE to choose which do you go for?



I currently have £10.9 million. Do I keep saving or go for the F1 2007?

I'm tempted just to go for it. But it's going to take ages to save another £12.5 million!
 
I did a comparison of both cars on Trial Mountain and High Speed Ring ... for me the F2007 had better lap times on both tracks. By a little over a second on Trial Mountain and a couple of tenths at High Speed Ring.

I did about 10 laps in both cars, stock setups. Of course, you may get dissimilar results but those are my initial findings. To me it feels like the F2007 has a little more grip over the F10.
 
Scotracer
But anyone that knows ANYTHING about F1 regs knows that in 2007 the minimum weight allowed at any point during the race was 605kg. And of course Ferrari would be as close to that as possible. PD make a booboo. And they made one on the power output too (it's around the 680BHP mark in the game...and I know that is about 70BHP down from my inside contacts in the F1 industry).
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Anyone who knows anything about F1 really should know that the minimum weight always includes the driver. How much does a 545kg car weigh with a driver aboard? Slightly more than 605kg.

It seems PD did make a boo-boo, the F10 should weigh considerably less. What's an average F1 driver weigh - about 70kg?
 
slicecom
Because it IS faster. Why would you compare 2010 race lengths to 2007's? Things like cautions, Safety Cars and weather conditions skew the times. If you look at the fastest laps of the F2007 on the tracks that were also run by the F10, it's slower.

Why are you in denial that the F2007 is slower (in real life, not in the game)?

EDIT: I'm bored and feel like proving you wrong with the raw data directly off the official formula1.com website so here goes:


Australia
Kimi Räikkönen
Ferrari F2007
1:25.644

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:24.111

-1.533



Spain
Felipe Massa
Ferrari F2007
1:20.597

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:20.937

+0.340



Monaco
Felipe Massa
Ferrari F2007
1:15.967

Felipe Massa
Ferrari F10
1:14.283

-1.684



Turkey
Felipe Massa
Ferrari F2007
1:27.039

Felipe Massa
Ferrari F10
1:27.082

+0.043



Canada
Kimi Räikkönen
Ferrari F2007
1:16.411

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:15.435

-0.976



Hungary
Kimi Räikkönen
Ferrari F2007
1:20.107

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:19.987

-.120



Italy
Felipe Massa
Ferrari F2007
1:21.993

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:21.962

-0.031



China
Kimi Räikkönen
Ferrari F2007
1:35.381

Fernando Alonso
Ferrari F10
1:34.913

-0.468

So, in the 8 weekends where rain wasn't a factor in either year, and the track configurations were identical, the F10 was a total 4.429 seconds faster than the F2007. That averages out to over half a second faster per lap per track, which is a HUGE difference in F1. Do you believe me now?
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Fastest lap comparison my not be entirely accurate either ... refueling was banned in 2010, so the cars started the races extremely heavy. The best potential for fast lap times would therefore be at the very end of the race when fuel loads were lightest. In 2007 they had many more laps on low fuel, sometimes refueling 3 times per race.

There is also the issue of hard vs. soft tires ... I would wager that there were many more laps run in 2007 on the soft tire/low fuel combination than in 2010.

IMO, the best comparison would be Q2 pole position times from each season because that session is always run on the lightest fuel load. Of course there are a number of other factors such as track temp, weather, etc. ... almost seems like a pointless debate unless the cars were run on the same track, by the same driver, on the same day.

Alonso is faster than Massa, Raikkonen was faster than Massa in 2007 obviously so it's not accurate to compare Massa 2007 to Alonso 2010 for example. Too many factors to say definitively which is faster.
 

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