Ferrari F150/F150th Italia Launch

akmuq
Why not get rid of them all together.đź’ˇ
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They're designed to serve the same function as the F-duct. But between the car's aerodynamics, the use of KERS and the adjustable rear wing, it's going to be impossible to say conclusively which of the three was the deciding factor in a pass.

Peter
Isn't it only allowed to be used when behind another car? And people said that the adjustable front wings would help overtaking, but they haven't, now have they?
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It can only be used when a driver is within one second of the car in front (until the moment the dirver first touches the brakes after it has been deployed) and on a designated point on the circuit. This is not as bad as it sounds, because most circuits only really have one place where it would be practical to use it, like the main straight in Barcelona. On others where there are two potential passing opportunities - like the Hangar and Wellington straights at Silverstone - Charlie Whiting will designate one as a ARW point before the race.

But none of that answers my question: with the controversy over the ARW, why do you think doubling its use is a good idea, or a solution to anything?
 
How is it more complicated? Instead of making the use it only when within 1 second of a diver ahead until the brakes are touched and only on a certain part of the track, just twice per lap and done?
 
Depending on how easy it becomes to overtake (and we see a ton of see-sawing), I wouldn't rule out a change giving the teams the option to only run either Kers OR the adjustable wing in a race.
 
Peter
How is it more complicated? Instead of making the use it only when within 1 second of a diver ahead until the brakes are touched and only on a certain part of the track, just twice per lap and done?
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I would imagine it would lead to more crashes since drivers wouldn't know when to anticipate higher closing speeds.
 
Peter
How is it more complicated? Instead of making the use it only when within 1 second of a diver ahead until the brakes are touched and only on a certain part of the track, just twice per lap and done?
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Because a) the FIA doesn't want to make it too easy for drivers to pass with it and b) as I've just told you, the use of it is effectviely limited by the geography of the circuit. So even if the use of the ARW was unmoderated, drivers would still only be able to use it once or twice (at most) during a lap.
 
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People are already afraid that the adjustable rear wing will make overtaking far too easy as it is ...
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Somehow I seriously doubt that overtaking being far too easy in F1 will ever be a problem.
 
I love this shot, its so nice to see a clean shape again. Its strange being able to see the rear so clearly after so many years of complicated diffusers and floors.
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It appears Ferrari have done a great job with the rear of this car.
 
BobK
Somehow I seriously doubt that overtaking being far too easy in F1 will ever be a problem.
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People are afraid the ARW will somehow lead to a sharp increase in overtaking, and that it's going to take all the skill out of racing. Personally, I reckon this is rubbish because there's no way we will be able to say with absolute certainty that a pass only happened because of the ARW, but people have gotten it into their heads that it will be a problem. Most likely in an attempt to discredit a concept they find unpopular.
 
My biggest problem with it is that there's no need to overtake anywhere else, so all drivers will just wait for the straight and then just drive past the other car.

Which will suck really bad.
 
You're just assuming that. As I've already demonstrated, some circuits only really have one place to pass unless the other guy makes a mistake. The drivers already know all of the potential passing opportunities in each circuit - even India - so the ARW won't change things much.
 
Ardius
I love this shot, its so nice to see a clean shape again. Its strange being able to see the rear so clearly after so many years of complicated diffusers and floors.
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It appears Ferrari have done a great job with the rear of this car.
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A tidy, very tight package yes, but i'm still amazed they haven't gone with a pull-rod rear suspension. I wonder what the reason for it is? The pull-rod suspension was what Red Bull started out with in '09 and is probably even more beneficial now that the double diffusers are gone. Renault and even Lotus have gone this way, and i'd be surprised if McLaren haven't as well.
 
Shaggy Alonso
A tidy, very tight package yes, but i'm still amazed they haven't gone with a pull-rod rear suspension. I wonder what the reason for it is? The pull-rod suspension was what Red Bull started out with in '09 and is probably even more beneficial now that the double diffusers are gone. Renault and even Lotus have gone this way, and i'd be surprised if McLaren haven't as well.
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They kept the push-rod suspension as they managed to package it just as well as the pull-rod suspension. More information here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89132

It is interesting to see what Ferrari had to say about other car designs:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89265

Can't wait until Q3 Bahrain, should be interesting and finally F1 in HD.

About Today's testing, looks like Alonso was lucky to test the car for the first two days. Felipe Massa's F150 suffered something similar to what the 458 suffers from.

Images from BBC:

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This damage happened due to him spinning on oil leaking from his own car after a clamp broke. They managed to repair the car in 4 hours which is impressive.
 
Typical Ferrari. Alonso's car runs perfect all the time, Felipe steps in and the wheels fall off in the pitlane :lol:
 
Neocrox
Thanks, but that thing is HUGE!!! Is it gonna stay like this?
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No, they only use it for testing, it appears every year in testing lately.

The F1 teams have used various types of sensors on their cars in the past during testing:
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Along with the current fashion of "flo-vis" paint started by McLaren:
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All done to try and understand what the aerodynamics are doing in the real-world and see if it corrolates with what their data from the windtunnel and CFD is telling them.
 
Thank you Ardius, that was the answer I needed!

I really was into F1 years ago, it faded away but it's coming back now.. Haven't watched it since I was 12 or so, so I'm kind off new into F1 xD That was when they body lengths were much shorter and cigarette marketing was still legal!
 
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PeterJB
I'd forgotten how hideous McLaren's '09 car was.
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Hideous? I don't really understand how anyone could find it that offensive? It was one of the sleeker looking cars that year IMO, the Renault and BMW were far worse.
 
It isn't like the Ferrari is going to put a bad reputation on the Ford. Ford wishes they would make something as good as the Ferrari. I have a feeling the name is going to have to be changed though.
 
Will be interesting to see how it plays out. I'm guessing though Ferrari will just change the name of the car.

I guess this does mark a revival of sorts to the Ford Vs. Ferrari rivalry, unfortunately it's not on a race track.
 

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