FIA elections - Vatanen vs. Todt

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I voted for Todt because, honestly, i really don't think Vattenen's in it to really help the world of motorsport: He's in it to save his political career. The timing of his canidacy for FIA president is just too conspicuous for my tastes: Six months after he lost his Finnish Parliment seat he turns back to motorsport? It almost seems like he's trying to lick his political wounds and gain momentum for a possible run for Finland's Prime Minister in three or so years...

That was quite a proper failing of facts, sorry to say...

Finnish Parliament seat? He was in the European Parliament to begin with. "Turns back to motorsport"? He's been a politician for a bit over a decade now and a member of that European Parliament since 1999. During that time he's participated in four Dakar rallys (2003, 2004, 2005, 2007), Neste Oil Rally Finland (2003), Colin McRae Forest Stages Rally (2008) and held a position in Ireland's Donegal Motor Club since 2002. And I don't know which calendar you're using but the next parliament election will take place in early 2011 - we don't vote directly for the Prime Minister here.

I dunno, i just think that Todt's canidacy seems more genuine to me...

That genuineness is being the golden goose of Mosley who doesn't want to let the change happen. Seeing that Todt resigned from Ferrari earlier this year his hunger for money and visibility is just a bit too obvious compared to the candidacy being just willingness to help motorsport.
 
Id vote for Ari any day of the week hands down.
 
Sorry to revive an old thread but I don't think a new one is needed.

You guys have probably paid some attention to all the news surrounding this campaign, but today things got definitely uglier than they were already, with bribery accusations:

http://www.f1technical.net/news/13631

And, meanwhile, if you guys want to take a closer look at what's really at stake (money and power, I guess), you should check this:

http://www.fiafoundation.org/Documents/General/letter_from_robert_darbelnet_8_oct.pdf

http://www.fiafoundation.org/Documents/General/email_from_david_ward_8_oct.pdf

http://www.fiafoundation.org/Documents/General/email_from_david_ward_12_oct.pdf
 
uh oh.. :lol: heads will roll..
 
The way I see it, even Vatanen will be dirty in some way, all politicians are. But the idea is that we want a lesser evil, and a change in direction. Todt is seen as a continuation of Mosley, and its clear that direction is quickly becoming stale.

Although Vatanen will probably have some sticking points of his own, it will take quite a lot to make me want Todt in power more.
 
The way I see it, even Vatanen will be dirty in some way, all politicians are. But the idea is that we want a lesser evil, and a change in direction. Todt is seen as a continuation of Mosley, and its clear that direction is quickly becoming stale.

Although Vatanen will probably have some sticking points of his own, it will take quite a lot to make me want Todt in power more.

That's pretty much my exact view on the situation.
 
The FIA go to the polls today. I'm hoping for Vatanen, but banking on Todt.

For those of you playing at home, Eurosport are apparently going to broadcast an interiew with the new President of the FIA at 10.30pm local time on British Eurosport/Eurosport HD.
 
There was just too much money and power at stake for anyone to vote for change.
 
Have any of you actually looked at the policies both men were looking to introduce? Todt had a whole charter, looking to eparate the Presidency from the actual sport, with policies to reform the stewards, establish a disciplinary committee ad reform the Court of Appeal. He's got a very clear idea of what he wants and what he expects. His policies are sensible and well thought-out. As much as I would have liked him to win, Ari Vatanen was just shouting "CHANGE!" and had no substance - or at least not as much - compared to Todt. His policies were a case of "We'll sit down, and we'll talk. Then we'll take action based on what everyone thinks." Not the best way of doing things.

Management theory states there are two ways to introduce change. One is to do it gradually, introduce and impement new ideas in a constructed, logical order and does not do too much, too quickly. It allows the organisation to adapt and respond and assess those changes. It takes time, but it has a better chance of being accepted. This is the school of thought Todt is hailing from. It will take him time to make those changes, but there's less risk of everything collapsing the and FIA defaulting to its original state with the added problem that it will be less receptive to change. Personally, I think this is the wiser way forward.

The second theory is that you take everything and you change it all at once. This is what Vatanen was proposing. It's high risk, high reward: you an introduce changes quickly, but the problem is that you risk losing everything in one go. It works well in small businesses, but for an organisation as vast and complex as the FIA, the risks outweigh the gains. I think Vatanen could have made it stick, I honestly do. But I think he would just be creating problems - an with it, more work - for himself. He might have had a grasp of what the fans and the public wanted, but the FIA doesn't exist solely for the purposes of Formula One; if it did, Vatanen may have been a better way forward. But the FIA supports almost every international and national form of motorsport in some way, shape or form. Vatanen's proposals just weren't appropriate for the FIA as a whole, even if theymay have been suited to Formula One.

In the end, Jean Todt won because he had a better grasp on the big picture. But I think - and I admit I was wholly expecting this - that too many people are reading too much into Todt's association with and endorsement by Max Mosley.
 
Todt owes his victory to Max Mosley, and that will show.

However, Todt is at least as ruthless as Max, so I expect him to get rid of the "Mosley" burden pretty quick.

Problem is ... Todt will be worse than Max and Ballestre together. He will make less noise, he will be less spectacular. But the FIA will be Jean Todt and Jean Todt will be the FIA.
 
Comparing Vatenen to Todt, I see that Vatenen went into politics after retiring from racing full-time while Todt stayed active in racing behind the scenes. I see more qualifications since Todt was in motorsports more actively throughout his career.
 
Comparing Vatenen to Todt, I see that Vatenen went into politics after retiring from racing full-time while Todt stayed active in racing behind the scenes. I see more qualifications since Todt was in motorsports more actively throughout his career.
When he was a member of the EU cabinet, a lot of Vatanen's policies had to do with road safety, an agenda the FIA has been pushing in the world outside Formula One.
 
meh. Todt won. so much about new winds in FIA.
 
Comparing Vatenen to Todt, I see that Vatenen went into politics after retiring from racing full-time while Todt stayed active in racing behind the scenes. I see more qualifications since Todt was in motorsports more actively throughout his career.

Unfortunately, Todt had been active with a certain team and built a certain reputation. Not many people doubt he will have a negative effect on F1 in some way or another.
There's a reason why Vatanen was the "fan favourite".
 
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