Fanatec Wheel Settings Question

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So I just got my CSR and I'm loving it! I do plan on writing a small review in the review thread in a little, but in the meantime feel free to ask me anything about it. I have been using these setting to start with:
SEN:900
FF:100
SHO:100
DRI: 3
ABS: 65
LIN:0
SPR:0

My question is what is the difference between the drift setting and the damper setting?

Here is what the manual says:

Drift Mode (DRI)
When "Drift Mode" is enabled, the wheel has less dampening which allows for quicker turning. This setting is useful for "drifting" or cars that require quick inputs. This can be adjust in increments of 1, from 1 to 5, 5 being quickest, or least amount of dampening. Or you can set to off to have full dampening.

Damper Setting (DPR)
In steps of 1 from -3 to +3
This changes the dampening effect sent by the games. The damper lets the wheel move slower. The more damper the more resistance you can feel. Can only be used while using the wheel consoles.

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wills2084
so no one knows that answer to my question?
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Hang on a minute fella. I just read your post lol.

Increasing drift will allow for faster corrective inputs.

Example turning left you need to go suddenly right. ( correct oversteer for example) drift will allow the wheel to free up with almost no resistance when applying opposite lock.

Damper is the general resistance of the wheel. Adjust to suit.

NB damper effects vary from game to game generally. F1 2011 needs damper -3 or +3. Can't remember sorry.

Hope that helps you fella.

Edit you posted up settings for which game? Remember to Taylor you settings to each game.
 
wills2084
Hmmm what settings are you running for F1 2011 on PS3 and Forza 4?
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Hmm you need damper -3 to get rid of sand/grind effect. Or is it +3.

One of them will sort out what I think your getting at.

Edit will get my settings in a mo.
 
Forza.
SENS 360/450 After work around.
FF 70
SHO 40
DRI 003
ABS 75
SPR -2
DPR -3

After a short work around

Power up Xbox First. (always do this, never power up Xbox via wheel)

Once on track in Forza here's what you need to do.
Have another setting mapped to your wheel. With a Sens setting less than 270.
I start up my wheel in the other setting. Let's call it setting 2.
Pause Forza whilst on track. Turn off wheel and re connect it to Xbox.
Un pause game and switch to setting 1 (your real Forza setting) and good to go.

I don't have my F1 settings at the moment.
I know there's a horrible feeling which damper gets rid of. -3 or +3. Can't remember which, think it's -3.

Try that and let me know how you get on.
 
Energizerrr
What do linearity and spring settings do?
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Spring alters the return rate of the wheel back to centre.
Linearity alters the precision around the centre of the wheel. Linearity off is basically 1to 1 with the in game wheel. (if the software allows that).
Altering it adjust the sensitivity around the wheel centre, not a true 1 to 1. Added to give users options where bad wheel implementation has been programmed by sloppy developers.

Linearity is an interesting one because I feel Fanatec should have made this a + or - value like spring or damper. It should work both ways.
Thomas take note lol.
 
Driftmode is reducing the mechanical rsistance of the wheel by using some motor power to compensate the resistance. This is indipendent from the game.

dpr controls the damper signals coming from the game and only works if the game is using this FF signal.
 
Thomas it has been said around here that the Xbox uses an inferior input tech compared to PS3 and therefor Xbox is incapable of decent FF.

A theory I don't believe BTW.

As a person who manufactures both is there any truth to this rumour or are both capable of the same thing. Something I believe to be true.

Any enlightenment would be nice on this matter.

Thank you.
 
Spagetti69
Power up Xbox First. (always do this, never power up Xbox via wheel)

Once on track in Forza here's what you need to do.
Have another setting mapped to your wheel. With a Sens setting less than 270.
I start up my wheel in the other setting. Let's call it setting 2.
Pause Forza whilst on track. Turn off wheel and re connect it to Xbox.
Un pause game and switch to setting 1 (your real Forza setting) and good to go.
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WHAT?!?! I've always turned my xbox on with my wheel and haven't noticed any lack of force feedback. Is this something that I've missed?
 
wills2084
WHAT?!?! I've always turned my xbox on with my wheel and haven't noticed any lack of force feedback. Is this something that I've missed?
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Who knows?
 
Ok guys in need of help here

I have been having issues with the CSR wheel sensitivity on FM4 since day one of release, here is my problem:

I have tried using the fix everybody seems to be using for the 900 degree issue, but have had nothing but problems. Using this fix I am having to use a low SENS setting to get any kind of turn in response (170 degrees). I am still near enough having to go lock to lock which is not right to me. Without using the fix the wheel is super sensitive where I am only having to use about 10 degrees in tight turns, none of this is making any sense to me.

Today I thought I would load up FM3 to see if I had the same problem, but to my surprise the wheel felt perfect, as it should be in my opinion. I was also getting a lot more response out of the elite pedals as well as the wheel which I thought was very strange. I also tried the wheel on GT5 and it felt great on there, I just don't understand why I am having issues on FM4.

Any ideas guys?

I am lost here, any help would be greatly appreciated 👍
 
GTP_Plato
Ok guys in need of help here

I have been having issues with the CSR wheel sensitivity on FM4 since day one of release, here is my problem:

Any ideas guys?

I am lost here, any help would be greatly appreciated 👍
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I know people have probably asked you this already, but have you updated the firmware on the CSR wheel?

By the way, what are your guys' recommended settings for Richard Burns Rally?
I love this game but Im curious to see your guys settings for the game.
 
VileFCboy
I know people have probably asked you this already, but have you updated the firmware on the CSR wheel?

By the way, what are your guys' recommended settings for Richard Burns Rally?
I love this game but Im curious to see your guys settings for the game.
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Firmware update?

I know there is a firmware update coming soon to resolve the credit and save setting issues, is there another firmware update i'm not aware of that I should be using?

Like I said the wheel works perfectly on FM3 and GT5 but it is terrible on FM4. I didn't even have to change any settings for FM3 and GT5 and the wheel was great, I just don't understand why the sensitivity is terrible on FM4. I have even tried using just normal steering instead of sim and it is still terrible.

Not to sound like i'm bragging or anything but I could set top 10 times on most leaderboards in FM3 and i'm a division 1 driver on GT5 so i'm no slouch. The wheel feels as it should be in FM3 and GT5, but it's just horrible on FM4.

Pretty annoyed with my experience with it on FM4 but it is obviously not a fault with the wheel as it is great on other games.

I should not be needing to use almost full lock to lock when using a low SEN setting, 900 degrees is more responsive than what any setting on FM4 is, surely this is not right.
 
GTP_Plato
Firmware update?

I know there is a firmware update coming soon to resolve the credit and save setting issues, is there another firmware update i'm not aware of that I should be using?
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As you've heard Fanatec will soon release new firmware for the CSR that takes care of the save settings fault and the high pitched noise in Xbox mode.

The credits issue is a fault in the game and will be patched by Turn 10. No word on when that is coming as the patch certification process by Microsoft takes several weeks once the patch is submitted for certification.

I use 900 degrees in FM4 with no problems. I've heard it's important to turn on the Xbox manually first and then turn on your wheel and engage its Xbox mode. I've always turned mine on that way and have encountered no issues with 900 sensitivity. If you want to use the higher sensitivity settings but don't like the twitchyness of it dial in some Linearity in the CSR tuning menu. This will allow you to have the quick turning but removes the over sensitivity in the initial 1-10 degrees of wheel rotation.
 
GTP_Plato
Like I said the wheel works perfectly on FM3 and GT5 but it is terrible on FM4. I didn't even have to change any settings for FM3 and GT5 and the wheel was great, I just don't understand why the sensitivity is terrible on FM4. I have even tried using just normal steering instead of sim and it is still terrible.
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Your symptoms are bizarre. I certainly don't notice anything like it on my Fanatec GT2.... A few questions:
1. Did you change the default deadzone and linearity settings in the advanced menu (accessed when within the controller menu) within Forza 4? Perhaps you set linearity accidentally the wrong way or something silly like that?
2. Are you powering on the XBox with the console button and then turning on the wheel once the console is fully operational, as is recommended?
3. Have you tried the settings recommended here: http://911wheel.de/?q=node/6940 (I've been using these very happily in Forza 4, just turned down FFB to 70 because I found 100 too strong)

Regarding the Forza 4 no credits bug: I've been running 540 degrees instead of 900. As long as you turn the wheel more than 81 degrees from center or get at least one slide (activating the apparently different drift-controller-profile by the feel of it) per race you get credits. I tried setting SEN=OFF (i.e. default 270 degrees) and hated it.

Regarding GT5: I've found that using 540 degrees, 50% FFB, ABS=75, DRI=3, DPR=-3, SPR=-3 works very nicely on the GT2 wheel, along with setting 5 in game and using the G25 profile. Otherwise the wheel tends to be heavily damped. For some reason 900 degrees feels a little strange in GT5 to me.
 
My issues certainly are bizzare, I have messed about with the dead zone settings in the advanced options menu and also tried the recommended settings posted on Thomas's blog, no change though still feels terrible on FM4. Like I keep saying it can't be a fault with the wheel as it is perfect on other games.

The sensitivity around the center on FM4 is ridiculous for me though, having to use between 210 and 170 degrees to get any sort of turn in response can't be right. What I don't understand is how my experience with the wheel is completely different on FM3 compared to FM4. I have tried normal and sim steering but still have the same issue, how can FM3 feel so good and FM4 feel so bad? this is ruining my experience completely and stopping me from playing a game I enjoy :grumpy:

Here are my settings

SEN 270 ( still needing to go lock to lock so end up putting it on 170)
FF 70
ABS 65
LIN 0
DEA 0
SPR 0
DPR 0

I have tinkered with these settings but no matter what the game doesn't feel like it should.

Here's something I would also like to know, is there a big difference for you guys using the wheel on FM3 compared to FM4? If you guys say it's pretty much the same then I have problems. It's not difficult for me to see that there is a massive difference in performance between the 2.

Is there any firmware that may help solve my issue? I haven't used any firmware updates since getting the wheel, the only update I will be getting is the fix for saving settings and receiving credit issues.

In desperate need of help here, i'm not stupid and know how the wheel should feel, and that feeling is apparent on other games which makes the wheel feel fantastic, best experience I have had. It's just a shame I can't share the same experience on FM4.

In the advanced options by the way I changed the dead zone from 95 down to 70 to try and get some more response out of the wheel but it was super sensitive, what are your preferred settings guys?

Thanks for any help, much appreciated and I apologize for going on a bit, but I just want the same experience everybody else using the CSR seems to be having 👍
 
jimbrav
Finally with this settings i Enjoy the forza 4....!!!! well done....!!!!
Thanks mate, thanks again...!!!👍👍👍
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No probs Jimbrav.

Actually their a guy called Raudi's settings.
All good though.

Enjoy mate.

Edit Plato seems like you might have some in game settings to change, sim steering perhaps. Have a look at the advanced settings mate.

I'm not near Forza ATM. If you haven't got it sorted I'll post up my full in game settings too.

Seems odd mate. As for your question. About F3 compared to F4. F4 is far superior.
 
Spagetti69
No probs Jimbrav.

Actually their a guy called Raudi's settings.
All good though.

Enjoy mate.

Edit Plato seems like you might have some in game settings to change, sim steering perhaps. Have a look at the advanced settings mate.

I'm not near Forza ATM. If you haven't got it sorted I'll post up my full in game settings too.

Seems odd mate. As for your question. About F3 compared to F4. F4 is far superior.
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I am using sim steering, have tried normal to but cannot get comfortable at all with the game. Strange as I just plug in and play GT5 or FM3 and it feels fantastic ( as much as I have always hated and not really played FM3) The center of the wheel seems excessively loose on FM4 and that seems to be what i'm struggling to sort out the most. I would like to be using a low SEN setting really, but this game is just not allowing me to without the wheel feeling far to twitchy. By twitchy I mean I can basically weave either side of the road with only slight turns of the wheel. I take it it's the outside dead zone in the advanced options that are giving me the headache, but getting them to work in tandum with the wheel options is maybe my main problem.

Any help with this would be much appreciated:tup: It's my first Fanatec wheel so i'm a bit of a noob to this:dunce:

Thanks in advance:tup:

Edit: I agree that FM4 is far superior to 3 game and physics wise, but my impression was the wheel feels more natural on FM3, and GT5 for that matter. I would like people to put just a lap or 2 on FM3 with the CSR to see my point, you don't have this sensitivity issue in the center of the wheel like you do on FM4, that includes normal steering as well
 
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One thing I have noticed Plato. Your Sens setting is 270. When set to that Xbox thinks its a Microsoft wheel.

Try it. Boot up Xbox first then your wheel with a setting greater than 270.
Lower your Sens setting down to 270 and notice how the console will think your controller is disconnected.

I think running a Sens setting of 270 or lower does odd things.

Have you tried the work around posted on the previous page?
 
Spagetti69
One thing I have noticed Plato. Your Sens setting is 270. When set to that thinks its a Microsoft wheel.

Try it. Boot up Xbox first then your wheel with a setting greater than 270.
Lower your Sens setting down to 270 and notice how the console will think your controller is disconnected.

I think running a Sens setting of 270 or lower does odd things.

Have you tried the work around posted on the previous page?
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I do all this already and have noticed that the wheel disconnects when you lower it to 270. I really do think now my problem lies in the advanced options with the outside dead zone, I cannot for the life of me get the wheel sensitivity as I want it.

I have been trying using a different SENS setting of between 3-4 hundred but still have issues trying to get everything feeling responsive, seems to be as soon as I adjust something I have the sensitivity in the center issue all over again :ouch:
 
I am not the only one noticing these problems on FM4, I am also not the only one saying that the wheel feels far more superior on GT5. How are people not noticing the sensitivity issue on FM4 around the center of the wheel? It is very unrealistic on FM4 compared to other games, why is there no natural feel around the center of the wheel? The sensitivity to me feels at times that I may as well be driving a Kart, no joke, this is how a kart feels to me on GT5.

I am hoping there are some settings to resolve this issue that somebody can help me with, but am leaning towards the problem being what this guy suggests in this link.


http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/permalink/4978256/4978256/ShowThread.aspx#4978256

Sorry to go on guys, most of you obviously have great experience using wheels, but how this is going un noticed is beyond me.

Like I said though, I hope there is someone out there with some settings that will help resolve mine and others problems.

Edit: Sorry for the double post but I want to be enjoying the game with my CSR wheel as most others seem to be, and this is just frustrating me more and more each day to the point where I don't even want to put FM4 on to play
 
Well Plato im using wheel layout 1

Steering DZ inside 0
Steering DZ outside 100
Acceleration Axis DZ inside 0
Acceleration Axis DZ outside 100
Deceleration Axis DZ inside 1
Deceleration Axis DZ outside 100
Clutch Axis Dz inside 0
Clutch Axis DZ outside 90
Handbrake inside 10
Handbrake outside 100
Vibration scale 100
FF scale 100

That is my complete in game settings.
 
Plato

Make sure you check the in game advanced wheel menu settings Spagetti recommended above.

This is the procedure I follow:

1. Power up your XBOX first and when it's at the dashboard - turn on your wheel and connect to XBOX with guide button on wheel(make sure you have any custom tuning setup selected with SENS > 270)

Here's my settings for example for S_3:

SENS 360
FF 70
SHO 40
DRI 004
ABS 75
SPR -2
DPR -3

2. Launch Forza 4 and do a quick race (I usually pick the Audi TTRS and Hockenhime) Once the race starts, turn off your wheel and then turn it back on an pick a different saved tuning setup with the SENS <270 (I use S_2 with SENS 250) then connect the wheel back to xbox by hitting guide button.

3. When you drive the car the wheel will be hyper sensitive now, all you need to do now is switch to your preferred saved setup - for example S_3 with SENS 360 and you should notice the difference in the wheel immediately.

4. At this point your can change to ANY SENS setting from > 270-900 and notice the change immediately.

Note: If I forget to go through the above process after step 1 when I have S_3 SENS 360 selected - the wheel seems to work at SENS 270 with the game which is usable.

Hope that works for you!
 
GTP_Plato
why is there no natural feel around the center of the wheel? The sensitivity to me feels at times that I may as well be driving a Kart, no joke, this is how a kart feels to me on GT5.
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I think I finally understand what you are getting at. Yes, with GT5 and F4 both set to 540 degrees I have a similar experience to you, namely that F4 requires a lot less steering lock than GT5 to turn the front wheels to any particular angle, and feels very twitchy as a result. Even on Sim Steering mode.

Surely the solution to twitchy steering is to set it to 900 degrees? I haven't used that setting much in F4 due to the no credits bug, but that would seem the logical thing to do.

One test you could try: Download the F4 demo, see if things are different in there.....

EDIT: I tested last night and 900 degrees steering is still a little twitchy but a lot better than 540. I was actually using more than 90 degrees off center on the slower turns. The confusing thing is that even with 900 degrees the on-screen hands were matching my hands in real life as I turned the wheel. But there is still too much twitchiness, as if the simulated steering rack is non-linear.
I suspect the next step for me would be to alter the linearity on the wheel profile itself... I'll try that when I next have some time.
 
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This thread and the post on the Forza forums that was linked in this thread explain exactly what feels so wrong with this game.
 
Anyone notice that the FF is pretty weak around wheel center in Forza 4 as compared to Forza 3/GT5?

I'm not having the sensitivity issues that Plato is experiencing, although I use 900 deg. but the force feedback itself is whats bothering me.

It doesn't seem to tighten up until turning the wheel 10 or so degrees left/right, messed with all the settings in game/on wheel and still can't figure it out.
 

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