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Avenger1228
Lately, I have been thinking why there are only a few instances on using certain tracks/vehicles. For example, go-kart, rally, and NASCAR are used in the special events tab. As for tracks, we have snow/ rally, and other unused tracks that are used in A-spec barely or if at all. I know I can make a room online and set it to my preferences. I am just disappointed with the lack of these events in GT-Mode.

Why advertise all of these features if you barely use it? I would rather have nothing or a full set included instead of just bits and pieces. I know some members will agree/ disagree with me and that’s fine. I am just saying this because it makes me wonder how PD spent their time. With the introduction of seasonal events, they could easily add in what’s been missing. I wish PD were open to comments/ advice from its users instead of releasing what they feel we want instead of other way around.
 
I hear ya.

Seems like a waste at times, and sometimes makes me think that the final A-spec things were rushed final minute stuff.
 
I mean really, go-karts and their tracks are only used in one special event, the snow/dirt tracks are only used in a couple time trial like events, and there are only 11 NASCAR vehicles and 2 real NASCAR tracks. They dropped the ball on a lot of the new features, meanwhile we have like a thousand Roadster events :P
 
worst of all is that we have all this rally cars and we dont have races/events nor tracks to have a drive or a race.
 
It's all about online guys. The people asked for it, so they got it. Live with it and have fun.
 
Rally, NASCAR, go-karts, course maker, 1000 cars, damage model and many more things where PD has failed/lied to us.

As for the features I never use...let me see
- online (physics)
- remote racing
...and that's it.
 
SkierPS3
and there are only 11 NASCAR vehicles and 2 real NASCAR tracks.
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It was understandable that NASCAR would never be a major focus for the game. That's not the sort of thing the series has been about. Putting a big emphasis on NASCAR in Gran Turismo would be like working a bunch of baseball into the next Madden NFL game. Baseball and handball ("football", as it's peculiarly named in the US) are both ball sports in the same way that NASCAR and various other motorsports are all racing, after all.

The problem is that it was highlighted by PD as though it was a more prominent feature than it really is. Many people seem to have been convinced that NASCAR would be well-represented in the game, and many forum topics around the Internet have illustrated that many months back.
 
IceMan PJN
The problem is that it was highlighted by PD as though it was a more prominent feature than it really is. Many people seem to have been convinced that NASCAR would be well-represented in the game, and many forum topics around the Internet have illustrated that many months back.
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They did the same thing with the WRC licence, flaunting it like it was the biggest deal in the game and delivering the most bare-bones amount of off-road that the series has ever had.
 
The game's scope was over ambitious. And after all they didn't have that much time to make it... *cough*

Seems like there is a lot of potential for future expansions though.
 
redmalloc
The game's scope was over ambitious. And after all they didn't have that much time to make it... *cough*
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That is an understetement of the decade.. I think they've lost focus somewhere along the way... Kaz needs a long vacation..
 
The Nascar license...
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The WRC license...
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These buzz phrases are thrown around here like darts. But none are hitting the center of the board. Why? I would imagine because Sony & PD has a license for individual cars, and not the officially sanctioned racing series themselves. That's why, for example, you have a Ferrari F1 car but they can't be raced against different cars. And why they're not called "Grand Prix or F1". It's why you have rally events but none of them can officially be called "WRC" events. NASCAR itself, to my knowledge, doesn't have an "exclusive" license with anybody. There's NASCAR content in GT5, in iRacing, and the 'official' NASCAR game from Eutechnyx. But I'm guessing there was something in the contract that prohibited them from having a 43 car field or running more than a limited number of officially sanctioned NASCAR tracks with official rules.

I doubt PD isn't putting in content because they didn't feel like it. It's more likely that Sony's licensing deal was simply limited. It's no different than DTM or LMS--you have (some) of the cars from those series, but not all of them and not the series itself.
 
And let's not get started with what has been done with the SuperGT and Top Gear "features".

The championship is just called SuperGT!!! It doesn't use any official logo and is reaaally short. GT4 gave you a better feeling of the overall SuperGT season with around six tracks all over Asia.

And Top Gear, as "the other game" has proved could've been implemented MUCH, MUCH BETTER. Such wasted potential.

Coming to think of it, that should be GT5's motto. Amazing graphics, very realistic physics, incredible attention to detail, interesting concept, and an utterly flawed and disappointing product. I'll never believe the hype again... :(
 
I would call that into question, based on the fact they also have the Top Gear licence and the best they were able to do was get the track, 5 seconds of The Stig as an intro to the track and nothing else remotely related to Top Gear.

Honestly, I think it's more a case of getting too many licences and then not having a damn clue what to do with them.
 
EliteDreamer
It's all about online guys. The people asked for it, so they got it. Live with it and have fun.
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I didn't ask for online over a decent solo game.
It's not that hard to have both.

I agree with the OP, I'd rather have half implemented 100% than double implemented 25%.
 
jjaisli
I would imagine because Sony & PD has a license for individual cars, and not the officially sanctioned racing series themselves.
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This is obviously not the case simply by virtue of how there had been WRC cars in the series for 11 years by the time GT5 came out. Ergo, if the terms of PD's licence meant that there would be no difference from how rallying was handled in previous games in the series, then they shouldn't have acted like the WRC licence meant something in the first place.
 
EliteDreamer
It's all about online guys. The people asked for it, so they got it. Live with it and have fun.
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Imagine if everyone accepted what they paid for and just smiled, GT5 would be a blank CD...or maybe an empty case...

If history has taught us nothing it's that those that push and question and don't accept the status quo move things forward.

"You have your cave, be happy with it!"

:)
 
Toronado
This is obviously not the case simply by virtue of...
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http://www.wrcthegame.com/EN-us/

North One Sport LTD promotes the WRC and has the legal means to grant rights to market a game called WRC, which is done so under license to Leader S.p.a., which, operates under the brand, Blackbean . In essence, North One Sport granted or sold the rights to the WRC video game to Blackbean. They did not grant it to Sony.

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Don't believe me? Call them and ask them...

North One Sport Ltd. promotes the FIA World Rally Championship. It organizes a series of two, three, and four-day car rally/racing events. The company also offers car accessories, jackets, accessories, children’s wear, headwear, luggage, and shirts through its online shop. North One Sport Ltd. was formerly known as International Sportsworld Communicators Ltd. and changed its name to North One Sport Ltd in October 2007. The company was incorporated in 1982 and is based in London, United Kingdom. As of February 10, 2011, North One Sport Ltd operates as a subsidiary of Convers Sports Initiatives PLC.
46-52 Pentonville Road
London, N1 9HF
United Kingdom
Founded in 1982
Phone:
44 20 7584 7584
Fax:
44 20 7502 5600
 
And that changes what about what I said, exactly? Does that change how PD pimped the licence like it meant something? No.

If anything, it makes what they did worse.
 
PD promoted the WRC cars they have in the game. They promoted the rally style tracks. But I don't remember them ever claiming to have a license for the WRC as a series. People just made assumptions.

My first post in this thread was trying to set the record straight that PD and Sony seem to have licenses for individual cars. But not the series they run in.
 
This is just my own opinion, but I think that the scope of GT5 is too wide. They need to narrow the game down to focus on the races and series that other games don't already cover.

F1 2010 (soon 2011) covers F1 racing adequately... so leave it out. Especially if the only real F1 cars in the game are two geriatric Ferrari's.

NASCAR the game covers NASCAR adequately... so leave it out. Especially if NASCAR style tuning isn't even an option in the game. Believe it or not, but NASCAR tunes their cars not just from the front to the back, but also bilaterally depending on the track.. an option we don't have. So why bother if they're going to half ass it?

The DIRT series, even with it's ******** policy of only giving you half the game and then making the rest of the cars and tracks all DLC, does rally racing adequately. So why do we have a hundred rally cars and not a single rally race in any A-spec event?

They need to find a focus and do that one thing really well while leaving the other events to the games that focus on them already.
 
SkierPS3
I mean really, go-karts and their tracks are only used in one special event, the snow/dirt tracks are only used in a couple time trial like events, and there are only 11 NASCAR vehicles and 2 real NASCAR tracks. They dropped the ball on a lot of the new features, meanwhile we have like a thousand Roadster events :P
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I use rally (both dirt and snow) constantly online with friends... So its not useless in my perspective
 
I rarely use standard cars as having a interior view is what it's all about for me. Other things I don't use would include the community message board, OCD - I only used it for the FGT, wheel shop and museum cards which I don't get due to having an Asian copy of the game.
 
I don't use the private message feature in the game that you get to by going to someone's profile and going to the little envelope.
 
H0urg1ass
This is just my own opinion, but I think that the scope of GT5 is too wide. They need to narrow the game down to focus on the races and series that other games don't already cover.
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They need to find a focus and do that one thing really well while leaving the other events to the games that focus on them already.
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Well, I believe the intent PD has, and always had, was NOT in fact to recreate those series. They're not trying to make an F1, NASCAR, WRC, DTM, SuperGT, LMS/ALMS, etc, game. They're trying to give everybody a taste of the cars used in those series. And the unique thing about GT, is that it allows you to combine and race all of these cars together on the same track. I can't think of another (console) game where you can take a WRC car, a NASCAR, a DTM car and a SuperGT car and race them all together at the same time on the Nürburgring.
 
I never use, museum, b-spec, remote racing, ocd, ucd, photo mode, message board, and track editor, wow that's about 60 to 70 percent of the game.:guilty:

Anna+Reece
I don't use the private message feature in the game that you get to by going to someone's profile and going to the little envelope.
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Do you or anyone else know if you use this will it inform the other person that they have a message before they go back to GTLife? I would rather send them a message via XMB so it flashes on their screen, unless they have that turned off.
 
jjaisli
Well, I believe the intent PD has, and always had, was NOT in fact to recreate those series. They're not trying to make an F1, NASCAR, WRC, DTM, SuperGT, LMS/ALMS, etc, game. They're trying to give everybody a taste of the cars used in those series. And the unique thing about GT, is that it allows you to combine and race all of these cars together on the same track. I can't think of another (console) game where you can take a WRC car, a NASCAR, a DTM car and a SuperGT car and race them all together at the same time on the Nürburgring.
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Well put... Never thought of THAT type of race, but you serve a purposefull point
 
jjaisli
Well, I believe the intent PD has, and always had, was NOT in fact to recreate those series. They're not trying to make an F1, NASCAR, WRC, DTM, SuperGT, LMS/ALMS, etc, game. They're trying to give everybody a taste of the cars used in those series. And the unique thing about GT, is that it allows you to combine and race all of these cars together on the same track. I can't think of another (console) game where you can take a WRC car, a NASCAR, a DTM car and a SuperGT car and race them all together at the same time on the Nürburgring.
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While that's novel for a few minutes, we already know who the winner will be if you take three equally skilled drivers put them in an F1 car, NASCAR and SuperGT car and throw them on the nurb for ten laps.

I just think that if they left some of these classes of cars out, then they would be able to focus more of their developers on publishing a polished game with better features like maybe a "save race" option for the endurance races so those of us who like to complete all the game content don't have to worry about burning out our PS3 by running it for 30+ hours straight.

I still enjoy the game and I don't mind those cars and races being part of it, I'm just looking at ways to streamline the production so the product comes out better.
 
H0urg1ass
While that's novel for a few minutes, we already know who the winner will be if you take three equally skilled drivers put them in an F1 car, NASCAR and SuperGT car and throw them on the nurb for ten laps.

I just think that if they left some of these classes of cars out, then they would be able to focus more of their developers on publishing a polished game with better features like maybe a "save race" option for the endurance races so those of us who like to complete all the game content don't have to worry about burning out our PS3 by running it for 30+ hours straight.

I still enjoy the game and I don't mind those cars and races being part of it, I'm just looking at ways to streamline the production so the product comes out better.
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I wasn't actually trying to make a case for or against. I was simply stating, "that's how it is" in regards to how and what content they have the legal rights to use in the game. However, that said, I think it's already been stated many times that the vast majority of standard cars in GT5 are simply recycled from previous GT games. And nearly 1/3 of the premiums were from Prologue. So the argument that all of those additional cars didn't allow them to implement a save game feature, or other highly requested features, just doesn't really hold any water.

However, I do agree in the sense that PD envisioned a game that was on a scale and scope so large, that they simply weren't able to complete it within the deadline they were given. And they've spent the better part of the last year patching it and tweaking it and turning it into the game it should have been. And the process isn't over yet.
 
Gawd, here we go with the "online" spiel.

Some of us want a decent single player offline experience AS WELL. Personally I think that the online part of the game has KILLED the offline stone dead.

Now, if PD would let us create an online lobby and populate it with Ai to race against.........
 

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