Originally posted by kideng
Again, we have to take into account the skill of the beginning player. Can they win the Clubman in a Trueno without upgrades? On the same token, a Trueno can be won with a Miata, with more ease. The question is, is that difference in difficulty worth the $3350 (For the beginner, approximately 3 and a half wins at the Sunday Cup, say... 9 laps around the Super Speedway?). The world may never know.
It would be very hard to win Clubman with the Trueno with no modifications, but it wouldn't be any easier with the Miata. My point is that it would be easier to use the Trueno because then you could afford a racing chip and oil change right off. You could even get a sports muffler, taking the Trueno up to 141hp, and you'd
still have more money left over than if you'd bought the the Miata and changed its oil to give it 132hp. The Miata is also heavier.
Is the economics of the game such a difficult concept that you have to continue trying to argue a point that doesn't exist? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend you're not just being a jerk. Maybe you just need me to spell out an example.
So...
Let's say you're new at the game and you want a Miata. First, we'll try starting off with the Trueno and winning the Miata.
Day 1:
18,000cr. Buy the Toyota Trueno and you're down to 4,450cr. It's got 123hp without changing the oil. Enter Sunday Cup at Super Speedway. The best car in Sunday Cup is the Civic SiR-II. You can win easily. You get 1,000cr and are up to 5,450cr.
Day 2:
Enter Sunday Cup at Mid-Field Raceway. Also easy. You get 1,000cr and are up to 6,450cr.
Day 3:
Enter Sunday Cup at Trial Mountain. This race is ridiculouly easy, because the AI slows way down for the rocks and the Trueno dominates the stretches with its top speed. Now you're up to 7,450cr and you win a broken-in Trueno.
Day 4:
Sell your 123hp Trueno for 3,387cr. Now you've got 10,837cr. Get in your broken-in Trueno and change the oil, taking it up to 133hp. You can get a Sports Muffler and Racing Chip, taking it up to 145hp, and still have 8,087cr left.
Enter Clubman at Rome. The Toyota MR-S is the only thing that shows up in Clubman that will be anywhere close to you, and sometimes it's not in the race. It's an easy race with 145hp. Now you have 9,087cr.
Day 5:
Enter Clubman at SS Rt. 5. Now you have 10,087cr.
Day 6:
Enter Clubman at Deep Forest. The MR-S speeds up a little here, but if you don't want a challenge, bumping him at the end of a straightaway will take him out completely. Now you have 11,087cr. Sell your Trueno for 3,387cr and you've got 14,474cr.
So, 6 days and you've got a broken-in Miata with 130hp and enough money to upgrade it. You can afford an oil change, a Stage 2 Turbo, and a lightweight fly wheel (with 824cr left). With 296hp, you could go to the Beginner GT World Championship at Super Speedway, make 10k for 4 laps and get some tires.
See? If you buy the Trueno, you don't have to repeat races just for money.
Now, let's see how it goes if you just buy the Miata first.
Day 1:
18,000cr. Buy the Miata. You've got 1,100cr left. You could get a racing chip if you didn't change your oil. You can win the Sunday Cup and get 3,000cr and a Tureno, which you sell for 3,387cr.
Day 4:
7,487cr. Let's try to do Clubman since it's the next easiest race. We could do it in the Trueno with 145hp, but the Miata is heavier, so we need 154hp to have the same power/weight. With an oil change, racing muffler and racing chip, the Miata has 151hp, which is probably good enough. Now we've got 1,737cr left. After finishing Clubman we've got 4,737cr and another Miata we can sell for 4,225, so that's 8,962cr.
Now do you understand what I'm saying? Even if you have to upgrade the Trueno just so you can win the Miata, you're still coming out ahead if you win the Miata instead of paying for it.
Originally posted by kideng
A few people here disagrees. If you want, start a post asking which test is more difficult. Mind you, the B-8 gold time for PAL is 200ms faster than NTSCs. I'm betting that you're from the US though.
As a matter of fact, yes, I'm from the US and I only got 42.871 on B-8. A-7 is a bit of a pain, but it's a 14-second test. I had no idea anybody actually thought it was abnormally hard. I probably did the same number of attempts on B-8 and A-7, but that means spending three times as long on B-8.
Originally posted by kideng
It's so people with the skills to gold their licenses can vote too. Sorry you're so easily confused...
I'm sorry I'm too stupid to figure out your poll.
What I meant is that the last option makes the poll results less valid. Instead of getting input about what people think is the best car under 18,000, you screwed that up by making a much more obvious answer. You see, the Viper Concept is probably a better car than anything you can get for 18,000cr.
Or you could do what a SMART person does. Buy a Miata, a Truebo, or a Vitz. Upgrade it as much as possible with the $ left over. Race the Sunday cup about 3 or 4 times. Now you upgrade your car further. Now you can beat these other cups and be able to keep your Trueno and Miata Prize cars.
I understand your points, I'm just not agreeing with them. And since you refuse to acknowledge my points, I think the whole purpose of this debate has gone out the window. If you want to put in some last words about quitting while ahead and all that good stuff, be my guest.
