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Edgy? I’m a complete dork, but I still think the post I quoted was hilarious.I can promise you you’re not as edgy as you think you are
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Edgy? I’m a complete dork, but I still think the post I quoted was hilarious.I can promise you you’re not as edgy as you think you are
GT6 came out 12 years ago. St Croix is like half the size of the nurburgring. To say PD can build that but can't update Apricot Hill is exactly why I didn't get a PS5Yeah, that kart's an exception to a lot of things, but at least you can't do an oil change on it these days...
The fact that such legacy tracks that have returned have been reworked is in part a clue as to why more haven't returned - and the city tracks especially. In essence, they were designed for six cars, not 20, and at 1080p. They all need redeveloping from scratch (occupying the track team's time), they need to be re-scaled, the pit lanes need to be resized to accommodate the larger grids (not that it's strictly needed with the teleportation going on), and they need real locations captured for use as background terrain:
If they're not good enough reasons for you, then there's little else to add to the conversation really. I too would rather have a good-enough Apricot Hill than a gap where it isn't, but that's not how PD do.
I don't understand what you're saying here. My argument is why waste time on a Panda when there's tracks that have seemingly taken 12 years to rebuild?Without a license as previously stated, you cannot simply scan at any time, but say you could, you still need to scan it and model it, then add it to the game with the right settings/physics for it, which guess what... it take human resources, time and budget as previously said.
for everyone’s sanity, please look up how licensing works. There’s a search function on this forum that will pull up discussions on it.Just about every PC game has modern GT3s and now even hypercars. To see PD focus on Unimogs and Pandas is the issue.
I just don’t think you get how Polyphony do in game assets. It’s pretty unique. The detail they go to is incredible and some would say completely unnecessary.GT6 came out 12 years ago. St Croix is like half the size of the nurburgring. To say PD can build that but can't update Apricot Hill is exactly why I didn't get a PS5
I don't understand what you're saying here. My argument is why waste time on a Panda when there's tracks that have seemingly taken 12 years to rebuild?
And what I'm saying about the Panda is this is the type of car that should be available at launch, not one that's added 3 years in. Just about every PC game has modern GT3s and now even hypercars. To see PD focus on Unimogs and Pandas is the issue.
Who said that they can't?To say PD can build that but can't update Apricot Hill is exactly why I didn't get a PS5.
Then I have a question: how is it possible that in WTC700 a behicle which entered after me in the pits with the same fuel remaining is in front of me after the pit due to its refuelling taking less time? I didn't record the replay at the time because I thought it was simply due to different sizes of the tank, but if they are all the same...It's fuel consumption that matters. Fuel capacity of all cars in GT (except electrics) is 100 litres. The reason why race engine swaps are useful isn't fuel tank capacity but consumption on-track; they're designed for track work cycles, whereas road car engines are not.
In principle, for the reasons noted above, the road GT40 shouldn't be particularly different from the race one we don't have in that regard. I haven't tested it, so can't say for sure.
Taking on less fuel (the AI no longer fill up to maximum every time), not taking tyres, hitting pit entry far faster than you, the indeterminate fudge factor applied which varies pit lane time by a couple of tenths... you name it. Not including inattentiveness, as I assume you aren't, but we have had a lot of people insisting AI cars are somehow 30 seconds faster through the pits than them due to not really paying attention to what's actually happening.Then I have a question: how is it possible that in WTC700 a behicle which entered after me in the pits with the same fuel remaining is in front of me after the pit due to its refuelling taking less time? I didn't record the replay at the time because I thought it was simply due to different sizes of the tank, but if they are all the same...
Yes, my previous post was incomplete. I didn't consider tyres because what I remember seeing was that their liter counter started going up after mine started, was below mine and reached 100 earlier. I think (not sure) that my car was the MkIV Ford GT while the other was a Gr 4 from WTC700 at Le Mans.Taking on less fuel (the AI no longer fill up to maximum every time), not taking tyres, hitting pit entry far faster than you, the indeterminate fudge factor applied which varies pit lane time by a couple of tenths... you name it. Not including inattentiveness, as I assume you aren't, but we have had a lot of people insisting AI cars are somehow 30 seconds faster through the pits than them due to not really paying attention to what's actually happening.
You can demonstrate the fuel tank of any vehicle to yourself. Create any kind of custom race with maximum fuel consumption multiplier (50x) and a 1l/sec pit stop refuelling time. It takes little time to drain the tank and from the moment refuelling starts until the tank is full will be 100 seconds (give or take your accuracy in timing it), for the 100-litre tank.
Except the electric vehicles and the kart.
Well it's not in Gt7...Who said that they can't?
Do you realize you're not actually saying anything? "go look up how licensing works". No I'll look at the games with newer cars and play those games. I don't need to "educate" myself on why PD can't keep up with any other racing games. And again, what do I owe my credentials to some bitter GT player?for everyone’s sanity, please look up how licensing works. There’s a search function on this forum that will pull up discussions on it.
But you know if you had the “credentials” you should know how it works by now.
What this sounds like is PD backed itself into a graphical hole it can't get out of. 9 months to scan ONE car seems horribly inefficient. Again iRacing had the BMW GTP scanned and in-game before it ran a real race. Once the allure of graphics wears off there's not much for GT to stand on compared to other racing games.I just don’t think you get how Polyphony do in game assets. It’s pretty unique. The detail they go to is incredible and some would say completely unnecessary.
They would need a mint Panda, which would’ve taken a while to source and then arrange a time to lidar scan it from all angles (though I’ve seen some cars are no longer being scanned from below). PD have told us the build takes 9 months per car. For one person that’s 400 years of work for the cars we have in GT7 at the moment.
Also the guys building environments aren’t the same people building cars. And the people builder cars are split into sub teams; sound, performance, visual.
Then there’s the legal team who want to make sure that their cars are represent favourably in the game.
That doesn't mean that PD can't do it, as you seem to think. It only means that PD hasn't done it.Well it's not in Gt7...
PD has done that several times over the years - including the GR Yaris most recently, which was available in GT Sport before even journalists had driven one.Again iRacing had the BMW GTP scanned and in-game before it ran a real race.
The fact that PD hasn't done it is 100% the problem, and that's the exact sentiment that sent me to PC. I'm not going to keep buying consoles hoping to get content back that PD chose to remove.That doesn't mean that PD can't do it, as you seem to think. It only means that PD hasn't done it.
Two posts ago the problem was that PD can't do it:The fact that PD hasn't done it is 100% the problem
I don't think that, with the knowledge provided in the links and quotes I gave you, it's that hard to see why PD hasn't brought back all these older tracks, or why the ones that have come back have seen some changes, and why there have instead been new fictional courses since GT Sport.To say PD can build that but can't update Apricot Hill is exactly why I didn't get a PS5.
PD chose to remove or the licensing agreement expired so that HAD to remove it.The fact that PD hasn't done it is 100% the problem, and that's the exact sentiment that sent me to PC. I'm not going to keep buying consoles hoping to get content back that PD chose to remove.
PD can add the tracks that I mentioned back, but as it stands today they haven't. And in order to find out why I have to comb through forums. Just about every other title out there regularly releases dev updates to give a snapshot of what's coming, and would certainly explain why something is being removed. Transparency goes a long way.
With GT I'm kept in the dark, and then have the expectation that I'm supposed to be exited about a Panda because someone put a lot of man hours in to it.
At the end of the day we're all seemingly happy with our decisions. Like I said ultimately I want to see this game get better, but the people that play it regularly seem to be happy with it so enjoy it
I’ve said plenty, it’s not my fault you’re struggling to grasp conceptsDo you realize you're not actually saying anything?
Ok but that’s just throwing a tantrum because you said something incorrect"go look up how licensing works". No I'll look at the games with newer cars and play those games.
Then don’t make vague statements like you have such as “the car exists, just go scan it” because that clearly means you don’t know what you’re talking aboutI don't need to "educate" myself on why PD can't keep up with any other racing games.
Didnt say you had to, it’s clear that your credibility isn’t good enough with how wrong you are.And again, what do I owe my credentials to some bitter GT player?
Do you know when iRacing got the license and information for it? Because as per your style you’re making statements with no evidence to back it up. Which is actually the issue with you as a poster.What this sounds like is PD backed itself into a graphical hole it can't get out of. 9 months to scan ONE car seems horribly inefficient. Again iRacing had the BMW GTP scanned and in-game before it ran a real race.
You’ve forgotten ease of access to people to play a racing game on consolesOnce the allure of graphics wears off there's not much for GT to stand on compared to other racing games.
I said they can't do it, because they haven't done it. You're saying they can do it, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that they haven't done it.Two posts ago the problem was that PD can't do it
We’re not defending it. We just understand (various and multiple reasons) why x y z isn’t in the gameI said they can't do it, because they haven't done it. You're saying they can do it, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that they haven't done it.
Like I said before, we're defending content not being in the game. I don't get it, but to each their own.
The price of Playstation plus has doubled in the 3 years I've been on iRacing.PD chose to remove or the licensing agreement expired so that HAD to remove it.
Enjoy iRacing... I think the fee is too high for the quality of the game. I'm excited for the Panda and the nostalgia it will bring me.
Not in my country - it had a price rise once in what 5 years by 20%. Certainly not 200% in the last 3 yearsThe price of Playstation plus has doubled in the 3 years I've been on iRacing.
They're entirely different things. One is a capability and not in someone's control and the other is a desire.I said they can't do it, because they haven't done it.
No, I'm not. I asked you "who said they can't" when you claimed that this was said.You're saying they can do it
You might be, but I'm not. I'm explaining why, giving evidence and reasons, and correcting misconceptions - which you're promulgating.Like I said before, we're defending content not being in the game.
I literally said why focus on a Panda when there's original tracks to be added back. Who's thowing the tantrum here? I don't own this game and have made it very clear why. But suddenly I don't have credibility to talk about a racing gameI’ve said plenty, it’s not my fault you’re struggling to grasp concepts
Ok but that’s just throwing a tantrum because you said something incorrect
Then don’t make vague statements like you have such as “the car exists, just go scan it” because that clearly means you don’t know what you’re talking about
Didnt say you had to, it’s clear that your credibility isn’t good enough with how wrong you are.
I don’t just play GT, I play Forza, AC and their variants, as well as iRacing
Do you know when iRacing got the license and information for it? Because as per your style you’re making statements with no evidence to back it up. Which is actually the issue with you as a poster.
You’ve forgotten ease of access to people to play a racing game on consoles
You literally are because a picture from PD studios that show a Fiat panda got scanned, no other indication of any other car or a track shown which you then suggested they can'tI literally said why focus on a Panda when there's original tracks to be added back. Who's thowing the tantrum here?
Go figure with your attitude(over 100 posts in GT7 threads without owning the game! what a joke!)I don't own this game
Which is also an odd reason even pointed out by othersand have made it very clear why.
Yeah because you still don't want to understand how cars and tracks are added to a game despite 3 people telling you, you ignoring it and then saying you're too lazy to use a search functionBut suddenly I don't have credibility to talk about a racing game.
yeah pointing out you're wrong when you're vague on purpose while trying to make yourself seem better than others is a weird takeThis community in a nutshell.
If you don't own this game, why TF are you here? Go enjoy your other games that are "so much better" and stop trying to ruin other people's experiences with your own issues. Seriously, grow up.The fact that "I don't own this game and have made it very clear why" needs two quote responses speaks for itself.
I'm advocating for GT to be a better game. Nowhere did I say that anything was better, you made that up. Who needs to grow up here.If you don't own this game, why TF are you here? Go enjoy your other games that are "so much better" and stop trying to ruin other people's experiences with your own issues. Seriously, grow up.
Clearly nobody is allowed to say this game should be better. Yall get too triggered.At the end of the day we're all seemingly happy with our decisions. Like I said ultimately I want to see this game get better, but the people that play it regularly seem to be happy with it so enjoy it
This is your 12th post in a thread about a FIAT Panda being spotted in modelling software, comprising 10% of the entire thread.Yall get too triggered.