Ferrari California is way too fast around Sukuza 700PP online

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Famine
Yes, I agree. Ferrari must be paying PD so that the Ferrari California appears to be faster than the... Ferrari... F430... uhh...
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Notice he had a period infront of that part where he said "Ferrari must be paying PD" but i agree that was a funny comment. He is right tho there is ALOT of ferarri stuff for online races now the ferarri suzuka and the f2007 race at datona now. I hope there could be open races at all the tracks they offer in gt5p online. I mean how little do they plan on giving us there are only a few damn tracks in the demo already let us race them online in expert mode already. i wana race eiger and london for a change up. Hope they let us have the option to race what ever ( of the minimal) tracks they have in the demo already
 
There were always two large complaints about GT.

1. No damage.
2. No Ferrari/Lamborghini Porsche.

I find myself internally chuckling at the concept that people can, with a straight face, suggest there's too much Ferrari now :lol:
 
It must be something that makes the California faster than the F430 because looking at how this is I don't know what it could be

California
Power 460PS
Weight 1450kg
Torque 49.10kgfm

F430
Power 490PS
Weight 1450kg
Torque 40.70kgfm

It must be the torque that the California has that makes it faster rather than power or either the quicker gearbox that has 7 gears that makes power to the wheels more efficiently or it can also be the way the body is designed or either the FR layout
 
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Or, it could be that people find the Cali easier to drive than the F430? And I haven't checked the performance points on each, as I've only used the F430 so far, but it could also be that if the Cali starts with lower performance points, then it isn't being handicapped as much as the F430 is by having to, say, increase weight to bring it to the right PP. I have to increase the weight and reduce the power of the F430 slightly to put it on the R1 tyres that I like to run the race with.

If a Cali driver only has to increase the weight slightly, then they aren't losing as much as an F430 driver is. Or maybe, some drivers are actually reducing the weight and increasing the power, and electing to run with S3 or S2 tyres instead.

Maybe many of the F430 drivers are just rubbish and can't keep up.

Either way, there are too many variables involved to state that the F430 is the slower car, especially (as I've already mentioned) as I don't find it too difficult to win or at least come top-3 in the F430.
 
homeforsummer
Maybe many of the F430 drivers are just rubbish and can't keep up.
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Lol, there's a diplomatic statement if ever there was one. F430's retro fitted with machine guns from this point on....

Simply stated, the California has alot more torque... almost 20% more. So you can get a faster exit from the apex at lower revs and waste less time in gear changes. Also, the F430 doesn't achieve its 483 bhp until 8500 revs, 1000 higher than the California's peak output.

Couple that with the sublime neutral balance that the California seems to have, and it should always be a good second ahead of the F430, which is "skittish" mid corner, on a circuit like Suzuka.

"Is it skittish?"

"Its powerful and peaky.. a real challenge to drive"

"Yes but is it skittish?"

:crazy:
 
VagabondAngel
Couple that with the sublime neutral balance that the California seems to have, and it should always be a good second ahead of the F430, which is "skittish" mid corner, on a circuit like Suzuka.

"Is it skittish?"

"Its powerful and peaky.. a real challenge to drive"

"Yes but is it skittish?"

:crazy:
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Maybe what some people are mad about is that the California exhibits a distinctly un-Ferrarilike lack of bad manners. It drives so nice it could be a BMW. :sly:
 
True enough, The only sure fire way to tell of course would be to drive both cars in the flesh at Suzuka. Not very likely. I have, however, had a short blast in an F430 (belonging to my missus' boss) and I would consider it dangerous with no traction control. Unfortunately the traction control in GT bears very little resemblance to real traction control and just gets on the old nerves... so the F430 is skittish.

Anyone got a California they wanna let me have a go in?
 
I happy to see the end of the clio in suzuca 700pp ; this litle car pist me off ; is not a beautiful gran turismo car ; but is a cheaper ugly tuned street car and is very fast and handling very good whith apropied tune . the f california is a dream car and beat the clio sometime depends the drivers , I love to race dream cars beautiful and quick.I race most of the time in suzuca 700pp and for me the car of the moment is the f calif .
see you in the 700pp
 
s2k2k3
Dare I...

I shall!

So if we combine the two, we get a racing game. :dopey:

If the point isn't to win, then why don't they give the Gold trophy to the one who had the most fun?

Make you a deal. You don't tell me how to have fun, and I won't tell you how to have fun.

Methinks thou dost presume too much.
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My point is, there's no point winning if you have no fun getting there, combine fun and winning and what do you have, racing + game = a racing game. Lose one, and you only have one and at the end of the day we're not out there on the roads in an actual race and we're not gaining any ranks/stats, we all have have pretty much all the credits we need so there's no real prize. I don't mean to honk my own horn, but I finish pretty high most races I enter, but it's not worth it without a fight. Just my opinion, I meant no harm in what i said until the sarcastic comment you gave me.
 
Ferrari California is a quick car and has made me to begin and neglet my Clio in the 700pp Suzuka

I have had some good races with the california at 700pp I got 6:08(good time for me but probably ****ty to a large majority of the people here) But I had a GTR on my ass pushing me hard and the tuned Clio infront. A fun race though
 
s2k2k3
I hope you mean 2:08 :sly:
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Nope 6:08 for 3 laps and the second lap was 2:00.425
sangbyung
maybe he meant for the whole race which has 3 laps.
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yeah 6:08 for 3 laps
s2k2k3
Didn't think of that. I guess I never pay any attention to the total race time.
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I generally pay attention to my best lap time but the total time allows me to average time per lap which then I use to compare my tunes
 
I just did some testing of my own after reading this thread. I took the California out to fuji F and layed down three hot laps witha best of 1:49.3xx,jumped in the F430 & layed down 5 hot laps with a best of 1:50.4xx. The proof is in the numbers i guess, i thought the F430 would be faster. Not a big fan of the california it`s way to tail happy and sounds muffled,the F430 sounds like it wants to climb out & rip your head off.
 
well maybe, just maybe we get the f430 scuderia in the full game... that would rip out the california sure:crazy:

never drove these cars in real, think never happen. but the torque seems to be more in the california and that could be just that thing to make it slightly quicker then the f430.
 
That darn California... I just tried in in the 750PP S10 race. It's only 713PP but it still makes mid-2'01 laps and took the lead on lap 3. I was leading for so long that I thought the race was over at the end of lap 4 and I let off the gas. :dunce:

I can't say whether the car is really this good, but it does seem the PP rating is a bit off. A 713PP car should not destroy a 750PP race.
 
s2k2k3
That darn California... I just tried in in the 750PP S10 race. It's only 713PP but it still makes mid-2'01 laps and took the lead on lap 3. I was leading for so long that I thought the race was over at the end of lap 4 and I let off the gas. :dunce:

I can't say whether the car is really this good, but it does seem the PP rating is a bit off. A 713PP car should not destroy a 750PP race.
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that is the point that i was trying to make. It is just way off. try using F430 or GTR with 710 PP at 750PP S10. It would be really difficult to win the race. Now i see half the cars as california on online race. I manage to overtake them in the corners, but they just blast out on the straight.
 
gator of kana
It must be something that makes the California faster than the F430 because looking at how this is I don't know what it could be

California
Power 460PS
Weight 1450kg
Torque 49.10kgfm

F430
Power 490PS
Weight 1450kg
Torque 40.70kgfm

It must be the torque that the California has that makes it faster rather than power or either the quicker gearbox that has 7 gears that makes power to the wheels more efficiently or it can also be the way the body is designed or either the FR layout
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Those stats can't be right....

According to this press release:
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=165344

THe California has a dry weight of 1630kg, does 0-100kp/h in 4.0 seconds and 1/4 mile in 12.2. THe F430 weighs 1450kg dry and i've seen 1/4 mile figures in the 11.8 range for it.
The torque figures of the F430 you gave aren't right either, seeing as it has 465nm, only 20nm less then the California's 485nm.
 
s2k2k3
That darn California... I just tried in in the 750PP S10 race. It's only 713PP but it still makes mid-2'01 laps and took the lead on lap 3. I was leading for so long that I thought the race was over at the end of lap 4 and I let off the gas. :dunce:

I can't say whether the car is really this good, but it does seem the PP rating is a bit off. A 713PP car should not destroy a 750PP race.
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My mistake. The California only makes 708PP with R1 tires.
 
Why are people comparing F430 specs to California specs? Whats the point? It is totally irreverent to this topic.

The discussion here is that at a certain PP level the California is far too fast. The is a PP-game physics issue, the real world performance of each car has nothing to do with it.

At 650PP the California dominates. Sure I can win in an F430, but in the California I dont really have to try. The PP needs to be updated yet again I think.
 
I think the California is about right, I don't place much faith in what PD rate their so called "Performance Points" at because it's all theoretical and very little of their hypotheses will ever see the light of day.

There is no such thing as a Tuned Corvette in real life that PD have modelled the car on, just as there is no such thing as a 750PP California.
 
Heyhuub
Those stats can't be right....

According to this press release:
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=165344

THe California has a dry weight of 1630kg, does 0-100kp/h in 4.0 seconds and 1/4 mile in 12.2. THe F430 weighs 1450kg dry and i've seen 1/4 mile figures in the 11.8 range for it.
The torque figures of the F430 you gave aren't right either, seeing as it has 465nm, only 20nm less then the California's 485nm.
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Never trust a PRESS RELEASE!!!!

The California will never do the standing quarter in 12.2 seconds on factory road rubber.
 
Yesterday i was racing with mya GTR on suzuka and there were 5 racers driving FC, i raced for 3 races and lost none of em. One more guy came up with FC he was racing great. We fight so long an he passed me on the straight and i didnt have another chance to pass him even whan i was drafting, i was drafting and it was still faster.
FC is now a great weapon in well trained hands.
 
In the Suzuka Ferrari event pretty much everyone uses it and yeah it is fast, but i feel proud when i win a race with my yellow 599 :D
 
So long as I don't get punted in turn one or two of lap one then I have a good chance of winning.

The FC is definitely better when tuned.

This week I hope to have time to take out both the FC and the 430 in stock form to see what the actually story is. When you start changing weight, power and tyres in PP it changes the natural physics of the car as assigned by PD. When I first drove the FC in TT mode it was quite a twitchy car requiring you to be a bit delicate on the throttle but now with the PP I have it set so there is rarely any flick from the rear. I've always found the 430 nice to drive but in PP it doesn't seem to have the same pull as the FC. Will have to investigate further.
 

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