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There are already enough Ferraris from most eras if you ask me.
The P4, 512BB, F40, F430, Enzo, 599, F2007, California, F458 and we don't know if there will be even more in the end. Not to mention that there are also enough sportscars now.
 
There are already enough Ferraris from most eras if you ask me.
The P4, 512BB, F40, F430, Enzo, 599, F2007, California, F458 and we don't know if there will be even more in the end. Not to mention that there are also enough sportscars now.

There's never enough Ferraris.
 
There are never enough cars overall, but it has to stop somewhere and I personally think Ferrari shouldn't be treated different than other manufacturers.

I would rather see more Fords for example, but I don't complain, or make a thread about this.
 
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There are never enough cars overall, but it has to stop somewhere and I personally think Ferrari shouldn't be treated different than other manufacturer.

I would rather see more Fords for example, but I don't complain, or make a thread about this.

well u cant compare fords to ferrari. every single car that ferrari makes pretty much becomes a icon in the motoring world. the only way u can have enough ferrari is when u got em all.
 
There are never enough cars overall, but it has to stop somewhere and I personally think Ferrari shouldn't be treated different than other manufacturer.

I would rather see more Fords for example, but I don't complain, or make a thread about this.

I'd like to see Porsche ;)

(Please don't attack me for saying that) :lol:
 
well u cant compare fords to ferrari. every single car that ferrari makes pretty much becomes a icon in the motoring world. the only way u can have enough ferrari is when u got em all.

I don't compare the two manufacturers, I still don't see why Ferrari should be treated better than other car brands though. Especially not after how they acted in the past all the time.

P.S.: Please look at your grammar.
 
i think its becuz most ppl thought the F50 was sort of ugly, and just not enough good enough to be a true successor to the almighty F40. i guess it never lived up to the hype and shadow that the F40 cast

I can't understand how anyone could think the F50 is an ugly car in any way. It's just beautiful from every angle. I do like the F40 but the F50 surpasses it in essentially every category IMO. I know the power to weight ratio is not quite as good as the F40, but at the end of the day the F50 still is the quicker car so what does it really matter? And come on, what would you rather, a V8 twin turbo or a V12?

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The F40 has a very nice and unique design however it has an outdated look. You can easily tell it's an 80s car. Then look at something like the McLaren F1 where it doesn't even look outdated at all. The F50 is maybe in between; I'd say even closer to the McLaren since it has a modernish look. It's essentially a modern looking F40 and whereas the F40 has straight boxy edges like an 80s car, the F50 has more flowing curves. That's not to say I don't like the boxyness of the F40; I just think the F50 is a more beautiful design in the end.

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When I look at both cars side by side like this, the F50 stands out to me as the superior looking car whereas like I mentioned earlier, the F40 has the outdated look and the boxyness compared to the F50 doesn't help it. Again, I want to emphasize that I'm not criticizing the boxyness of the F40 in the sense that it's not good, and I wouldn't change it at all since it's beautiful, but I see more beauty in the F50.

And then there's the rear of the F50. Just absolutely astonishing. I don't think there's any car in the world that looks as good as the F50 does from the rear. The double lights on each side, the prancing horse, the transparent grille, the large flowing spoiler. Just timeless and a masterpiece.

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And you can't forget the sound. That V12 is just mindblowing. It sounds like a T-rex the way it screams. Personally, I don't think any other road car sounds as good as the F50. Just watch and listen to the F50 blow past this F355 at full throttle like it's nothing at 0:12. And in the tunnels from a distance, it just screams menacingly like a beast.



And then just listen to this after 0:55. It sounds like a 90s Formula One car when it takes off and flies by. No words.

 
I don't compare the two manufacturers, I still don't see why Ferrari should be treated better than other car brands though. Especially not after how they acted in the past all the time.

P.S.: Please look at your grammar.

i like to write like this online becuz i get to deal with enough "proper grammer' at university:indiff: also, ferrari is special, if u dont realize that, then i dont know how i can help u.
 
I don't compare the two manufacturers, I still don't see why Ferrari should be treated better than other car brands though. Especially not after how they acted in the past all the time.

P.S.: Please look at your grammar.

If you've really watched Formula 1 you would know that ALL major teams practice team orders in some way. Taking the only intact new wing from one driver to another is a form of team orders. Ferrari just get the "pepper" because they are so big.
 
i like to write like this online becuz i get to deal with enough "proper grammer' at university:indiff: also, ferrari is special, if u dont realize that, then i dont know how i can help u.

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If you've really watched Formula 1 you would know that ALL major teams practice team orders in some way. Taking the only intact new wing from one driver to another is a form of team orders. Ferrari just get the "pepper" because they are so big.
That is just one example.
I don't find the team order they did itself bad by the way, but more how they did it, like they thought everyone who watches F1 is dumb.
 
That is just one example.
I don't find the team order they did itself bad by the way, but more how they did it, like they thought everyone who watches F1 is dumb.

I can give many more examples from this year if you want. But i agree they way they did it was a bit to obvious, but if you really look at it what difference does it make how good they hide it? It's unfair to punish someone simply because they didn't hide it as good as the others. This is why the WMSC is looking to revise the whole team order rule. They can't enforce it, so better to make it equal for everyone.
 
There are never enough cars overall, but it has to stop somewhere and I personally think Ferrari shouldn't be treated different than other manufacturers.

I would rather see more Fords for example, but I don't complain, or make a thread about this.

There are enough cars, as I mentioned before. The more you have, the less you appreciate what cars we already have. Those cars lose their value in the game.
 
I don't find the team order they did itself bad by the way, but more how they did it, like they thought everyone who watches F1 is dumb.

They thought everyone who watches is dumb? How exactly...? They dealt with it the best way they could. What are they going to do -- command Felipe to pull over and admit it was a team order against the rules?

In the moment it was all up in the air of controversy and many people had different views about it, I'm sure, but IMO there was really nothing wrong with it happening. It was in the best interest of the team and it was the right call. It makes no difference whether this happens now or in the last race of the season to ensure a teammate wins the championship. See Raikkonen and Massa in 2007 and 2008 helping each other out. Nobody thought anything was wrong there. Why not?

The only problem with the way it was executed was that Smedley, Massa's engineer, said sorry after it happened. But that is simply one employee. You can't take that and apply it to all of Ferrari. Smedley is on Massa's side and wants the best for him, not Alonso, so he felt he needed to tell him sorry coming from him, not the team.

Maybe asking him to confirm he understood the message is seen as a strange thing to do, but it helped get the point across to Felipe as to what was going on. If he was just told Fernando was quicker, what does that really mean? Okay, that's great, thanks. This way he knows he needs to let him through.

Smedley couldn't have told him straight up to let Alonso past since that is a clear infringement of the team orders rule. While essentially it can be argued that what happened was a team order anyway, there was no order for it to happen. He's faster than you, can you confirm? That's not at order. Whether or not that's a secret code established by Ferrari beforehand, there is no clear order in the moment from that message.

And quite honestly, if there is anyone to really blame for the way it happened it's Massa. I was disgusted by the way he acted after the race about it and how he told the interviewer "you know what happened," absolutely suggesting it was a team order and everything else he said about it. I understand after something like that you feel robbed. Yes, Massa was robbed of the victory but again you have to look back to the team. It was best for Alonso to win for him to get back into the hunt and Massa really didn't have much of a chance given his point totals based completely on his own performance earlier in the year.

Not displaying joy is fine. I wouldn't expect him to look like a happy guy, but to act so unprofessionally like the way he did was unacceptable. Afterwards he said there was no order as well, contradicting what he first said essentially. You need to think for the team, Felipe. If you're going to defend the team afterwards (not much of a choice really), then don't lose yourself beforehand. Stay in check and just accept it since that's the only thing you can do.

If you're really upset by it, don't let it happen and defend your position within the team. If you're willing to do it, then don't say anything about it publicly, especially considering you agreed to let it happen. If you want to lose your seat at Ferrari and punish them for making the right decision for the team, go ahead and do that, but it won't lead to anything good for you, Ferrari, or F1.

It's a difficult position to be in but there is a right way and a wrong way to deal with it.
 
I don't compare the two manufacturers, I still don't see why Ferrari should be treated better than other car brands though. Especially not after how they acted in the past all the time.

Ferrari is a bit different than all the other car OEMs b/c they manufactured cars to support their racing efforts instead of their shareholders. That's how they started. Add in a charismatic owner [Enzo Ferrari], glamorous bodywork, and a few wins - they become a name to watch.

Back in the 50's, Ferrari was a newcomer. Old names like Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Bugatti were the cars to have back then. But those companies came & went, bought & sold, and of all the car companies that I can think of; Ferrari is the one that has maintained its roots and has the greatest pedigree. I'd listen to someone argue Porsche, but that conversation would probably be short.

Has Ferrari acted foolish? In the grand scheme of things...no...not even close. Bullheaded, yes...but not foolish.

F1 & all its asinine rules, that keep changing year to year, to save teams $$$ [which it doesn't] is a larger farce than telling Massa to pull over and let the Spaniard by.

Great fix for F1 & team orders; take their electricity away. No power in the pits, no radios, no power tools, no laptops, no compressed air, no battery powered anything except analog watches.

Have techs over the wall holding a pit sign, another tech with 6 stopwatches, crazy-ass hand signals, and no engineer-to-driver communication about fuel/race/pit strategy...the drivers will have to go balls-out the whole race b/c they won't know who is behind them or how fast they're going. No more telemetry readouts, adjusting the engine map w/a laptop while the car is racing, and just think about the pit stops when compressed air & electrical power is banned....awesome I tell you.

F1 can be kinda boring, so small controversies & drama like 'team orders' becomes the main attraction. Every story needs a villain doesn't it? If F1 was interesting lap in and lap out - no one would really give a **** if Massa let Alonso go by. So how can you make things interesting w/o weird rules? Turn the power off...easy huh?
 
Ferrari is already being treated differently... check every press release or Screenshot, there's only ever copyright info regarding Ferrari. Check the ending of the weather trailer for proof. Also check gallery on Official Gt aite at any screenshot depicting a Ferrari. Why must they be different, and singled out
 
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Ferrari is already being treated differently... check every press release or Screenshot, there's only ever copyright info regarding Ferrari. Check the ending of the weather trailer for proof. Also check gallery on Official Gt aite at any screenshot depicting a Ferrari. Why must they be different, and singled out

Maybe it's because of their agreement with PD?
 
i am not taking it personally at all, but this is probably the first forum i have heard of that has such rules.

You agreed to them when you signed up. You had to put a tick in a box to say you'd read the rules. They've also been separately pointed out to you by other members - yet you still ignore them...

To answer your question, yes, people have been banned for persistantly failing to abide by our rules - just look at the Banned User Log in the Site Feedback forum.
 
Maybe it's because of their agreement with PD?

Not disputing it's an agreement. But why only them must have that kind of agreement. 70 something other manufacturers in GT and only one, a late comer in fact have that agreement. It doesn't bother me, just curious as to why they find the need to
 
As much as I've loved Ferraris since my childhood, I already felt happy enough when I found out that the manufacturer has finally arrived to the GT series starting from GT5P. I'd love to see some of my favorites like the F50 GT, F50, and F40 GTE in GT5 but if they're not included, that's fine for me.
 
well u cant compare fords to ferrari. every single car that ferrari makes pretty much becomes a icon in the motoring world. the only way u can have enough ferrari is when u got em all.
Hardly. The only Ferraris that continue to be icons are the ones that are often referenced, rare, have a successful racing career, or went for $1 million+ on the auction.

There's a slew of 308s, 348s, F512M, 456, etc. that are rarely seen as iconic Ferrari.

Not disputing it's an agreement. But why only them must have that kind of agreement. 70 something other manufacturers in GT and only one, a late comer in fact have that agreement. It doesn't bother me, just curious as to why they find the need to
Any manufacturer can have that copyright information. Ferrari is just incredibly anal about anything related to their brand & that it belongs to Ferrari. Porsche, BMW, anyone if they wanted, could have a slew of text talking about how their designs, logos, etc. are all copyrighted.
 
i think its becuz most ppl thought the F50 was sort of ugly, and just not enough good enough to be a true successor to the almighty F40. i guess it never lived up to the hype and shadow that the F40 cast

Evo magazine did a comparison test for all four supercar Ferrari's, and found the F50 to be the best car there.

I'm sure the test is on the internet somewhere, I'll have a look later.

You're right about being in the shadow of the F40, but it seems the negative press around the launch of the F50 was more down to the fact Ferrari were very restrictive on how much and what type of driving journalists could do with the car. Only now when people drive the car do they see just how good it is.
 
There's lots of ferrari's that dont get a mention that would make awsome cars in GT.. IMO

Its all very nice having state of the art cars like the new GTO in.. but these cars are getting so driver friendly now .. theres not as much FEELING when driving them.

Alot of the older ferrari's that had no fancy traction control / electronics to help you would IMO provide for a much more involving drive, and are amongst some of the most beautifull cars ever designed.


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