FITT-Hot Hatch Tuning Challenge - Final Results are in!

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New Zealand
New Zealand
T4MAK1NGHINI
I think I'll enter this time as a test driver as I'm clueless when it comes to tuning FF or driving one. I might actually find a tune, or two, that'll make me want to drive FF more. I don't own a single FF car in my garage so this might be an eye opener.
 
96
United States
United States
backslashnfourth
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Hot Hatch Series Entry

Volkswagen Golf V GTI '05
470 pp
285 hp @ 5,800 rpm
269.3 ft-lb @ 5,200 rpm
1,110 kg
3.89 kg/hp
Weight Distribution: 58 : 42
Oil Change: NO
Improve Body Rigidity: NO
Wheels: +1 inch up
Tires: Sports Hard

Parts & Power
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes
Fully Customizable Transmission
Fully Customizable LSD
Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
Engine Tuning: Stage 2
Racing Exhaust
Catalytic Converter: Sports
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Power Limiter: 93.7%

Body
Weight Reduction: Stage 3
Carbon Hood
Window Weight Reduction
Ballast Weight: 17 kg
Ballast Position: +50%

Suspension (Front/Rear)
Ride Height: 120/100
Spring Rate: 4.90/4.60
Dampers (Compression): 2/5
Dampers (Extension): 7/6
Anti-Roll Bars: 2/7
Camber Angle: 0.0/0.0
Toe Angle: +0.04/-0.30
Brake Balance: 6/7

Transmission
Reset to Default
set Final Gear to 4.000
Top Speed to 112 mph
1st Gear: 3.686
2nd Gear: 2.820
3rd Gear: 2.255
4th Gear: 1.880
5th Gear: 1.615
6th Gear: 1.414
set Final Gear to 2.600

LSD
Initial Torque: 10
Acceleration Sensitivity: 18
Braking Sensitivity : 5

@Bowtie-muscle @biffa3 EDIT: I overlooked that I had in fact installed 1 inch up wheels so I changed that and then the transmission values as well to match up.
 
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1,337
England
England
woodski427
I think I'll enter this time as a test driver as I'm clueless when it comes to tuning FF or driving one. I might actually find a tune, or two, that'll make me want to drive FF more. I don't own a single FF car in my garage so this might be an eye opener.

Might be wise to get some practice, less you be cursing the understeer :lol:.

Seriously though there are some really good cars, and a lot of fun cars with FF. They start to get tricky around 500pp IMO.

I'm sure there will be something to convert you here. 👍
 
3,998
United States
New Jersey
crash27wwjd
I think I'll enter this time as a test driver as I'm clueless when it comes to tuning FF or driving one. I might actually find a tune, or two, that'll make me want to drive FF more. I don't own a single FF car in my garage so this might be an eye opener.

:tup:Testers are always welcomed, since you don't care for FF, atleast testing should be consistent. Spec and Hot Hatch should be an eye opener, Pro-Spec would throw downforce into the mix. Feel free to do any or as many as you would like:)
 
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5,489
United States
mid west USA
Otaliema
Well I'm ahead of schedule a tad today. Starting a room online again, FITT git hatch challenge in share tips category so week be easy to find, raj week be brands hatch gp pp limit 515 RH tires.

Edit room closed off to get garden work done
 
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5,489
United States
mid west USA
Otaliema
Got the garden work done as I could so finished the tunes I think.
Scirocco R '10 FITT tune This tune is set up to brake early and drive it hard through the corners you can stand on the gas, get the entry right and you sail. TLOR is built into the tune so if you find your self drifting out to much let off the gas to rotate the front around just be ready to get back on fast to stop the rotation.

Scirocco GT24 Base Model '08 FITT Tune This is my first go at a minimum required down force on a Race car, so if it seems a bit lose go faster :lol:
This one likes to spin the tires the gearing is set up to reduce the spin, shift point in second is best judged on speed and not rpm, other wise 7k shift point is the best option. Brake mid late and power the corners. TLOR is not as noticeable in this set up but still usable if you need a tad bit more rotation.
 
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DigitalBaka

How hard can it be?
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3,131
United States
IL, USA
DigitalBaka
DigitalBaka587
I haven't been able to get laps in since early this week. :( I'm trying to make it work but now I'm waffling on car choice. :dunce: Someone make up my mind! :lol:
 
864
United States
NorCal
oppositelock27
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HOT HATCH SERIES


Renault Sport Clio R.S. '11 - 36,400

Tires: Sports Hard - 6,700
Height-Adjustable, Fully Customizable Suspension - 18,500
Racing Brakes - 8,500
Fully Customizable Dog-Clutch Transmission - 19,000
Triple-Plate Clutch Kit - 6,400
Fully Customizable Mechanical Limited Slip Differential - 7,250
Engine: Stage 2 - 19,000
Sports Computer - 1,750
Intake Tuning - 4,600
Racing Exhaust - 9,750
Isometric Exhaust Manifold - 3,200
Catalytic Converter: Sports - 1,500
Weight Reduction: Stage 2 - 14,700

Total Investment - 157,250


PP: 470
305 HP @ 7900 RPM
216 LB-FT @ 6400 RPM
1103 KG
3.61 KG/HP
Weight Distribution: 53/47


Quick Tune Settings (v4.2):

Suspension Level: 1
Corner Entry Balance: 2
Corner Exit Balance: 2
Base Camber Angle: 0.0
LSD Strength: 1
Spread: 67.8%
Scale: 100.0%


Power Limiter: 100.0%
Ballast: None


Ride Height: 99 / 85
Spring Rate: 4.15 / 4.98
Dampers (Compression): 5 / 5
Dampers (Extension): 5 / 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 2 / 2
Camber Angle: 0.0 / 0.0
Toe Angle: -0.15 / -0.12
Brake Balance: 3 / 7


Transmission Instructions:

Set Final Gear to 5.433
Set Max Speed to 143 MPH (230 KPH)

1st Gear: 2.466
2nd Gear: 1.783
3rd Gear: 1.413
4th Gear: 1.170
5th Gear: 1.000
6th Gear: 0.877
Final Gear: 5.100


Initial Torque: - / 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: - / 15
Braking Sensitivity: - / 6


ABS 1, all other aids off.


Okay, I have to admit tuning and driving FFs is not my strong suit. I had a hell of a time breaking out of the 1:39 range, finally pulling off a 1:38.63. I'm hoping one of you GT cyborgs can do better. :ouch:
 
5,489
United States
mid west USA
Otaliema
What if they are both slow? :D

I think I am a better driver than a tuner...which is bad news for my tuning skills. :embarrassed:
Easy tune? Mini either year.
Fast any? VW. They where constantly the fastest in my testing but the hardest to tune. The mini was stable easy to tune and respectfully fast.
 

DigitalBaka

How hard can it be?
Premium
3,131
United States
IL, USA
DigitalBaka
DigitalBaka587
I went garage diving and found my baby again. :D I am turning 1'37-38s and I'm not even any good at the track. Might even be capable of low 36s in the right hands. This is so much better than the other cars I was trying to tune I had to go check that I had the right tires and aids turned off. :eek:


 
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GTP_Orido
SEAT Ibiza Cupra '04 FITT Hot Hatch Version 470PP
Special Build of Seat Ibiza Cupra '04 FITT Tuning Shootout
Sports Hard






CAR : Seat Ibiza Cupra '04
Tire : Sports Hard


Specs
Horsepower: 274 HP at 6500 RPM
Torque: 223.0 ft-lb at 6400 RPM
Power Limiter at : 99.5%
Weight: 992 kg
Ballast : 2 kg
Ballast Position : 50
Weight Distribution : 58 / 42
Performance Points: 470


GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( INSTALLED in this build )
Wheels : Standard Size - Classic Steel Smooth
Car Paint : Matte Pink



Tuning Parts Installed :
Sports Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Suspension Fully Customizable Kit
Adjustable LSD
Twin Plate Clutch Kit
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Racing Brakes Kit


Suspension
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 90 90
Spring Rate: 10.00 6.00
Dampers (Compression): 6 4
Dampers (Extension): 7 4
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 4
Camber Angle: 0.2 1.2
Toe Angle: -0.16 0.00


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final to 3.450
Set Auto Max Speed to 180kmh / 112mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.675
2nd 2.725
3rd 2.200
4th 1.835
5th 1.600
6th 1.400
Set Final Gear : 2.525


LSD - 1 Way
Initial Torque : 15
Acceleration Sensitivity: 30
Braking Sensitivity: 5




Brake Balance:
4/7 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 3/6, for ABS 1 4/7 or feel free to use your preferred brake balance.


Recommended setting for DS3 user :
Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 4/7 brake balance as starting point.




Notes :

I chose this Seat as it's rarely tuned and used :) It's in Pink with retro wheels so it will easily make other drivers distracted and the job of winning the race easier :lol:

I used different route for this build, the car was tuned at 450PP originally, for 470PP, I used lightweight approach, with less than 1000kg and maximizing HP within PP limit. I do not use ride height difference in this tune, and I focused on other parts of suspension to improve the car handling balance.

Suspension is stiff, as I felt the car has excessive body roll even with body rigidity improvement. The real Cupra often cited to have excessive body roll even with quite stiff KW V1 coilover kit. I settled for 10k/6k springs, damper and ARB has been tuned for responsive handling with good turn in under trail braking.
For LSD, I used 1 way, with medium preload and high locking rate to ensure maximum traction on low/medium speed exits.

Brake as minimum as possible on medium speed corners, the car can carry lots of speed through some of the corners, never afraid to go faster, just make sure to point at the right direction with good weight transfer :D For tight turns, the car can also brake very late, shift down quickly to help with turn in.

I tuned and tested at Tsukuba and Brands Hatch GP. The car is not very quick compared to my other Japanese FF cars, a 450PP J's Racing FIT Turbo RS can beat this 470PP Cupra in lap times at Tsukuba ( both on comfort soft ), and my TODA Racing Civic Type R 450PP eats both for breakfast with 1:04s lap on comfort soft.
The Ibiza Cupra can lap Brands Hatch GP on SH tires consistently in low/flat 1:39s. My best was 1:38s with 20.1s 1st sector, low/flat 35s 2nd sector and 1:14s last sector. If you have flat 20s 1st sector and 1:14s last sector, you are doing extremely good :D:tup:



 
11,660
GTP_Orido
Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 T Sport '09 FITT Hot Hatch version
Special Build of Alfa Romeo MiTO for FITT Tuning Shootout
Comfort Soft






CAR : Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 T Sport '09
Tire : Comfort Soft


Specs
Horsepower: 165 HP at 5100 RPM
Torque: 172.3 ft-lb at 5000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 90.0%
Weight: 1050 kg
Ballast : 77 kg
Ballast Position : -27
Weight Distribution : 63 / 37
Performance Points: 402


GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED in this build )
Wheels : +1 Inch Up RAYS TE37SL in Black
Car Paint : GT Old Generation 002 - W ( Seasonal Prize )



Tuning Parts Installed :
Engine Tuning Stage 1
Sports Exhaust
Intake Tuning
Suspension Fully Customizable Kit
Adjustable LSD
Six Speed Transmission
Weight Reduction Stage 3


Suspension - Autodelta Sportsline Corse Coilover Kit based from INTRAX HDA
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 85 85
Spring Rate: 13.25 6.13
Dampers (Compression): 6 7
Dampers (Extension): 6 7
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 3
Camber Angle: 0.2 0.6
Toe Angle: -0.07 0.00


LSD - 2 Way Autodelta Progressive LSD ( 30% max lock )
Initial Torque : 42
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20
Braking Sensitivity: 20




Brake Balance:
7/9 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 7/9, for ABS 1 7/9 or feel free to use your preferred brake balance.


Recommended setting for DS3 user :
Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 7/9 brake balance as starting point.




Notes :

This MiTo is build by adapting the parts used on Autodelta 147 GTA :) So, in a way it's an AutoDelta MitO.

Suspension uses coilover kit adapted from Autodelta 147 GTA Sportsline Corse Coilover Kit, it's stiff but very capable on twisty circuit. Damper and ARB is tuned for stability and nimble handing. No ride height difference in this build.

LSD also used Autodelta 147 GTA, with high preload and progressive low locking ratio for street tire.

I really like driving this car, with about 30 minutes tuning, I spent considerable more time just driving it at Autumn Ring, it's addicting :P

The car can easily do 1:34s lap, with my best at low/mid 1:33s and the car should be able to do 1:32s, 1st sector should be in 31s with a good run 👍

 
3,998
United States
New Jersey
crash27wwjd
Good morning! Currently just before 8:00am here on the east coast (EST), please have all tunes submitted today by midnight tonight. Basically any tune submitted by the time I check my computer 24hrs from now will be excepted, with the exception of @Motor City Hami who was given and extension.

@Chipmonk77 - @DigitalBaka - @donpost - @jules283 - @HTR Tuning - @Ronald6 - and myself, but I will post this afternoon.

@oppositelock and @DigitalBaka, welcome to the party:tup: Hot Hatch Series gonna be fun and crowded!:D:gtpflag:

@oppositelock Can you list Rim and size please? Also, power limiter and ballast not used?
 
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United States
United States
backslashnfourth
So I've loaded up on credits doing the red bull challenge and am getting the hot hatch tunes set up to do testing for that series too. I had trouble getting these cars rotating how I wanted while still maintaining grip and not having my transmission stuttering all the time. I'm hoping testing will help me figure some of that out. Maybe then I can fine tune my VW Golf to keep up with that Scirroco
 
3,998
United States
New Jersey
crash27wwjd
So I've loaded up on credits doing the red bull challenge and am getting the hot hatch tunes set up to do testing for that series too. I had trouble getting these cars rotating how I wanted while still maintaining grip and not having my transmission stuttering all the time. I'm hoping testing will help me figure some of that out. Maybe then I can fine tune my VW Golf to keep up with that Scirroco

So........I can list you as a tester?
 
3,998
United States
New Jersey
crash27wwjd
Pro-Spec: Scirocco GT24 Base Model '08
Laguna Blue Tintcoat
Rims Chaste White

419hp, 1150kg, 515pp, 49:51 wgt dist, Racing Hard tires, #27

Parts Installed:
Racing Exhaust
Sports Catalytic Converter
Intake Tuning
High RPM Turbo
NO OIL CHANGE

Suspension:
Ride Height 70 / 60
Spring Rate 10.00 / 15.25
Comp 3 / 4
Ext 4 / 5
ARB 4 / 4
Camber 0.0 /0.0
Toe 0.0 / 0.20
Brakes 4 / 6

Trans:
Set Final to 5.500
Set top Speed to 112

1st 2.700
2nd 1.940
3rd 1.500
4th 1.215
5th 1.030
6th 0.895
Final 3.700

LSD:
Initial 8
Accel 21
Decel 5

Ballast
30kg @ +50
Downforce (F)110 (R)105
Power Limiter 89.2%

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United Kingdom
England
htrap_5000
Good morning! Currently just before 8:00am here on the east coast (EST), please have all tunes submitted today by midnight tonight. Basically any tune submitted by the time I check my computer 24hrs from now will be excepted, with the exception of @Motor City Hami who was given and extension.

@Chipmonk77 - @DigitalBaka - @donpost - @jules283 - @HTR Tuning - @Ronald6 - and myself, but I will post this afternoon.

@oppositelock and @DigitalBaka, welcome to the party:tup: Hot Hatch Series gonna be fun and crowded!:D:gtpflag:

@oppositelock Can you list Rim and size please? Also, power limiter and ballast not used?
I going to have to withdraw from the series due to unforeseen circumstances, I am very sorry, but I hope to be participating next round.
 
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United Kingdom
UK
jules283
Hi guys. Here is my Spec class tune...

Alfa-Romeo 1.4T Sport

Spec:
402PP, 165BHP, 1050KG, 58/42 Weight dist.

Parts :
Comfort soft tyres, Full custom suspension, Six speed transmission, Full custom LSD, Stage 1 engine tune, Sports exhaust, Intake tuning, Weight reduction stage 3, Carbon bonnet, Window weight reduction, Wheels +1inch.

Settings.

Ride height: 100 / 100
Spring rate: 6.50 / 5.57
Comp : 4 / 4
Extend : 4 / 4
ARB : 4 / 4
Camber : 0 / 0
Toe : 0 / 0.15
Brakes : 6 / 10
LSD : 7 / 12 / 5

Transmission : Fit parts first.
Power limiter : 90.0%
Ballast : 92KG at +50


Pro-spec tune to follow.
 
3,998
United States
New Jersey
crash27wwjd
Ok, I'm building tunes for possible testing of the Hot Hatch series and here is what I'm finding:

@backnfourth noted your changes, thank you as trans wasn't working.
Since your building cars, are you finding the same issues?

@shaunm80 @brian wolf @Ridox2JZGTE can you check your trans settings as I cannot get them to work.
@xande1959 trans top speed 180kpm? Lowest setting as I have MPH.
@oppositelock cannot get 5th and 6th gear to match.

@HTR Tuning so sorry you won't be able to join us, next time I hope:(
 
11,660
GTP_Orido
Ok, I'm building tunes for possible testing of the Hot Hatch series and here is what I'm finding:
@backnfourth noted your changes, thank you as trans wasn't working.
@shaunm80 @brian wolf @Ridox2JZGTE can you check your trans settings as I cannot get them to work.
@xande1959 trans top speed 180kpm? Lowest setting as I have MPH.
@oppositelock cannot get 5th and 6th gear to match.

@HTR Tuning so sorry you won't be able to join us, next time I hope:(

For the Cupra ( Hot Hatch ), be sure to install all power upgrade parts first, choose stock transmission then full custom to reset it, then adjust final to 3.450, move top speed to left most ( minimum ), then adjust each gear ( 1st and 2nd gear should only need to move one value to the right ), then set the final to 2.525 :)

Let me know how it goes :cheers:
 
3,998
United States
New Jersey
crash27wwjd
For the Cupra ( Hot Hatch ), be sure to install all power upgrade parts first, choose stock transmission then full custom to reset it, then adjust final to 3.450, move top speed to left most ( minimum ), then adjust each gear ( 1st and 2nd gear should only need to move one value to the right ), then set the final to 2.525 :)

Let me know how it goes :cheers:
I'll retry later, daughter playing Mindcraft now:banghead:
 
11,660
GTP_Orido
I'll retry later, daughter playing Mindcraft now:banghead:

There's a Flash Sale only this weekend at PSN, Plants vs Zombies for only 99c and 29 more other games at 99c :) ( including super stardust HD, Red Factions, Back to the Future )

Be sure to paint the Cupra in Matte Pink :lol:
 
156
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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Car:
Alfa Romeo 1.4 MiTo T Sport

Wheel / Controller: Fanatec CSR
Power: 165hp
Weight: 1050kg
Performance Points: 400PP
Tires: Comfort Soft

Oil change: No
Rigidity Improvement: No
Wheel: Inch up: 1 Blitz BRW Profile 08
Aero kit: Type B
Flat Floor: N/A
Rear wings: Standard
Other: Standard

Suspension: (Height-Adjustable, Fully-Customisable Suspension)

Ride Height: 90 F / 75 R
Spring Rate: 5.80 F / 4.20 R
Dampers (Compression): 2 F / 2 R
Dampers (Extension): 4 F / 4 R
Anti-Roll Bars: 1 F / 7 R
Camber Angle (-): 0.0/0.0
Toe Angle: 0.00 F / -0.20 R

Brakes: Standard
Bias: 5/5

Transmission: 6 Speed

Limited Slip Differential: (Fully Customizable Mechanical Limited-Slip Differential)

Initial Torque: 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 15
Braking Sensitivity: 5
Clutch & Flywheel: Standard
Drive Shaft: Standard
Center Differential: N/A

Power

Power Limiter: 90.6%
Engine Tuning: Stage 3
Computer: Sports Computer
Exhaust: Standard
Exhaust Manifold: Standard
Catalytic Converter: Standard
Intake Tuning: Standard
Turbo Kit: Stage: Normal
Nitrous Oxide (N2O): Standard

Body

Weight Reduction: Stage 3
Hood: Carbon bonnet (body colour)
Windows: Window weight reduction
Ballast: 92kg
Ballast position: 50
 
1,337
United States
Wisconsin
DaBomm4
DaBomm16
For the Cupra ( Hot Hatch ), be sure to install all power upgrade parts first, choose stock transmission then full custom to reset it, then adjust final to 3.450, move top speed to left most ( minimum ), then adjust each gear ( 1st and 2nd gear should only need to move one value to the right ), then set the final to 2.525 :)

Let me know how it goes :cheers:
I am curious if you notice a difference by resetting the trans first instead of just adjusting the final gear and then top speed.